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Ten Commandments Fight Goes Another Round In Florida

Ten Commandments Florida Courthouse

BRENT KALLESTAD   08/10/11 08:33 PM ET   AP

CROSS CITY, Fla. — The folks who live in this sparsely populated rural region along Florida's upper west coast don't like outsiders butting in, especially when it comes to their religious beliefs.

They're miffed, to put it politely, and appealing a federal judge's order to remove a five-foot high granite monument that prominently displays the Ten Commandments in front of the Dixie County courthouse by Sunday.

It's the latest skirmish in a years-long conflict across the United States between state and local officials who have wanted to honor the laws that help define their faith and those who argue such displays should stay out of any public forum under a constitution that bars the establishment of religion.

It has been almost eight years since former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore was removed from office and gained nationwide notoriety for refusing to move another huge granite monument to the commandments from the court's lobby. But similar disputes continue to trickle through the courts in towns and counties nationwide.

Dixie County officials and residents say support for their monument is unanimous and they accuse outsiders of trampling on their way of life.

"We have not had one negative comment from the community," said county manager Mike Cassidy, a 48-year-old, fourth-generation Floridian who grew up in Cross City. "No one in this county has come forward and said, `this should be removed.' It has been totally unanimous."

The six-ton, $20,000 monument still sits on the courthouse steps. Beneath the commandments, the monument reads in large capital letters, "LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS."

Residents here have long had a reputation for their independence and don't take kindly to outsider interference, even if it's a constitutional issue.

"There will be people standing around it to protect it when they come to remove it," said Donald Eady, a 38-year-old mobile mechanic who lives in neighboring Old Town, a short jaunt south down four-lane U.S. Highway 19. "The people here enjoy it. We should have that freedom, but they're taking our freedom away daily."

U.S. District Judge Maurice Paul ruled on July 15 in favor of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, which sued Dixie County to remove the monument from the front of the courthouse building in Cross City. The monument was bought by a local businessman, who pays for its maintenance as well.

The Florida ACLU argued that an official government display of a religious monument violates a clause in the First Amendment that prohibits the government from promoting religious messages. The county argued that a private citizen owns the monument.

"The actual ownership of the monument, the location and permanent nature of the display make it clear to all reasonable observers that Dixie County chooses to be associated with the message being conveyed," Paul said in his ruling.

Attorneys for Dixie County filed notice July 26 at the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta to defend the county's policy allowing private displays of law and history. The status of that appeal is pending.

Disputes in Kentucky, Virginia, Utah, New Mexico and other states have continued to bounce through lower courts since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in 2005 that displaying the Ten Commandments could be constitutional if its main purpose is to honor the nation's legal traditions, rather than religious traditions.

Some governments have tried to follow that ruling by displaying the commandments with other legal documents, like the Magna Carta and Hammurabi's Code. But conflicting opinions have since been issued in appeals courts.

The U.S. Supreme Court declined to take up the issue again in February when it refused to consider a dispute about displays banned from two Kentucky courthouses.

The Dixie County monuments were paid for by Joe Anderson Jr., the president of Lake City-based Anderson Columbia, which has grown over its 53-year history into one of the largest highway construction and paving firms in the Southeast. He is listed on the back as its owner. He has also paid for three identical monuments in neighboring counties.

Attempts to reach Anderson were referred to Liberty Counsel attorney Mathew Staver, who represents Dixie County in the appeal. Anderson has agreed to remove the monument if a stay is not received by Sunday's deadline, Staver said Wednesday.

"There's nobody in that county who wants that monument moved," Staver said.

The suit was filed anonymously by an out-of-state individual, Staver said. The plaintiff's name has been kept private by court order.

"The plaintiff came into the town, left the town, never intended to live or come back," Staver said. "This is a person that doesn't even live in the state of Florida and has no intention of moving."

Derek Newton, spokesman for the Florida ACLU, disputes Staver's claim that the plaintiff is from out-of-state. He said the plaintiff splits time between homes in Florida and North Carolina and has belonged to the ACLU since 1989.

"The plaintiff is the ACLU," Newton said. "The person who we took to the court as a member of the ACLU was a resident of an adjoining county, who was seeking to buy property in Dixie County. They went to the courthouse to pull public records and decided not to buy property in Dixie County in part because of the offensive monument in front of the courthouse."

Howard Simon, executive director of the ACLU's Florida operation, said the community can relocate the monument at a church or other house of worship.

There is little public disagreement about the religious sentiments in the county where there is 12 percent unemployment in an economy largely dependent on the timber industry.

Driving into Cross City on Highway 19 from the north one is greeted by a sign in front of the First Baptist Church which reads: "Listen to God's Word And Do As He Says."

"A bunch of people that ain't got no damn sense want to tear down the good Lord," said Jeannie Hoffman from neighboring Tennille. "They took prayer out of schools, they took paddlings out of schools, they took all your rights away right there."

Although most are still registered as Democrats, Dixie County votes increasingly Republican. U.S. Sen. John McCain and former President George W. Bush both fared well with Dixie County voters, who have all Republicans representing them in the Florida Legislature.

Although one of the poorest areas of Florida with the timber industry about the only thing left after a government net ban shut down the fishing business some 20 years ago, Dixie County has historically boasted some of the better schools in Florida based on a statewide grading system.

Incorporated in 1924, Cross City is the largest community in Dixie County with roughly 1,700 residents. The second largest is Horseshoe Beach with about 200 folks. The remaining 15,000 or so residents are scattered throughout the heavily wooded county.

Remote and spread out, but still tight-knit.

"We support what we feel is right four our citizens," said Cassidy, who like most of the government leaders and local law enforcement, grew up in the community.

And to them that means keeping the Ten Commandments monument right where it is.

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CROSS CITY, Fla. — The folks who live in this sparsely populated rural region along Florida's upper west coast don't like outsiders butting in, especially when it comes to their religious belief...
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NewDem08
Pay attention, there's a test later
12:06 PM on 10/02/2011
What if this typo had not been caught? (Read #4)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/30/arts/design/manifold-greatness-and-king-james-bible-at-folger-review.html?_r=1&emc=eta1

The world would be a much different place for people who live their life by "the book."
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mrkurtzhedead
I'll be back, when it's dark!
03:54 AM on 08/30/2011
Go ahead and post them, but on one condition: post the proscribed punishments for breaking each commandment along side and let's see how "American morality is based on the 10 Cmmndmts".

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40) In some cases you can keep the girls alive for raping. (Numbers 31:15-18

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (See above.)

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; Capital punishment (Leviticus 24:16, Deuteronomy 18:20, Mark 3:28-29)

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Capital punishment (Exodus 31:14, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 35:2 Numbers 15:32)

5 Honour thy father and thy mother: Capital punishment (Exodus 21:15, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9) (What if your father is Joseph Stalin or your mother is Cher? Would God expect you to honor them?)

And so it goes.
12:02 PM on 08/17/2011
Isn't it ironic that they want to have the 10 Commandments outside a courtroom when Moses was totally high on an illegal substance when he perceived/received them from a supernatural being? Moses would have been arrested if he'd done that in Cross, FL.
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Nopinky
03:28 PM on 08/16/2011
Major point of clarification. There may not be anyone willing to be lynched for SAYING they want the monument moved, but that doesn't mean there's no one who wants it moved.
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mikevab
I'm a concerned citizen, 23 year vet. US Navy
10:50 AM on 08/16/2011
The problem isn't that this monument exists, the problem is that it resides on County property "the Government". The Constitution is clear "the Government" can not establish (support) a religion. I don't see why the fight. Put it someplace on private property, problem solved.
12:29 PM on 08/16/2011
Agreed. Put a monument like this in a church, not at the court house.
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ChiKevin
03:37 PM on 08/16/2011
Check this article about Bachmann.. It is scary what christian fundamentalists are trying to do this country...

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/15/110815fa_fact_lizza
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Myoho Mod
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
05:46 PM on 08/15/2011
Okay so if I put up a privatly funded and maintained monument to Sharia Law, I can do so accourding to their argument. What's that? Bring back sepration of church and state? Thought so
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Elisa Lockhart
03:13 PM on 08/15/2011
Really, the monument should be taken down because they've spelled Adultery wrong. The picture above is not of the actual monument in front of the Dixie County courthouse, which has the seventh commandment as "Thou shalt not commit adultry"
You can see it in the enlarged photo at the local newspapers website http://www.gainesville.com/article/20110718/ARTICLES/110719637
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Myoho Mod
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
05:30 PM on 08/15/2011
"Thou shalt not commit adultry" does that mean one should remain immature?
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Stanley Seay
Beware of Dogma
11:32 AM on 08/15/2011
To all those that would gladly betray our country with their sedition and righteous indignation and usher in religious rule, let me ask you one question: Can you name one single country or people that are, or have been, ruled by religion that you would actually want to live in? (No, America doesn't count, we aren't a christian nation regardless of how desperately you wish it were true). Besides, if you really think religious rule is all that and a bag of chips, you should have no trouble at all naming some societies ruled by religion that you would actually want to live in. Waiting.....waiting....still waiting....that's what I thought.
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Myoho Mod
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
05:32 PM on 08/15/2011
They seem to like a Christian version of Pakistan. 2% tax and all government spending is on the military with religious wack-a-dos doing all the education.
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mikevab
I'm a concerned citizen, 23 year vet. US Navy
11:31 AM on 08/16/2011
Sounds like Texas.
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NewDem08
Pay attention, there's a test later
11:15 AM on 10/02/2011
Very well done. Fan #36 here.
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miriamfl
10:39 AM on 08/15/2011
I consider of religion the first rule of laws to control the masses. Thousands of years ago humans did not have the knowledge or science to explain floods, hurricanes, electrical storms, earthquakes, meteor showers ect...
Thousands of years ago religion and (the fear of god or gods ) were used to unify and control the people. Let's not forget that almost in every group throughout the world there were groups and tribes that worshipped and sacrificed to the gods.
Religion and it's affiliation and denominations are mostly regional, national, and ethnic. The Jews had Moses, a great man , an intelectual that wanted to unite his people. In my opinion Moses carved those laws (the commandments) for that very reason.
Jesus was also an intelectual that went away at about 12 or 13 and didn't really show up till his 30s.
Then the muslims have Mohammed because they could not worship a Jew, they had to have their our god or Prophet.
The Greeks had their gods they worshipped and so did every area on earth!!!!! In Hawaii they used to sacrifice a virgin to fix things. American Indians worshipped the sun and moon and prayed for rain.
This was and still is a way to segregate, devide and then try to conquer.
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jweider
I know where my towel is
09:04 PM on 08/14/2011
Easy solution to the problem. Let them display the 10 Commandments.
But it can only be written in Hebrew the way that it was originally.
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mikevab
I'm a concerned citizen, 23 year vet. US Navy
12:36 PM on 08/16/2011
Ah... NO! Would be funny but still the Government endorsing a religion.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
05:45 PM on 08/14/2011
The solution to this nonsense is to start a movement to override that clause in the Constitution and stop with the arguing. If the Constitution is a flexible document, that religious issue can be remedied. If the majority of the people in this country are Christian, and if they truly want a Christian character to this land- without these silly and divisive legal arguments, all the people have to do is get another amendment written that will correct the apparent wrong. The Constitution is supposed to protect the right of law abiding citizens of America. If the people feel that by not honoring God sill lead to increased social disruption and corruption, then a new movement should be started to make it clear that secularism is not the will of the people. This has been done before; recall that the rights of slaves and women were not included in the original "finished" product.
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
07:51 PM on 08/14/2011
So, your solution for a more peaceful existence is to convert our government to a Christian theocracy? I think your going to get more than a little push back on that.
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CoastOfMaine
Ne Oublie
11:57 PM on 08/14/2011
I'll be one of the first in line, ready to take up arms if need to fight to keep our country from being turned into a Christian Theocracy.......and I was raised a Christian.
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jweider
I know where my towel is
09:13 PM on 08/14/2011
I'm not sure if your post is supposed to be sarcastic or just plain moronic.
Theocracies have never worked anywhere.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
10:25 PM on 08/14/2011
Dear jweider,

Why the insult? You must have Christianity confused with Communism. You live in a country that works not because of secular philosophy, but because most of the people have a conscience and are in contact with God. I don't know why this us so hard to understand but without a connection to God, the Law of the Jungle prevails. Said another way, you call someone a moron out innate real world ( not hiding behind a computer) that isn't connected to God, and you might get your tail whipped real good...or worse. Say that to someone in prison and see if they'll act "evolved". Only a fool would forsake Christianity for secularism.
03:53 PM on 08/14/2011
I'll make you a bet that if there was a Buddhist living in that town, who wanted to put up a plaque of Buddha's legal sayings, the Christians would be screaming bloody murder. Don't you know that only Christians have the right to do whatever they want? (sarcasm)
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Newfoundlander
I'm a pessimist, an optimist with experience!
01:18 PM on 08/14/2011
"Commandmen­t #1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

The list of 10 shown are from Exodus 20:1 - 17, but there is another set of 10 given in Exodus 34:1 - 28, which are quite different from the generally accepted commandments, and in Exodus 34:28 it states that THESE are the 10 commandments.
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Tomaniac
Science keeps us from lying to ourselves
10:52 AM on 08/14/2011
Commandment #1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
It looks like God is saying that there are other gods. I wonder who they are as I would like to see their side of the story and compare it to the biblical myths and contradictions.

Commandment #2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
Every Christian church I have ever entered goes against this commandment by providing images of a surfer Jesus with blue eyes and sandy brown hair. His mother Mary, the same problem. Is God fair skinned, blue eyed with light brown hair? If Jesus existed, he probably looked more like Osama Bin Laden. The cross should also be considered a "graven image".

Why do Christians display the 10 commandments while at the same time going against them?

Keep the separation of church and state strong by disallowing the display of purely religious and graven images in publicly funded institutions.
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lwolfmccall
I love God and Country
10:52 AM on 08/14/2011
This is hurting no one,leave the monument alone,and leave the
small community alone.They didnt ask for your help or your
opinion.
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graceaustin
02:26 PM on 08/14/2011
The courthouse represents the laws of the United States. Among those laws is the separation of church and state.
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lwolfmccall
I love God and Country
03:10 PM on 08/14/2011
While I agree 100% ,we are founded on God,just check your
money and see what it says"IN God we Trust".Enough of
this double standard liberalism.