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Ron Paul 2012: Once A Fringe Candidate, Texas Congressman Now Shaping Race

Ron Paul Elections 2012

By PHILIP ELLIOTT   08/14/11 06:47 PM ET   AP

DES MOINES, Iowa -- Ron Paul, once seen as a fringe candidate and a nuisance to the establishment, is shaping the 2012 Republican primary by giving voice to the party's libertarian wing and reflecting frustration with the United States' international entanglements.

The Texas congressman placed second in a key early test vote Saturday in Ames, coming within 152 votes of winning the first significant balloting of the Republican nominating contest. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota won the nonbinding Iowa straw poll, but Paul's organizational strength and a retooled focus on social issues set him up to be a serious player in the campaign.

"I believe in a very limited role for government. But the prime reason that government exists in a free society is to protect liberty, but also to protect life. And I mean all life," he told a raucous crowd on Saturday.

"You cannot have relative value for life and deal with that. We cannot play God and make those decisions. All life is precious," he said, opening his remarks with an anti-abortion appeal to the social conservatives who have great sway here in Iowa's leadoff caucuses.

Later Saturday, Paul won 4,671 votes, or roughly 28 percent of the votes from party activists who flocked to a college campus for the daylong political carnival

Paul's narrow second-place finish pushed former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty down to third, leading Pawlenty on Sunday to abandon his effort to challenge President Barack Obama next November.

Four years ago, Paul sought the GOP nomination while talking about economic policy, liberty and the Federal Reserve. Since then, the tea party has risen and seized on those issues, and some regard Paul as one of the movement's godfathers.

"The country's bankrupt, and nobody wanted to admit it. And when you're bankrupt, you can't keep spending," Paul said Thursday during a Fox News Channel debate.

He may lack the broad appeal that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney or Texas Gov. Rick Perry are claiming, but Paul's finish Saturday indicated he could compete.

Paul typically does well in such straw polls, which rely on supporters' intensity and organization. His base helped him win straw polls at June's Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans and February's Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, and his followers organize online to ensure strong finishes at any contest they can find.

It is part of their effort to get rid of the notion that Paul is a fringe candidate.

Paul's 2008 campaign came up far short of better organized rivals. This time, his advisers are putting together a more serious effort that taps into voters' frustrations with Washington and the fears about the economy.

His aides are working within the system instead of against it. For instance, Paul's base camp for the Iowa straw poll was at the same location Romney used in 2007. Romney won that straw poll after investing heavily from his deep pockets for the prime real estate.

Paul's campaign notes that it won more votes this year than Romney won four years ago during his first bid for the GOP nomination. This year, Romney didn't actively campaign during the straw poll; instead, he is looking at a campaign launch in New Hampshire, which hosts the first primary after Iowa's leadoff caucuses.

Still, Paul finds himself outside the bounds of traditional Republicans. His opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan defines him as a dove. His skepticism toward the Federal Reserve has spooked Wall Street. And his libertarian views on gay rights draw the ire of social conservatives.

He also tweaks Republicans on foreign policy, arguing it isn't the United States' role to police Iran's nuclear program or to enforce an embargo with Cuba.

"Iran is not Iceland, Ron," former Sen. Rick Santorum told Paul during Thursday's debate.

Paul also proves a reliable foil for Democrats.

"In previous presidential campaigns, we might have chalked extreme fringe-type candidates like Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul as an anomaly, (and) the Ames straw poll didn't mean as much," said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee.

"But we're looking at the core of the Republican Party now. The heart of the Republican Party is the extreme right wing," she told CNN.

Paul, a 75-year-old doctor by training, is not backing down.

"These straw poll results, our growing poll numbers and our strong fundraising show that our message is resonating with Iowans and Americans everywhere," campaign chairman Jesse Benton said. "Our message was the same in 2007 as it is now in 2011, but this time we have quadrupled our support. That means our message is spreading, our support is surging and people are taking notice."

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DES MOINES, Iowa -- Ron Paul, once seen as a fringe candidate and a nuisance to the establishment, is shaping the 2012 Republican primary by giving voice to the party's libertarian wing and reflecting...
DES MOINES, Iowa -- Ron Paul, once seen as a fringe candidate and a nuisance to the establishment, is shaping the 2012 Republican primary by giving voice to the party's libertarian wing and reflecting...
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10:52 AM on 09/28/2011
Ron Paul creates more contradictory feelings (for me) than any other political candidate I have ever listened to. In one breath, he lauds policies I believe in strongly, usually regarding individual (human) rights and the return of our troops. Then in the next breath, he babbles nonsense about how the "private sector" (read: corporation) will suddenly grow a conscience and accept its responsibility towards the American people. I do not think deregulation will EVER support American progress, especially regarding workers' rights and protections, trade protections and "free-trade" policies like NAFTA/CAFTA. Is there something wrong with government existing to protect humans against the greed of capitalism while still allowing the economy to grow? Is it impossible?
02:15 AM on 09/29/2011
I feel the same way. It's because in a broad sense he's right. Who doesn't want expanded Civil Liberties? But in practice he's pure nonsense. Allowing states to make decisions and leaving the Federal government out of it contradicts the notion of civil liberties. By Ron Paul's philosophy, The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act are both unconstitutional. He would have left it to the states and "the private sector" to magically have ended segregation. http://obamaftw.com/
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Giovanni Campanella
08:54 PM on 10/03/2011
Ron Paul favors a government defense of individual and property rights. You cannot have a free market without individual rights.

You are misunderstood (I mean no disrespect) about his economics - under a Paul Administration, no corporation can violate property rights and get away with it. No company can pollute your land, poison your water or steal it through eminent domain.

You simply aren't doing enough research and going off what Bush thinks a free market is.

NAFTA is not legislation that supports the people - he is against it. NAFTA allows corporations to hire anywhere in the world for whatever those countries rule's allow so that corporations (under Obama or Bush) can hire cheap labor, then sell that produce to unemployed Americans.

There is a difference between fascism (crony capitalism) and actual, true free enterprise. Please do your part and understand the difference.
08:48 AM on 10/04/2011
I think you misunderstand me. I didn't say that Paul supported those "free trade" policies. I know that he doesn't. However, he does believe in universal deregulation of the market and corporation. America experienced total deregulation before....and it led to abuses of American workers and consumers. Upton Sinclair's The Jungle would never had been written if not for lack of regulation. The Triangle factory fire was a child of total deregulation. Forced overtime, horrible, dangerous working conditions, child labor, no regard to a living wage, worker exploitation. We, as Americans, fought for the right to rise out of a deregulated system into a strong labor and market system that supports its workers, products and consumers. Government is not the problem here. Greed, lack of compassion, selfishness, avarice, gluttony....the razing of the middle class to fund the excess of the wealthy. It has to end now....support the Occupy Wall Street movement.
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07:44 PM on 09/04/2011
"Ron Paul is our best bet." - David Duke
07:56 AM on 09/12/2011
Demonize through alleged association. Yawn..... Do you think people can't find odious individuals who were for Obama? How pathetic.
05:39 PM on 08/20/2011
to those that say he doesnt have a shot, and that these straw polls are only a focused group of people, heres a nice little 50,000 person poll in about 8000 cities nationwide for you that got pulled from fox new's website

http://www.topix.com/issue/gop-debate-aug11
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07:56 PM on 09/04/2011
he does not have a shot, but for the president let's hope he gets some traction - he'll take money away from more electable candidates
08:05 AM on 09/12/2011
Right,,,,,, The political class mantra. If- you -don't- support- the- status- quo; you can't win. That's the point. We can't win that way because the status quo does now represent our interests. Their idea of Democracy folks: Theychose who you get to pick. The result is perpetual wars, the decline of the middle class. Super rich subsidized by the taxpayers. Massive debt and more Crony capitalism. Don't fall for it. Reject the lies. Vote for Ron Paul in 2012 and break the hegemony of the corrupt. .
04:03 PM on 08/19/2011
I agree with his fiscal responsibility and mind-our-business(regarding military adventures) mantras, but I can't support the disastrous, pernicious, and callous libertarian Free Market ideology; the so-called free market got us into current economic/financial mess, as did in the Great Depression. If people still don't see this nonsense -- then you are welcoming and liking financial criminality and great depressions.
12:40 AM on 08/20/2011
But we dont actually have a free market in this country, gov't regulations, stimulus, and subsidies prevents it.

To think we have free market capitalism is nonsense.
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teron678
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10:00 AM on 08/20/2011
LMAO .... A free market only will work if the consumers are mindless robots.

Tell me which country has a free market??
12:02 PM on 08/20/2011
The market doesn't have to be totally free and naked(not that the libertarians and right-wing republicans hadn't try) -- just enough for financial criminals to plunder and destroy the nation! Remember, financial or FDR regulations were put in response to the financial crimes that led to the Great Depression(these regulations didn't come about because FDR and others just didn't like the Wall Street types), and they worked very well, and wealth spead out evenly through out the populace creating the largest middle class in the world. Now, only those regulations were systematically gutted(started with Reagan) that got us back to this current Great Depression II -- I don't mince words here!
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Giovanni Campanella
09:00 PM on 10/03/2011
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were government subsidized entities using government created artificially low interest rates and when it failed (As Ron Paul and Peter Schiff predicted years in advance) they were bailed out. This is a problem created by the collusion of government and specific corporations that is only possible when there is no free market. A free market only allows a government that protects your rights, not give special privileges to their criminal friends in wall street.

In no way does that describe a free market. In a Paul administration, individual and property rights are protected by the government, not through regulations that always get rewritten by lobbyists and corporations. This means that they cannot pollute other people's property or property that does not belong to them.

You have your heart in the right place but you are misunderstood on what he means by free enterprise. Please do more research, for yourself.
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QuantumBios
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07:54 PM on 08/17/2011
I love how the "Community Pundits" are all trash talking RP, and the regular commentators are mostly praising him.
03:39 PM on 08/17/2011
Why is is fringe for a Congressman to respect the Constitution they are sworn to uphold and defend? Why is it fringe to demand that government act responsibly with tax payers monies? Why is it fringe to be right about the problems created by our governments endless meddling in the internal affairs of other governments?
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El Guapo Numero Uno
99 problems, but you aint one....
08:22 AM on 08/17/2011
The fact that he is pro gay rights and against the wars is a total break from his party and I applaud him for standing for what he believes is right.
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12:59 PM on 08/17/2011
against fed subsidies and tax write offs for corporations
He may be personally against an issue but the crutch is this:
If people in a state, who's vote directly counts and is closer to the gov thatn the feds, vote for legalizing pot, then they should be able to do it.
If people in a state vote for equal rights to marriage, then they get it.
The state are the ones htat marry us, declared us born, declare us dead and where our votes are directly tabulted.
The feds have grown beyond their scope and capability and should stay with defense, borders and marine, international issues, and intersate highways. Outside of providgin guidance to the states, many agency programs should be delegated to the state who know what their particular and community issues are more than some analyst in DC.
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teron678
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01:48 PM on 08/17/2011
For the last time Paul is not Pro-Gay Rights ... He just doesn't want the Fed passing Laws supporting/opposing gay rights ...

Paul would have no objections with states passing laws discriminating against gays ..

As I've said before Paul's Policies/Stances stem from his h8 for the Federal Government.

He opposes the war on drugs pushed by the Federal Government .. but would have no issue with states passing laws banning ganja etc ...
12:45 AM on 08/20/2011
Exactly what is wrong with this? We can get into arguements about statism all day long, and if you want to argue that we can.

But if we follow the line of thinking in this country then a State has the right to pass laws of the people choosing. State gov't is more localized and more easily molded into what the people in that State want. If you dont like the laws in said state, move to another state where the majorities views fall more in line with your personal philosphy.

Unfortunately, there is no place on this planet where I can practice my personal philosphy of a state free society. A gun is a gun anyway you look at it. Having the Fed point the gun or the State point the gun doesnt really matter, its still a gun.
02:25 AM on 08/21/2011
You are wrong. He prefers govt s out of marriage all together. Also, there is nothing in his past/present that he would not object to laws that discriminate against groups of people. He is against collectivism in all its forms.

He also sees the slippery slope when the govt works outside the Constitutional framework.
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12:40 AM on 08/17/2011
I am looking for one good reason to vote in the Democratic primary. Someone show me where a primary involves a real race between a progressive and a blue dog. I'll see if I can move to that district: http://progressivesforronpaul.blogspot.com/2011/08/what-president-could-do-to-get-me-back.html
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mjc
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12:38 PM on 08/17/2011
A Democratic primary for president? You'll look long and hard without results I think...unfortunately.
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Cornelius F Brantley Jr
11:12 PM on 08/17/2011
My point is there is no good reason for most progressives to vote in a Democratic primary so let's make a mess of the GOP convention by voting for Ron Paul in the GOP primaries.
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SkreetGil1
Obama changes: Not me, not ever
09:11 PM on 08/16/2011
Ron Paul...NO THANKS!

If you support Private Prisons and the fact that they are totally ripping off the American tax payer then vote for him. That's exactly what libertarians want. Private ownership. If you can't pay then get away.

He says he doesn't "believe" in evolution.

And everyone gets to live free and make up their own minds, but, women.

Women will have less rights as men.

No. Can't play with it, can't win with it, can't do it.
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Maximo Ugmo
Opinionated Snark, with sentiment open to doubt...
10:35 PM on 08/16/2011
Wow skreet you really are lost...please site one fact...Hyperbole is the rant of the uneducated.
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SkreetGil1
Obama changes: Not me, not ever
10:19 PM on 08/17/2011
Here is just one site to check out: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/politics/paul.newsletters_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS

He's against women's rights and doesn't think that single women should be able to use birth control.
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=ron_pauls_abortion_rhetoric

He wants to get rid of all public services so no more post office, schools, library's, police or fire department.

You think these private companies are going to charge you less, like insurance companies do today, for these services? Ha! And yes he supports private companies doing these functions. Private prisons are his dream. He wants everything privatized.

Not to mention public schools. He wants to get rid of them too and make all schools private. So if you can't afford to pay then you don't get educated.

Have you ever read his views?

He also stated that he would not have voted for segregation. He believes that if a company wants to discriminate then they have the right to do so.
http://www.ohioverticals.com/blogs/akron_law_cafe/2011/05/ron-pauls-position-against-civil-rights-act-of-1964-and-against-segregation-laws/

You really need to research your candidates before you stand on your soap box.
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SkreetGil1
Obama changes: Not me, not ever
11:18 PM on 08/17/2011
I wrote a very detailed reply. HP choose not to post it.

They probably won't post this either.

Just do some research there are many links:

http://tinyurl.com/4235a32
http://tinyurl.com/3v2vh6x
http://tinyurl.com/3src8js
08:45 AM on 09/12/2011
Point is there would about a 60% reduction in prison population if Paul is elected. You must of missed his repudiation of the War and Drugs AND the legislation he co sponsored with Frank . He also points out how that War on Drugs has negatively impacted minority communities. And how it has trashed Mexico too.

But lets continue the empowerment of the Federal government to do these things...... What, we've blown about $1 Trillion on this idiocy. That's OK though. The goal is more powerful and intrusive government.
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Josh Weinberg
07:34 PM on 08/16/2011
Ron Paul's ideal America would be Bioshock, with Jeebus added. Lately, I am so disappointed in many of my "progressive" friends for drinking this guy's Kool Aid. I can understand being disillusioned with the status quo. I can understand wanting to end the drug war and the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. But throwing your support behind a racist religious fundamentalist with a 100% anti-environment, pro-business interests voting record strikes me as naive at best, and disgustingly selfish at worst.
07:02 AM on 08/17/2011
Perhaps they've done more research than you? Ron Paul is non of things you say, except pro-business, and pro-business is pro-jobs.
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CSConradEsq
I am so enjoying watching Mitt self-destruct!!!
09:58 AM on 08/17/2011
Yes, Pro Business is Pro Jobs -- except that those jobs are in Brazil, India and China.
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Trekkiefandom
Truth, happiness, Liberty, and freedom of all
05:11 PM on 08/17/2011
He is doing so because of the fact that no democrat or liberal can run against Obama. He has many republican ideals on his website and throughout his voting history. I don't understand why he is kool-aid either, against Abortion, want to take free-thinking judges out of courts so anti-abortion laws can't be contested, he is for low taxes, small government.
He is a republican through and through, my dad said look into his history, and as a liberal, I can't say I am finding any appealing about the guy or why he was ever considered a liberal.
pharmmajor
proud Libertarian.
06:10 PM on 08/16/2011
I'd suggest voting for Gary Johnson instead. He's got Ron Paul's libertarian ideologies, but toned-down to a non-crazy level.
05:48 PM on 08/17/2011
Can’t let you get away with that line, be specific in your charge of “crazy”, otherwise you are just another name calling intellectually bankrupt hack…
06:07 PM on 08/16/2011
That's a great pic of Congressman Paul. Compare that to the average pic of the president. Preference? Even Perry gets better photos.
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Maximo Ugmo
Opinionated Snark, with sentiment open to doubt...
10:43 PM on 08/16/2011
If you look at photos of presidential aspirants to develop an opinion of their politics you surely are intellectually challenged. You should go back to your Dick and Jane coloring books...
01:50 PM on 08/17/2011
I don't think he does, Maximo, but he knows many people do, which is why he was complaining. Why take his words out of context?
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Nick Lyons
ENDTHEFED
05:48 AM on 08/26/2011
I guess HuffPo has realized most of their normal users are intellectually challenged
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01:24 AM on 08/18/2011
1st they deny him , 2nd, they post a horrible photo of him...what the hell are they trying to hide.
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03:37 PM on 08/16/2011
Everybody is sick and tired of the secrets and lies and money stealing the feds are doing. People are sick and tired of watching their kids get groped at the airports. EVERYONE IS SICK AND TIRED OF THE STATUS QUO. I don't consider myself a democrat or republican. Whoever has the best message and a REAL birth certificate and is NOT part of the STATUS Quo is who I am voting for. That would definately be DR RON PAUL. The troops have all spoken and he is their man. If he is good enough for the troops, he is my man too!
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PS Nymn
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03:40 PM on 08/16/2011
The troops are sick of fighting. I don't blame them. If I were in the armed services right now, I would throw my support behind Ron Paul, too.
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darth leroy
white-trash genius and renaissance man
08:51 PM on 08/17/2011
They threw their monetary support behind him in the last election by an overwhelming margin as well.
04:43 PM on 08/16/2011
I think you've been smoking too much, Granny. In fact, I think that's the only reason you're backing RP - for the weed.

BTW - the burther schtick is bow ring.
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Blaine Knapp
Semper Fidelis
10:56 AM on 08/17/2011
Maybe you could smoke something for your glaucoma so that you could read the news. He receives more money from the military than any other candidate for the past two presidential election cycles.
03:06 PM on 08/16/2011
Ron Paul...REAL hope and change....Go Dr. Paul !!!
04:33 PM on 08/16/2011
Yes. Go wRong Paul! Go back to TX and stay there.
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SkreetGil1
Obama changes: Not me, not ever
09:16 PM on 08/16/2011
I'm with you!
01:22 PM on 08/17/2011
Don't be discouraged by the Haters!
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kolach
03:01 PM on 08/16/2011
It's quite amusing how many Obama supporters are afraid of real change when it comes walking through the door beating the same drum for decades.
04:35 PM on 08/16/2011
I'm afraid that wRong Paul might get 15 delegates this time around.
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had410
Sorry GOP/ Gary Johnson 2012
05:41 PM on 08/17/2011
one thing is certian, he will get more delagates than you have fans!
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08:14 PM on 09/04/2011
yeah.. I don't think he'll get higher than 3rd in any primary, what state do you think he has the greatest chance?

1. That the UN is merging Canada, Mexico and the US.
2. That 1964 Civil Right bill should be repealed.
3. That apartheid is good policy and that South Africa is worse for repealing it.
4. That any woman who gets abortions (including rape victims) is a murderer.
5. That our country would be better if the fed. Government acted as if it were 1900. Keep in mind that women could not vote in 1900.
6. In his news letter wrote “Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the ‘criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
7. That the country would be better off without the Dept. of Education, FDA, and EPA.
8. He owned a coin shop for 12 years.
9. That it’s appropriate and has to take financial campaign contributions from white surpremists.
10. Being a John Birch Society key note speaker is ok.
11. Getting fooled into signing a release for the movie Bruno by Sacha Baron Cohen in no ways says anything about his judgment.