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U.S. Economy: No Repeat of 2008 Financial Crisis, But Still Vulnerable To Shock

Economic Anxiety

First Posted: 08/09/11 08:03 PM ET Updated: 10/09/11 06:12 AM ET

Even as the stock market has gyrated wildly in recent days, bringing inevitable comparisons to the financial crisis of 2008, economists say a repeat of that episode is unlikely: Bank balance sheets are much stronger this time, the upside of a recent reluctance to lend to all but the most credit-worthy borrowers.

But in some respects, the broader economy is more vulnerable to a shock now than it was during the financial crisis, economists add, citing the marked weakness in the United States and in Europe, where grave concerns about a debt crisis persist.

"The markets are nervous because the level of uncertainty has increased," said Francisco Torralba, an economist with Morningstar Investment Management. "We are facing certain risks that we have seldom seen before."

After a late rally, the Dow Jones industrial average closed Tuesday up 430 points, one day after plunging 634 points on fears of a new global recession.

The closing market surge on Tuesday came after the Federal Reserve said short-term interest rates would remain close to zero through mid-2013, while painting a dark portrait of the overall economy.

Though the Federal Reserve did not announce any new measures, economists looked for meaning in its statement, which said the Federal Open Market Committee "discussed the range of policy tools available to promote a stronger economic recovery" and "is prepared to employ these tools as appropriate."

"It appears they've set the stage for further action," said Thomas Simons, a money market economist with Jefferies & Co.

That action, some economists say, may involve pumping more money into the economy with another round of what economists call "quantitative easing," or injecting vast sums of money into the economy to stimulate growth.

But while that may ease some short-term market anxiety, other threats to the global economy loom in Europe, where authorities on Monday started buying Spanish and Italian bonds in an effort to rescue those countries from financial disaster.

"There's a great deal of fear that the European Central Bank doesn't have the firepower to stop this problem," said Constance Hunter, chief economist at Aladdin Capital Management.

The market volatility began late Friday when Standard & Poor's downgraded the federal debt, triggering the worst sell-off on Wall Street in more than two years. Many investors fretted that a double-dip recession was appearing likelier, and some wondered if the great plunges in the stock market might be laying the groundwork for a repeat of the financial crisis, particularly as major banks such as Bank of America and Citibank saw their values cut down sharply.

But many economists say a repeat of 2008 would be hard to imagine. While economic growth has slowed and unemployment remains high, banks are much healthier now and companies are flush with cash. And even if the economy declined, it would unravel much more slowly than it did three years ago because households and banks have borrowed less.

"The underlying fundamentals, while not great, are not at a level that would warrant a deep financial panic," said Raghuram G. Rajan, an economist at the University of Chicago.

Yet a high level of anxiety still permeates the American economy. And with governments around the world engaged in massive austerity measures, there is no clear spark to trigger a recovery, economists say.

"The government has basically run out of bullets in terms of stimulus," Rajan said.

Many economists still assume that a recovery is unfolding, though a disappointingly weak recovery, further restrained in coming months by nervous consumers holding tight to their ever-shrinking wallets.

"When the dust settles we're going to see an environment where consumers will continue to spend money -- but not a lot," Simons said. "The economy is going to grow, but it's going to grow slowly."

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Even as the stock market has gyrated wildly in recent days, bringing inevitable comparisons to the financial crisis of 2008, economists say a repeat of that episode is unlikely: Bank balance sheets ar...
Even as the stock market has gyrated wildly in recent days, bringing inevitable comparisons to the financial crisis of 2008, economists say a repeat of that episode is unlikely: Bank balance sheets ar...
 
 
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jflorish
12:53 AM on 08/11/2011
Vulnerable? Of course thats always possible. This is nothing like 2008.
12:15 AM on 08/11/2011
Where is all the money???
08:52 PM on 08/10/2011
Ain't globalization great. What we're seeing now is effects of global financial contageon. At least it's not passenger jets bearing Ebola virus, or the new HIV, not even West Nile virus. Economies develop in isolation and sometimes that works like quarantine if you let it.

What we are also seeing is the second half of the 2008 crash because we have not fixed the foundation. Bernanke tried to cure fundamental flaws with inflating the money supply lending cheap to big (including European) banks. See this from William K. Black about too-big-to-fail systematically dangerous institutions. The bail out only kept the snowball rolling.
http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/08/us-subsidies-to-systemically-dangerous.html#more
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Scott Zwartz
07:12 PM on 08/10/2011
The same people who said agreeing to spend trillions LESS in order to raise the Debt Limit now tell us that there will be no repeat of 2008. Have they no shame?
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
05:04 PM on 08/10/2011
No repeat of 2008? LOL LOL LOL

Who said that, Bernie Madoff?
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Scott Zwartz
07:24 PM on 08/10/2011
No, not Bernie. Timmy Geithner and Bernanke said everything is OK

Why aren't these two in prison? No one is THAT stupid.
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
10:11 PM on 08/10/2011
I couldn't agree more.
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Botany5000
02:23 PM on 08/10/2011
No repeat of 2008?
How can you tell?
01:59 PM on 08/10/2011
First of all this is not a repeat of 2008 but still is 2008 IE: it never ended and still hasn't ended. The civil unrest that will ensue because the government is not addressing the jobs issue will be quite interesting. The jobs issue is a direct result of the housing market/derivative scam. People want payback. I am sure they will get it one way or another. I mean look at London with the kids rioting because their parents cannot afford to buy them a play station etc.. It does come out in one way or another and it is all connected. Should be an interesting year.
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Scott Zwartz
07:22 PM on 08/10/2011
The violence needs to be laid at Obama's door. Things can be bad, very bad and no one turns to violence, e.g WW II. When people see that the way to a better life, however, is being blocked, they lose hope.

Obama promied HOPE. Obama promised a change. Sinstead Obama has sided with the KnowNothing tea baggers. look at his policies -- each step of the way Obama was betrayed the average person while giving Trillions of dollars to the banks, who then buy T-Bills and pocket the interest.

Obama also allows the banks to engage in more and more corrupt businesses practices so that food prices rise and almost the entire middle east breaks out in food riots. Obama also gave Wall Street the green light to speculate in oil, thereby driving up the cost of gasoline for Main Street.

Obama threw Medicare under the bus, right after NY 26th Congressional huge victory.

Then he turned on social security and by legitimizing all the tea baggers insane polices, he pulled the rug out from beneath the recalls in Wisconsin.

With more theft by the oligarchs and Obama's betrayal, the more unstable will take the the streets in wanton violence. (Yesterday, Bernanke promised the banks two more years of free money, while children go to bed hungry in every US city.)
09:00 PM on 08/10/2011
No way would the Tea Party ever claim Obama. I don't know who you are going to give him to.

You know how unsophisticated borrowers believed unscrupulous mortgage originators when they said the value of the house would go up? How they believed bank underwriting told them they could afford the house? How old ladies thought they were getting a reverse mortgage, not an exploding subprime?
That's how a lot of people must feel about buying Obama. He's too expensive, and the value has not gone up.
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11:51 AM on 08/10/2011
I love how the "crisis" of 2008 has become a benchmark for so many pundits. The violence and social unrest hasn't even BEGUN in the United States, and yet authors like this one treat the well-deserved crash of a couple of years ago as some kind of nightmare scenario. LOL...believe me, within a few years, if not sooner, the dozing American public will be on its knees begging for a return to the good ol' days of 2008. The overwhelming majority of the American people are breathtakingly delusional...unreal....
02:01 PM on 08/10/2011
Ditto!
11:39 AM on 08/10/2011
yea sure. Just like our economy was bouncing back and we were going to be stronger then ever. I say this is going to be worse then 2008 just because they are saying it wont be! i dont trust no of these guys for nothing. they all lie and are corrupt and dont care for the average person.
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11:12 AM on 08/10/2011
America Prepare: Coming to A Neighborhood Near You.

British Riots: Elites "Shocked" The Poor Are Rising Up Against Brutal Austerity Measures
Angry young people with nothing to do and little to lose are turning on their own communities, and they cannot be stopped, and they know it.
09:06 PM on 08/10/2011
Good grief. You sound like Glenn Beck before he moved his family out of New York. (Wonder if that's the reason he moved his family out of New York.)
11:10 AM on 08/10/2011
MR. SMITH, you better wake up and stop being a polly parrott, this is going to be so much worst that 2008 its going to make your head swim... Or you might be one of those that thinks he can fly and jump out a window.
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11:08 AM on 08/10/2011
Anyone who doesn't realize that this isn't an efficient market correction, but a series of very profitable swing trades by behind the scenes power brokers, killing the average 401K and retirment option for millions while transfering more wealth to a few, who will move this money out of the country as quickly as they make it. But let's keep fighting for less regualtion and less taxes for these folks, so they can do this more and more frequently.
09:27 PM on 08/10/2011
You know somebody very rich got even richer betting against, hedging, with the S&P downgrade. Could be anybody rich enough to bet huge. The person with the acknowledged history of huge hedging affecting multiple countries' economies is George Soros who earned the "man who broke the Bank of England" title. He proved moving markets massively can be done.
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Reno Fickler
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10:55 AM on 08/10/2011
I see no problems for a market that varies hundreds of points in ONE day. Up 200, down 150, all in a couple of hours. Why would there be a 'repeat'' of '08, couldn't it get worse?
Hell, the market went down 40 in the time it took to write this.
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ta8ersalid
The End of the GOP Starts in Nov. 2012
10:53 AM on 08/10/2011
U.S. Economy: No Repeat of 2008

Dont believe it, it will be worse.
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11:10 AM on 08/10/2011
The U.S can't be bankrupt, you Tea Party folks are kind of dumb. The government issues all the world funds and all their current debts are paid in USD, which they are the sole arbiter of how much USD they can issue. That makes it impossible for the government to be bankrupt. Future borrowing of course would be effected by this occurring, and it would also tamp down current wealth if they made the decision to blow up the currency, but it's absolute foolish to claim they are bankrupt, since it's just not reality.
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GuyCybershy
12:40 PM on 08/10/2011
Ron Paul on CNBC: I worry most about consequences of Currency Destruction - August 10, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhEbA70zGak&feature=youtu.be