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Late Returns: Don't Hold Your Breath Waiting On A 2012 'Savior'

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First Posted: 08/15/11 07:57 PM ET Updated: 10/15/11 06:12 AM ET

As noted earlier, the Wall Street Journal's editorial board has decided today that it will remain a strong voice of conservative discontent over the field of Republican candidates running for president. But as Jonathan Bernstein points out, it's time to give up the notion that a "savior" is on the way to make everyone believe again:

A number of Republican pundit types and party actors have been holding out hope that there’s still time for a “savior” candidate to emerge. But the notion that this is still possible rests on a misunderstanding of the process. Candidates begin running for president long before they make a formal announcement. For example, Rick Perry didn’t start running for president on Saturday. He may not have totally committed to it months ago, but everything about his book and the issues he stressed during the recent session of the Texas legislature (abortion, immigration) suggested that he was actively getting ready to run. In a completely different way, the same thing is true of Sarah Palin. The Sage of Wasilla may or may not finally decide to run in 2012, but she’s been at least half-heartedly running for 2012 all along.

But that’s it. There’s no one else out there on the horizon who has been doing the sorts of things one has to do to run for the Republican nomination for president. Anyone else — Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, whoever — would be starting from scratch, very late in the game.

Bernstein goes on to add, "The other thing I’d say to Republicans disappointed in the current choices ... is this: What you’re upset with isn’t the candidate — it’s the party."

Go read the whole thing.
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Obama shouldn't panic about that Gallup poll showing that his approval rating has fallen below 40 percent -- August polls mean nothing, as Ronald Reagan could tell you. Instead, he should panic about anemic economic growth. (And, you know, the massive unemployment crisis.) [The Plum Line]

We remind you that Buddy Roemer is the only candidate for President in 2012 who believes that money has a pernicious effect on electoral politics. "I challenge the Mitt Romneys of the world. And the Rick Perrys. And the Michelle Bachmanns. And the Ron Pauls. And the Jon Huntsmans. And anybody else who’s there. Herman Cain, I don’t want to leave anybody out. Gary Johnson. Whomever. I challenge them to accept this pledge. No PAC money. No Super PACs formed. Keep your limit at $2,500. I can live with that. [...] No more Wall Street fundraisers! They’d be out with the folks, they might hear something." [ThinkProgress]

The next sixty days will feature five Republican debates, so this is probably a good time for that assisted suicide you've been putting off. [The Fix]

Paul Waldman has some real talk on the "meaning of gaffes." What he says about them is a vital political narrative decoder for ordinary people: "'Gaffes' almost never reveal anything particularly important; instead, they’re opportunities for reporters to offer vivid illustrations of conclusions they’ve already made about the candidates." [The American Prospect]

Ron Paul says that people are not corporations. [ThinkProgress]

Herman Cain says that he just wants to keep on racking up fifth-place finishes from now on. [The Hill]

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As noted earlier, the Wall Street Journal's editorial board has decided today that it will remain a strong voice of conservative discontent over the field of Republican candidates running for presiden...
As noted earlier, the Wall Street Journal's editorial board has decided today that it will remain a strong voice of conservative discontent over the field of Republican candidates running for presiden...
 
 
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04:05 PM on 08/26/2011
It is a sad day that the sanest one of the bunch is Ron Paul !
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Richard Dix
08:16 PM on 08/19/2011
the dems savior didn't work out ti well for them did it ! lol .
01:34 PM on 08/17/2011
When did we turn into a society looking to be saved by a "messiah"? What happened to the entrepreneurial spirit that built this country in the first place? Our forefathers were sick of being dictated to by a King who was more interested in suppression and greed - remember "no taxation without representation"? Many came as indentured servants, that is what they were willing to do in order to get away and begin anew with HOPE. Risked their lives to cross an ocean that to many was less terrifying than staying. They ventured to an America that lacked running water, electricity and cell phones (oh my). They built something out of nothing. Where has that Spirit gone? Why do we wait for a government to rescue us when we are not willing to rescue ourselves. What are you waiting for?
01:54 PM on 08/27/2011
Do not forget those rugged indiviualists who risked their lives to cross this country and carve out new lives in the wilderness, with no healthcare, no police, no government. They relied upon their abilities and sheer determination without help from anyone back east, total personal responsibilty! Well said! Fanned
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Dee Win
11:13 AM on 08/17/2011
I think the nation is still waiting for the savior of '08 (or was it messiah?) to perform miracles.

Heck, I'd be happy with a law-abiding Department of Justice.
01:35 PM on 08/17/2011
Now that seems like an oxymoron ... "law-abiding" being used to describe the "Department of Justice".
kokobin
Against stupidity the gods contend in vain
02:40 PM on 08/18/2011
After the tyranny of the Shrub, Rummy unlawful wars against Muslim countries and personal liberties, plus Gitmo, oxymoron seems apt.
10:26 AM on 08/17/2011
The "savior" mentality never came into play until Obama. Weeping crowds, fainting people, etc. I didn't get it - Obama has no charisma, can't speak a coherent word without multiple teleprompters and voiced vague platitudes. No sane person expects a president to "save us" - and it's ironic the "savior" turned out to be most incompetent president I've seen in my lifetime!
01:39 PM on 08/17/2011
In a musing, Elvis and the Beatles were the only ones that I know of to inspire weeping crowds and fainting people. And in more of today's entertainment world, I've seen young tweens weep when Taylor Swift goes by.

But I'm with you on your comment that no sane person expects a president to save us.
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skybar
history repeats the old conceits
08:47 AM on 08/17/2011
Maybe they can get Fred Thompson to run again.
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Lisa Shields
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08:35 AM on 08/17/2011
With a field this wide, attracting voter attention and support would be a challenge in any race. But this is just shy of a year before the election...and aside from "no new taxes, and smaller Government", what are they offering that sets them apart? This is pretty much a "throw a dart" race...with a few noisy exceptions who may be able to generate publicity...but can't energize an electorate.

This election, there are too many special interests to pander to. Win one, lose the rest. And I firmly believe that the Latino vote will be significant in the coming race. They may not be enamored with Obama...but they are not going to put their support behind most of this field, when it comes time to pull that lever.
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CynAnne
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10:29 PM on 08/16/2011
Between 'Romn-com' and Rick 'Secede = Winning!' Perry (and Rick 'Dog Pee' Santorum), Jon 'Easier Rider' Huntsman, Newt '24-hour Breakfasts at Tiffany$' Gingrich, Michele 'Loon-Aler­­­­­t' Bachmann, Say-rah 'Quitta @ Twitta' Palin and Herman 'You Can Haz Pizza, Too!' Cain, it seems the Publican't­­­­­s remaining field is awash with...bac­­­­­kwash. ;)
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09:31 PM on 08/16/2011
These ideological saviors (Obama being a classic example) usually don't work out very well. I would rather have a President who knows what he's doing.
09:42 PM on 08/16/2011
FDR is still deceased lat time I checked.
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RMorr2002
10:53 PM on 08/16/2011
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06:42 AM on 08/17/2011
What is up with you and that undefined post?
09:06 PM on 08/16/2011
I am not yet ready to dismiss the idea that the eventual GOP candidate isn't still hiding behind the curtain waiting for all the clowns to off each other.
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RMorr2002
10:53 PM on 08/16/2011
Hmmmmm....I wonder if Scott Walker is interested?
06:42 AM on 08/17/2011
I agree.
06:41 PM on 08/16/2011
The President will most likely not win re-election without a third party candidate. The last election was anyone but Bush/GOP and this one will be anyone but Obama.

I base this on the fact that there was no rational reason to election Obama other than voting against Bush. As he has shown, Mr. Obama did not have the experience to be President. I found it funny that everyone was critical of Ms. Palin for being too inexperienced to be Vice-President while she was the chief executive of a state but Mr. Obama was qualified for the presidency even though he had no executive experience whatsoever. Independents swung toward Obama because he wasn't a GOP and some voted for him for the historical aspect wanting to get our first minority president. It is evident that the none Democrat voters for Mr. Obama were not concerned about qualifications.

This time the Independents will be voting anti-Obama because of his lack of leadership and poor, mediocre at best, performance. Without a third party candidate to pull some of the Independent vote, Mr. Obama will not be able to get over 46-48 percent of the electorate. His re-election polling indicate that he will have trouble getting much over the 46-48% threshold.

Look for the emergence of a third party candidate early next year. Someone like Donald Trump which can pull 8-10% of the anti-Obama vote.
08:35 AM on 08/17/2011
Try to keep your delusions to yourself.
09:24 PM on 08/17/2011
How about counter point or points to attempt to prove your assertions about my statement being delusional or where I am wrong in my statements. Why is it that a lot of the more liberal leaning posters on this sight just throw petty little snide comments and do not try to support their positions with counter arguments? Do you have any constructive thoughts on what I said?

Political discourse and discussion helped make this country great. The Founding Fathers threw ideas out for discussion and through this debate, created a great system of government. I'm glad they just didn't respond to one another with useless comments such as "Try to keep your delusions to yourself" I'm sure your snarky remark is really going to sway other rational and thinking readers to your side.
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Screed
My car elevator goes to the top floor!
10:14 AM on 08/17/2011
Obama has the brains to figure out the job. On the other hand Sarah Palin is an idiot.
09:09 PM on 08/17/2011
I hope he figures it out soon because it keeps getting worse and worse.
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fgbouman
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06:38 PM on 08/16/2011
Perhaps the Republicans do have some wisdom hidden deep inside that is keeping the few rational figures they have from trying to become President and thereby become the next to be pilloried for trying to fix the unfixable. This is beginning to feel like the decline and fall of the Roman empire.
06:17 PM on 08/16/2011
When Ricky comes marching home again , hoorah, hoorah,
His utter defeat will stick in his craw, hoorah, hoorah,
He'll blame the mainstream media,
Book a fight back on Expedia,
And we'll all feel gay when Ricky comes marching home!
03:40 PM on 08/20/2011
So much time and so little talent...
Better stick to Sudoku...
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Thumbody
just for the halibut!
05:14 PM on 08/16/2011
Is Jesus coming?
09:07 PM on 08/16/2011
Not if He's smart.
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03:39 PM on 08/16/2011
No matter how it may look for President Obama I am confident that the republicans will manage to show what complete fools they are and self destruct. We win by default.
09:08 PM on 08/16/2011
I agree with your sentiment, but I feel that Obama will manage to make it close in his demonstrated spirit of misguided bipartisanship.
06:44 AM on 08/17/2011
His approval is now at around 39% and dropping?
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02:47 PM on 08/18/2011
it never worked for me but cross your fingers.
03:43 PM on 08/20/2011
BHO has proven what a complete failure. Carter-esque.
American people will not make the same mistake twice.
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05:17 PM on 08/20/2011
please translate into normal speech. i don't speak fowl.