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London Riots 2011: David Cameron Wants Reverse In UK's 'Slow-Motion Moral Collapse'

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First Posted: 08/15/11 10:12 AM ET Updated: 10/15/11 06:12 AM ET

LONDON -- Britain must confront a culture of laziness, irresponsibility and selfishness that fueled four days of riots which left five people dead, thousands facing criminal charges and hundreds of millions in damages, Prime Minister David Cameron acknowledged Monday.

As rival political leaders staked out their response to England's unrest, Cameron pledged to deliver a raft of new policies by October aimed at reversing the "slow-motion moral collapse" which he blames for fostering the disorder.

"This has been a wake-up call for our country. Social problems that have been festering for decades have exploded in our face," Cameron told an audience at a youth center in Witney, his Parliamentary district in southern England. "Just as people last week wanted criminals robustly confronted on our street, so they want to see these social problems taken on and defeated."

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith said Monday he was checking whether those involved in the riots should have their welfare payments cut, while London mayor Boris Johnson said young people convicted in the disorder would lose their right to use public transportation for free.

Cameron pledged to end a culture of timidity in discussing family breakdown or poor parenting, or in criticizing those who fail to set a good example to their children or community.

"We have been too unwilling for too long to talk about what is right and what is wrong," Cameron said. "We have too often avoided saying what needs to be said, about everything from marriage to welfare to common courtesy."

In a rival speech, main opposition Labour Party leader Ed Miliband criticized Cameron's response as overly simplistic, and demanded that lawmakers focus on delivering better opportunities for disaffected young people.

"The usual politicians' instinct - announce a raft of new legislation, appoint a new adviser, wheel out your old prejudices and shallow answers - will not meet the public's demand," said Miliband.

He spoke at his former high school in Camden, north London, half a block from the scene of rioting Aug. 8, when shops were trashed and police came under attack.


"Are issues like education and skills, youth services, youth unemployment important for diverting people away from gangs, criminality, the wrong path? Yes, they matter," Miliband said.

The differing approaches to Britain's most serious riots in a generation are likely to dominate the country's annual political conventions, which begin next month. Miliband has called for a full public inquiry into the roots of the riots, while Cameron insists his government is able to adequately examine the issue.

Cameron insists that racial tensions, poverty and the government's austerity program - much of which is yet to bite - were not the primary motivations for the riots across London and other major cities.

Instead, Cameron pointed to gang-related crime, and a widespread failure from Britain's leaders to address deep rooted social issues, including the country's generous welfare system.

"Children without fathers. Schools without discipline. Reward without effort. Crime without punishment. Rights without responsibilities. Communities without control. Some of the worst aspects of human nature tolerated, indulged - sometimes even incentivized - by a state and its agencies that in parts have become literally demoralized," Cameron said.

He pledged that the government would intervene to help 120,000 of the country's most troubled families before the 2015 national election.

Standing before a backdrop of graffiti, Cameron said Britain's damaged society had for too long been one which "incites laziness, that excuses bad behavior, that erodes self-discipline, that discourages hard work."

Both he and Miliband agreed that, following recklessness by bankers, the lawmakers' expense check scandal, and media phone hacking saga, all sectors of society had a share of the blame.

"Moral decline and bad behavior is not limited to a few of the poorest parts of our society. In the highest offices, the plushest boardrooms, the most influential jobs, we need to think about the example we are setting," Cameron said.

Young people who watched Cameron speak appeared unimpressed with his plans.

"He should stop blaming it on everyone else, he should stop living in la-la land," said 17-year-old Jake Parkinson. "If he was doing his job right, this wouldn't be happening."

As police continued to hunt those involved in last week's riots, detectives said they had uncovered a cache of weapons and hidden loot buried in flower beds in Camden. Knives, a hammer, metal bars and two cash registers from a looted cycle store were found after officers combed the area with metal detectors.

A 33-year-old man, Gordon Edward Thompson, was remanded into custody at Croydon Magistrates Court charged with setting fire to a family department store that had been in business since 1867.

Cameron spoke with store owner Maurice Reeves, and said Monday he had described "a hundred years of hard work, burned to the ground in a few hours."

In Birmingham, where hundreds of Asian, black and white residents held a peace rally on Sunday, two men and a teenage boy appeared in court Monday charged with murdering three Pakistani men run over and killed during last week's riots.

Three other men have been arrested and bailed, and police on Monday detained a seventh suspect, a 30-year-old man, on suspicion of murder.

Haroon Jahan, 20, and brothers Shazad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31, died Wednesday after a car struck them at high speed as they guarded shops in west Birmingham, 120 miles (190 kilometers) northwest of London.

The attack raised fears of gang warfare between the area's South Asian and Caribbean gangs because residents identified the assailants as black. But public appeals for no retaliation, particularly from one victim's father, Tariq Jahan, have helped keep passions at bay.

England's gang-fueled rioting began in London Aug. 6 and spread to several other English cities. Police were criticized for responding too slowly, particularly in London, but eventually deployed huge numbers of officers at riot zones to quell the mayhem.

The Association of British Insurers has estimated the cost from wrecked and stolen property at 200 million pounds ($326 million) but expects the total to rise.

Two men, ages 24 and 27, were released on bail Monday over the fatal shooting of a 26-year-old man during riots in Croydon, south London. Both suspects, along with two other men, will return to face further police questioning next month.

Officers were also interviewing a 16-year-old boy arrested Sunday night on suspicion of fatally beating a 68-year-old man who had tried to put out a fire set by rioters in Ealing, west London.

Across the country, about 1,400 people have been charged so far with riot-related offenses and thousands have been arrested. Several courts opened Sunday for the first time in modern history to try to reduce the backlog of cases.

London's police said in the capital alone, 1,593 people had been arrested and 926 charged with offenses.

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Jill Lawless contributed to this report.

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LONDON -- Britain must confront a culture of laziness, irresponsibility and selfishness that fueled four days of riots which left five people dead, thousands facing criminal charges and hundreds of mi...
LONDON -- Britain must confront a culture of laziness, irresponsibility and selfishness that fueled four days of riots which left five people dead, thousands facing criminal charges and hundreds of mi...
LONDON -- Britain must confront a culture of laziness, irresponsibility and selfishness that fueled four days of riots which left five people dead, thousands facing criminal charges and hundreds of mi...
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Dave Harpe
Was young, now old.
08:59 PM on 08/16/2011
So, times are getting hard in England, and some people respond by going crazy. Cameron's answer? Make things even harder! Of course! Why didn't I think of that!
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Sirlarek
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02:16 PM on 08/16/2011
Punitive solutions for systemic problems. Cut the foot off the one legged creatures. They will be able to fend for themselves better at a lower weight.
12:30 PM on 08/16/2011
Why would the british govt want to resolve this breakdown of family values now? After decades of constructively introducing policies that literally ripped these same families apart . The question begs is...has it got to the stage where the very policy makers who wanted to destroy the growing imigrant family are experiencing that the breakdown is not limited to imigrants but also the host community and that when any family breaksdown the resultant fall out ripples throught out society with a vengeance.
I remember speaking to a social worker based in a typical middle class community years ago about family breakdowns and I was coldly informed that they almost engineered the breakdowns simply to enhance their own position as social workers and ensuring future growth in a social welfare society and it was focused mainly in newly immigrant families where the family still had rigid cultural values
01:53 AM on 08/17/2011
Finally. Somebody with an insight into what operates below the surface. The intricate workings of the social worker and community activist culture ! Not many people took notice of reports where children are taken away from their caring families, heartrending stories, to fill some ritual involved in foster care. Yes, maybe to protect their dispensible jobs. And using vulnerable or depressed people to pray on.
There are certain newspapers in Britian, tabloids to be sure, who explore and reveal scandals that the Govt. should be monitoring. Well, maybe Cameron is the one to do it, even though he has other irons in the fire. The whole "politically correct" "Trendy" "Grant obtaining" industry must be dismantled and its responsibilities revealed. One of them is, what are these social workers doing when children are neglected, tortured and killed. There is ALWAYS an excuse. Yet they have time to persecute innocent families. I can google the examples I am quoting if you wish.
Sean Beam, I think you have said a mouthful here. I totally believe you. Sadly, some countries can't understand the inner workings of British Social Welfare Industry that is rooted in history, yet that which many immigrants soon get the message about and find their place in. I don't know if it can be fixed.
04:02 PM on 08/17/2011
cameron is all hot air..these promises are rhetorics to 'show' his supportrs that he has the problem in hand...I would put my last penny on nothing significant happening...seen it ...done it.....and lived throught all the BS..I would say to cameron you wanna sort this out...limit social security to 100% for 6 months......75% for next 6, 50% for the next ..then get out and work or we take all your assests and your babies and you are on the street . Medical, I would bring in a $25 fee everytime you visit a doc if you are unemployed or on SS...even if its in accident and emergency ...u aint getting away..stops all these lingerers and partially pays for the services they get
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loki
Better to die fighting, than live on knees
02:02 AM on 08/16/2011
just like a gov. the people protest over inequalities and loss of rights for the working and poor , and the gov says it will cut more rights for the protesters. whats next , a police state ?
this is why civil protest wont work anymore. Politicians are bought and paid for by the rich, and the rich never want to do the right thing, they want to do what makes them richer and feel more powerful. Its not the 60s anymore when a protest made a difference. Its beyond Protest.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
08:31 AM on 08/16/2011
Interesting book called The Spirit Level about the income inequalities and the impacts on society....it is no wonder that the US has the 2.3 million people locked up at the taxpayer expense. Also see Max Keyser episode 173 about The Economist and civil unrest...
02:14 PM on 08/16/2011
LOl where are you ...we already have a police state ..look at the number of cameras that photograph you as you travel between croydon in the southern suburbs of london to say barnet the northern perimeter...im told you get into the frame 234 times on every trip...police state ...we already have one...and it was set up before the rich would even try to rip the ordinary tax payer...cause then they could find out exactly who the protester is ..where he/she came from..where he/she went and where they live..by simply following the camera trail...dont believe me...do a lil more research...I was an mobile engineer and I knew each camera (for speeding /traffic /parking offence avoidence ..ofcourse
02:03 AM on 08/17/2011
Sean-hopeless . You are speaking another language not translatable for Americans.
I did not realise how uniquw aND intricate are the workings of British Society compared to the simple blak and white, rich and oppressed elements in the US..
How simple it all is there.
I hope you are not criticising the CCTV cameras-tome they are a godsend because i ma not going to do anything wrong! If I do, I can protest. This way the events can be traced and diagnosed.
Freedom is just a word. Freedom when sections of the population have their freedoms assaulted by other's freedoms makes it worthless.
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cliffhammond
Onward through the fog!
12:46 AM on 08/16/2011
He's going to issue another Downing Street Memo revering the original one. Then he's going to expose the Windsors as German spies working for the Rothschilds; you know, the people who hold the mortgages.
12:12 AM on 08/16/2011
The moral collapse was put in motion when we were lied into wars and the bankster were bailed out with the taxpayers money!
09:21 AM on 08/16/2011
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moccasinmike
retreat hell
01:03 PM on 08/16/2011
no the collapse is when the uk opened there door to the world and feed them for free same thing happeneing in the us and guess what its called welfare this was a wake up and the brits deserved it with there so-called liberal tolerance,france,denmark there starting to get the picture,are you i didnt think so
02:13 AM on 08/17/2011
What do you mean, so - called tolerence.
Yes, It absolutely HAS gone TOO FAR.
Mostly because people live at close quarters in Europe and must be tolerent of each other-too many strangers tend to disrupt that staus quo.
However in the US, there is the space, the food, the money. Nothing is finite.
Immigration should be tempered but is not the critical condition it is in, in Europe.

There, people have pushed tolerance to the limit. The public really ARE afaid tp speak, afraid to make reasonable crticism, not even approaching racism ! Take the historian on BBC recently where he was accosted and verbally ridiculed for trying to give an opinion. It is NOT racism when there's a problem and people are trying to contribute suggestions.
And a Govt which inherited problems is not responsible for them, in any country on the PLANET !
11:59 PM on 08/15/2011
PLEASE SLAM THE IMMIGRATION DOOR SHUT.

People should only legally apply if they can support themselves and their families for a period of 6 months. Too many benefits have the UK patsies in Europe.

CLOSE THE DOOR FOR 6 MONTHS - DEPORT THE LOOTERS AND FELONS AND MAKE BRITAIN SAFE AGAIN.
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cliffhammond
Onward through the fog!
12:48 AM on 08/16/2011
I totally agree. They need to slam the door. No more German royals!
02:14 AM on 08/17/2011
Idiot.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
08:32 AM on 08/16/2011
I thought that they were letting the colonials immigrate, you know those colonials whose countries were plundered of natural resources....
11:32 PM on 08/15/2011
Camron's reponse is so reactionary it's pathetic. The only way it coulld have been more pathetic is if he had started foaming at the mouth.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
11:08 PM on 08/15/2011
He was talking about the Bankster Gangsters wasn't he? I mean who really tears up the fabric of society and morals??? See Bill Blacks take on the mess in London in this link http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/keiser-herbert-british-justice/
11:34 PM on 08/15/2011
Conservatives think
bankers ripping us a new one is jolly good fun!
10:37 PM on 08/15/2011
Definition of Moral Collapse Governments of the World Allowing the TBTF Banks and Wall Street Stealing So Big They are Bankrupting Sovereign Countries with very few token arrests.

Across the country, about 1,400 people have been charged so far with riot-related offenses and thousands have been arrested. Several courts opened Sunday for the first time in modern history to try to reduce the backlog of cases:

London's police said in the capital alone, 1,593 people had been arrested and 926 charged with offenses.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
11:09 PM on 08/15/2011
And not one Bankster since the mess began in 2006....NOT ONE.....Iceland has it right...
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cliffhammond
Onward through the fog!
08:57 PM on 08/15/2011
"Britain must confront a culture of laziness, irresponsibility and selfishness..." Now where have we heard those stereotypes before? I know, every night at bedtime Cameron is going to play old tapes of George Wallace speeches to the nation and call them Fireside Chats.
08:40 PM on 08/15/2011
Everyone needs to read the following article from The Financial Times on-line and then concider the morality of David Cameron - http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/04/exclusive-david-cameron-and-the-bullingdon-night-of-the-broken-window/#axzz1V6R82zIf
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
11:13 PM on 08/15/2011
The Financial Times ROCKS...great article and thank you so much for the link...
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
11:13 PM on 08/15/2011
PS, here is another link about London http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/keiser-herbert-british-justice/
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progressivestance84
The Right is Wrong.
08:33 PM on 08/15/2011
David Cameron, British society is not in disarray because of bad morals; Britain is in decay (just like the US) due to extremist politicians that are not held accountable under the laws that THEY THEMSELVES WRITE!.

Look know further to the News of the World scandal.

Any Britons reading this post? Please tell me why David Cameron is your PM. He has no answers, no sense, and if there was any morality in this world; no chance of being re-elected. His austerity programs and policies are a complete failure.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
08:35 AM on 08/16/2011
You do realize of course that the alternative to austerity is taxing the wealth....Like the Swiss do and have done for hundreds of years....I mean really. that would be a better measure of who benefits most from the society....
05:05 PM on 08/17/2011
You think in Britain they don't tax the wealthy ???
Why do all the wealthy LIVE in Switzerland!
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
08:27 PM on 08/15/2011
This is what happens when the political class tries to buy off votes by creating a dependency class. 
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cliffhammond
Onward through the fog!
08:58 PM on 08/15/2011
They should have never let those people off the kibbutz to protest in Tel Aviv.
02:19 PM on 08/16/2011
you mean Israel should have a little concentration camp of their own? I thought they already did..and the innocent palestinians were occupying that space...swop?
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02:48 AM on 08/16/2011
I've been about this quite a while now.
Is it that the political class is dependent on the economical elite - or is it that the economical elite is dependent on the political class?
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
03:56 AM on 08/16/2011
It's real simple:

The political class are dependent on votes.

The economic elite can persuade the politicians with donations... but they can't deliver the votes. 
02:21 PM on 08/16/2011
Its the old worldwide practice ...you scratch my Butt...I scratch yours.....oops so sorry .. scratch my back.....
08:19 PM on 08/15/2011
White collar crime is also criminal.......

Media, police, politicians and the wealthy are not exempt.....
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
11:15 PM on 08/15/2011
I mean reallly when the Head of Scotland Yard takes a dive, what else would you expect....The Head of Scotland Yard, I thought I was dreaming when I read that, but I guess the OLIGARCHS have their tennacles EVERY WHERE....
02:27 PM on 08/16/2011
Its a crime alright ...but try keeping them in prison for more than the time it takes a team lawyer to bail em out..thats where the western legal/financial system fails hands down