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What 'Fat Talk' Does For Your Body Image

Fat Talk

First Posted: 08/19/11 09:32 AM ET Updated: 10/19/11 06:12 AM ET

By Nadia Goodman for youbeauty.com

“These jeans make me look fat!”

“I wish I had your thighs.”

“My diet starts tomorrow!”

Fat talking -- the tendency to make negative comments about our bodies -- is a tried-and-true staple of female culture. Today, researchers are just beginning to study why we do it, and how it affects the way we feel about our bodies and ourselves.

In the early 90s, anthropologist Mimi Nichter, Ph.D., unexpectedly stumbled onto fat talk while she was studying teen girls. During a series of focus groups, she noticed that they all reported a familiar ritual: One girl would say, “I feel so fat,” and the other would respond with, "You're not fat!" The exchange was a normal part of daily life; the girls repeated it over and over throughout the day.

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Once Nichter started listening for fat talk (a term she coined), she realized the ritual was commonplace, peppering many women’s conversations.

Chances are, you’re one of those women.

Meet the Fat Talkers
A 2011 study published in the Psychology of Women Quarterly found that an “overwhelming majority of women” -- 93 percent to be exact -- reported engaging in fat talk. A third of them reported fat talking frequently.

“Fat talk is everywhere,” says Nichter. Mothers say it to daughters; daughters say it to mothers; girlfriends say it to boyfriends; friends say it to friends. We hear it on TV, read it in magazines and overhear it on the street. Once you notice it, it really is everywhere.

Surprisingly, most women who fat talk aren’t fat.

In fact, most of the women who report frequent fat talking are a normal, healthy weight. Heavier women do feel pressure to join in when their friends are fat talking, but actually participating may hit too close to home.

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Fat talking is about feeling fat, whether that means feeling bloated, out of shape, guilty for eating dessert or frustrated about not looking as thin and toned as Gwyneth Paltrow (who, btw, fat talks too).

“Fat talk may also be a metaphor for feeling down,” says Nichter. Just like you have a bad hair day when you wake up on the wrong side of the bed, you can have a fat day.

So far, most of the research has been done on college women, but preliminary surveys and personal stories suggest that older women fat talk too.

To hear them, just step into a dressing room.

Chelsea Tyler, a private wardrobe stylist who works with women in their late 40s and early 50s, hears fat talk all the time. “Women will say, ‘Look at how big my thighs look’ or ‘I feel like this top is too tight’ when it actually creates a flattering silhouette,” she says. “Most of the time, I think women fat talk when they’re not sure how to dress for their bodies.” Tyler believes that if you can teach someone to flatter their body, you can stem the flow of fat talk.

Still, fat talk plays a role in many female friendships and may not be so easily ended by a curve-kissing, killer dress.

Bonding Over Body-Bashing
Body dissatisfaction is common among women, and researchers believe that fat talking may be a way to express that we all share those feelings of insecurity. “Fat talk is a way for women to bond with their friends,” says Nichter. “It shows vulnerability.”

Since fat talk expresses a soft spot, opting out may come off as insensitive.

A woman who responds that she’s confident and satisfied with her body risks being seen as unempathetic at best, arrogant at worst, says Engeln-Maddox.

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In the second episode of the popular television show “Sex and the City” -- known as the “modelizers” episode about men who only date models -- a magazine photo prompts the women to start listing off their physical flaws. Charlotte hates her thighs, Miranda would love to trade her chin and Carrie is none too pleased with her nose. Only Samantha bucks the trend saying, “I happen to love the way I look.”

In an unpublished study, Engeln-Maddox showed that scene to male and female undergraduates and asked them to choose their favorite character. The men chose Samantha, hands down.

The women, however, found her confidence less appealing. They chose Carrie because she was willing to participate in the fat talking, but called out the irony that, in her words, “four beautiful flesh and blood women could be intimidated by some unreal fantasy.” In fact, Samantha was their least favorite because she seemed too self-assured and didn’t support her friends.

A 2009 study published in Body Image found slightly different results. College students who read short vignettes about fat talk preferred a woman who spoke positively about her body. However, they believed that other women would prefer the fat talkers, possibly suggesting why women may hesitate to break the mold.

“That was a very refreshing finding,” says co-author Denise Martz, Ph.D., professor of psychology at Appalachian State University. “Fat talk reinforces negativity and critique among women, so perhaps we think it’s normal and expected but don’t really like seeing it.”

Words Can Bring You Down
We often think of fat talk as fairly harmless, especially when it’s said in jest (“This bagel is going straight to my thighs!”), but research suggests that it may be more harmful than we think.

“Fat talk seems to have unintended consequences,” says Engeln-Maddox. “Women think it will make them feel better, but it actually seems to make them feel worse.”

Opening up to a friend about negative feelings is a perfectly healthy way to cope, but expressing those feelings by fat talking is not. Research suggests that people who fat talk often have higher body dissatisfaction and may be more at risk for eating disordered behavior.

Fat talk may be particularly distressing for people who are actually overweight.

“Imagine you’re a woman who has a real struggle with weight and you overhear two thin women talking about how fat they feel,” says Engeln-Maddox. “As one of our study participants wrote, ‘If you’re fat, then what am I?’”

Women report widespread pressure to be thin, even thinner than men find attractive. “Weight, body size and body shape are too often a measure of worth among women,” says Nichter. To feel gorgeous and confident -- worthy no matter what your size -- get fat talk out of your lexicon.

Is the End of Fat Talk in Sight?
At Northwestern University, the girls in Delta Delta Delta sorority (known as “Tri Delt”) spend one week every year going totally fat talk free. The girls spread awareness on campus, counter friends’ mealtime fat talk with a breezy “Fat talk free!” and even have stickers on the mirrors in their sorority house that say, “Friends don’t let friends talk fat.”

They’re part of a national campaign, Fat Talk Free® Week, that educates sorority members about the negative effects of fat talk and encourages them to focus on health instead of weight or pant size. “We work with women all over the country to educate them about how to change the conversation,” says Stacy Nadeau, national Fat Talk Free® Week spokesperson and former model for the Dove Real Bodies campaign.

The intervention might only last a week, but the girls’ new awareness persists.

Just last week, Elizabeth Henderson, a senior political science major at Northwestern University and organizer of the Tri Delt Fat Talk Free® week, was watching TV with her girlfriends when an ad came on for Victoria’s Secret. The fat talk was immediate: One girl said, “I’m not going to eat for a week after this,” while another chimed in with, “I ran three extra miles today.”

Henderson called them out. “I just said, guys, this is ridiculous,” she remembers. She admits that it’s hard to take a stand when it’s your friends, but she finds it easier now that fat talk awareness is part of their lives.

Just the awareness helps, Henderson says. “I’m not going to say I never feel bad about my body or fat talk, but now I realize what I’m doing and I can get back to a good place.”

The program doesn’t directly measure its success, but Engeln-Maddox is happy to see interventions like “no fat talk” tables in sorority cafeterias. “It’s really taking a stand,” she says.
In Engeln-Maddox’s dream world, women would spend less time worrying about their physical appearance and more time engaged with the world around them. “I want women to focus on the health and strength of their bodies,” she says. “On what their bodies can do instead of how they appear.”

That’s a pretty appealing aspiration.

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11:55 AM on 08/28/2011
I know this sounds terrible, but I love fat talking because it's one of those things that all women can relate to. We all have insecurities and we all feel too big sometimes regardless of our size. It might actually be healthy, as long as it doesn't get personal and no one really believes what they're saying. We do it ALL the time in high school, but especially on facebook. On girl will take the best picture she can of herself, photoshop it to make it look perfect, post it with the caption "ew look how gross i am" or something of that nature. This goes into the digging for complements zone, which is so frigging annoying. Then one of her little friends will be like "omg no ur so pretty im the fat ugly one :(:(" and they will say "nooooooo lol ur so skinny" and it goes on and on... Point is, it's only annoying if you're looking in on it.
02:18 AM on 08/26/2011
I highly recommend this movie to all women.. about self image in america

http://www.hulu.com/watch/198883/america-the-beautiful

http://americathebeautifuldoc.com/
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Mae Blue
06:03 PM on 08/23/2011
what i can't stand is when people are very thing and start doing the fat talk thing, expecially around people who really are indeed over wieght, I alway feel trapped when that happens, some times I let it go, other times I tell them to cut it out.
08:51 PM on 08/22/2011
Women, we need to begin to see ourselves as beautiful first and realize that we can achieve this at any size. Then we can work on the important thing-- being healthy-- instead of entering into a physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually unhealthy cycle as fad dieting, calorie-counting obsessed self-haters, who will this degenerative mindset to their daughters. Confidence and self-love are SEXY AS HELL and contribute to a healthier mindset and lifestyle overall. And health and beauty does not come in a one-size-fits-all package.
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05:59 PM on 08/22/2011
With my work hours I eat McDonald's breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I have 5% body fat and I think I look ok. Might not be the best choice tho. I actually save money rather than blowing it.
04:32 PM on 08/25/2011
You're joking, right?
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05:01 PM on 08/25/2011
Not joking at all. Besides the last sentence. I eat out everyday. Wendy's, BK, MD's, etc.
02:14 AM on 08/26/2011
What does this have to do with an article about body image?
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syds180turn
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05:08 PM on 08/22/2011
In this media obsessed society we unfortunately live in, we are constantly bombarded with people telling us that something is wrong. Be it weight, height, hair color, education, where you live, your career...doesn't matter...you're just a complete mess. But weight and dieting has gotten to the point of a diagnosed mental illness. When I go to the gym, I see young women and even older women who are so skinny that if you brushed by them lightly, they'd fall flat on their faces. They're on those treadmills and elliptical cycles when you get to the gym and when you leave the gym. With some of them, you can actually see their collar bones, ribs and don't get me started on those toothpicks called legs. And for goodness sake, don't even listen to their conversations...it's equally fascinating, repulsive and sad. One young woman had come to the gym that morning, had some garlic bread at lunch and was back to work it off that evening....my question was and still is...work off what? She looked like she hadn't eaten since the 90's. yes I know obesity is a problem, ut you cant go through your entire life obsessing on weight and becoming fat. some people just don't have the DNA to be skinny.
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360Dunk
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03:14 PM on 08/22/2011
Concerned wife: 'Honey, does this dress make my butt look fat?'

Husband on the truth serum sodium pentothol: 'No dear, eating bacon double cheeseburgers makes your butt look fat.'
03:38 PM on 08/22/2011
Funny and true.
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3Nox
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12:23 AM on 08/23/2011
Do men ever really get asked that question? I've always been curious!
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360Dunk
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10:13 AM on 08/23/2011
Our job is to go out and club an animal for dinner, not to gussy up and look our best.
02:49 PM on 08/22/2011
Over 35% of the US population is obese? That isn't just over weight, that means excessively over weight. That is sad. Does that mean they are lazy? Don't mean to sound insensitive, but I really doubt that percentage of people have mental issues to the point of being unable to watch what they eat or take 15 minutes a day for a good walk/run. Absurd. Enough excuses..there are so many resources and help easily available to assist anyone on proper nutrition, avoid fast food, etc etc.. the list goes on. Take charge of your own life everyone, or get a buddy to do it with. End of the story..
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Brittany Lock
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11:34 PM on 08/22/2011
No, it doesn't mean they're lazy. There are several different things that factor into a person's weight: genetics, physical and mental conditions, and socio-economic problems. And some are just happy the way they are. Taking charge of one's life doesn't mean that they need to be thin.
08:47 AM on 08/23/2011
You don't need to be thin, and I agree it's about being happy. But being happy isn't going to keep you healthy, especially as you age. There are still no excuses, not for today. We are totally responsible for what we eat and how we teach our children to eat. Regardless of the factors that you mentioned, we don't gain weight without intake of food. Any type of medical condition would be immediately diagnosed. You cannot live with thyroid problems, for example, and not be aware of it. It feels like you're having a heart attack. Fruits and vegetables are sold anywhere and everywhere, regardless of one's socioeconomic status. Sorry, I'm not budging on this one. Help is out there..
12:43 PM on 08/22/2011
I didn't know how much I did this and how annoying it was to other people until my daughter turned 13. She was going through that awkward phase and really let me have it every time I complained about being fat. I then realized that fat talk made me look narcissistic and dumb to people who actually had weight problems. I have been in better shape than now - but complaining about five pounds is actually ridiculous, so I have stopped doing it.
11:41 AM on 08/22/2011
I was in the supermarket the other day. This very happy, talkative older Italian women was looking at my carriage, (filled to the brim), I quickly told her it was for a month. I was so afraid she was going to look at me, then my carriage then........The truth is, I hate shopping. Anyway, she continued to tell me what a pretty woman I was and how much she liked my outfit, I had on my scruffiest clothes that day. Being overweight, I smiled and was friendly, but having plenty of older ladies in my life who like to say things as they see them, I wanted to run before the dreaded,"You are so pretty for a large woman." She never said it. I was feeling good after that, and walked down another isle, and there were these hugely tall guys, not fat, just big guys. One was looking me over........I have to say, I don't know if I was imagining it after the elderly womans complement, or what, but I went home feeling a little skinnier that day! LOL!

By the way, I learned, if you want to feel skinnier, hanging around those who are almost blind, and those who are bigger than you, and I don't mean just fatter, will do the trick. :)

This coming from the woman who knows both sides of skinny and fat.
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11:29 AM on 08/22/2011
I know plenty of people that are very thing and still think they are fat or complain about having to lose 5 pounds! Even worse is when a thin NON THINKING person complaing about being fat in front of a very large person! That's like me complaining about having ONE ZIT to a person who has a face and back full of them! It's RUDE and stupid! Another thing I hate is when two women get together and start asking each other how they stay so thin.. I overheard one say she never sits down and then the other says in agreement Ohhhh like that's the trick to being thin that they'll try to use on themselves. It's sick! Everyone should just be happy with themselves but because some people are so unhappy with their lives they feel the need to pick at something on themself for validation or maybe they are searching out one positive comment for the day. Maybe those people NEVER hear they are pretty or smart or special? All I know is I wouldn't complain about how much my feet hurt to a person who has no feet!
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Keith Magee
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11:18 AM on 08/22/2011
Frankly, I think women often say things that are obvisouly not true (a nice shaped woman complaining about being "fat') just to get a compliment... "Oh you're not fat - you look great!"...

On the other hand, when my own wife began to actually get plump and stared to ask "do I look fat" I learned the best answer is an honest response... I didn't want to give here a free ticket to just keep gaining weight by saying "you look perfect"... so I respond "Sure, -you are gaining weight, we all do at our age - but compared to other women your age, you look great". It reinforces that if you are concerned about your weight, then do something about it...

I'm certainly not going to lie to her and tell her she looks just like she did when we got married 19 years ago, but the subject doesn't come up unless she initiates it...

OK - let the 'insensitive husband' bashing begin...
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sabelmouse
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11:48 AM on 08/22/2011
and now you want us to tell you you're not insensitive , right ? personally i find nothing offensive in your comment.
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Keith Magee
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11:58 AM on 08/22/2011
GREAT point!
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debnran
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12:10 PM on 08/22/2011
Well, what did SHE say? You do know that you could have ended that whole conversation with this comment: "Honey, you are the most beautiful woman in the world to me, and you don't need to change a thing." which is basically what she was looking for.

You men sometimes don't get that when a woman has to resort to fishing for a compliment from you that they are looking for your approval, or even that you notice them. How more obtuse can you be? What I want to know is how you'd feel if YOU were the one who asked, do I look fat? And she answered the way you did?
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11:15 AM on 08/22/2011
I am a true believer that if we did not obsess about our wieght, the majority of those who are very overwieght would only be a few pounds over what they want to be. Most of the time that is not even 'fat' since we have an unrealistic idea of what we should weigh these days. Once you feel out of control, and it can begin as little as 5-10 pds. many get so depressed, they eat more than they would normally, had they just said, "Oh, well, that's not so bad." The worst part is they stop excersizing. For ex: afraid to ride their bike, worrying someone might say, "look at that fat butt!." I see this over and over. We need to stop obsessing over weight. This starts at the advertising level. Which of course means it will not stop. Weight is a big money maker, whether you are overweight or not. There is always a way to make money off the insecurity of a person.
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debnran
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12:13 PM on 08/22/2011
You hit the nail on the head. There will always be someone who is overweight because our bodies are individual. The real issue is not what's overweight - as long as there is more than one person in the world there will be more than one opinion about what is overweight. The real issue is when the weight becomes a health issue. So if a woman is heavy but doesn't have health issues from it, it's ok. A 5 foot woman and a 6 foot woman weighing the same will look widely different.
08:37 PM on 08/22/2011
There is much truth in this statement, I agree. It is terrible for women in societies such as ours that brainwashes girls and women from birth into believing that their sexual appeal to the opposite sex is equal to their worth as human beings. It is heartbreaking. I really do believe that if we focused less on size and weight, we could be more healthy overall as a society.
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PKJ1980
09:55 AM on 08/22/2011
Watch the movie "Shallow Hal"
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03:10 PM on 08/22/2011
Thanks a lot - now I can't get 'Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes' out of my head.
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William Anderson LMHC
Licensed Psychotherapist, Weight Control Expert
09:36 AM on 08/20/2011
This is a very worthwhile subject for everyone to look at. The self-talk and self-image we engage in has a hypnotic-like effect on us unconsciously, causing feelings and behaviors that create what we've "forecast" and imagined. I successfully teach people to solve their weight problem using Behavioral Medicine and Cognitive Behavior Therapy, which in part teaches people to change these destructive patterns of thinking and speaking, so that rather than automatically gaining weight, they automatically get healthier. I lost 140 lbs with Behavior Medicine and 'The Anderson Method', have kept it off for over 25 years, and now train other therapists as well as clients in these methods. This is a great article you've written. Promoting this movement toward a "Fat Talk Free' culture will help lots of people. Keep it up!

William Anderson LMHC
Author of 'The Anderson Method - Secrets of Permanent Weight Loss'
Blog: http://theandersonmethodblog.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/how-does-spot-reducing-work-how-can-i-get-rid-of-belly-fat-or-arm-flaps/
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Brittany Lock
A fellow of the strangest mind in the world
11:56 PM on 08/20/2011
I went to your website, and when I read, "Being overweight is one of the most difficult and life threatening problems a human being can face," I immediately thought you were absolutely ridiculous.
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William Anderson LMHC
Licensed Psychotherapist, Weight Control Expert
08:26 AM on 08/22/2011
You must have no experience with it or patients who suffer it.
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William Anderson LMHC
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08:50 AM on 08/22/2011
Obesity (being quite overweight) is the second leading cause of preventable early death in the U.S., just behind smoking. Over 35% of the U.S. population is obese. Over 70 % of the U.S. population is clinically overweight, rapidly becoming obese. Of those who attempt to lose weight, counting all attempts, only 3% are able to lose weight and keep it off, solving their obesity problem. These are the facts. Being overweight is very lethal, life-threatening and very difficult to change. Being overweight is one of the most life threatening and difficult problems a human being can face.
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