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Beloit College Mindset List: The Internet Is Older Than Incoming College Freshmen

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First Posted: 08/23/2011 8:08 am Updated: 10/24/2011 5:12 am

MILWAUKEE -- Mention Amazon to the incoming class of college freshmen and they are more likely to think of shopping than the South American river. PC doesn't stand for political correctness and breaking up on Facebook is more common than any more personal encounter.

These are among the 75 references on this year's Beloit College Mindset List, a compilation intended to remind teachers that college freshmen born mostly in 1993 see the world in a much different way: They fancied pogs and Tickle Me Elmo toys as children, watched televisions that never had dials and their lives have always been like a box of chocolates.

Once upon a time, relatives of the current generation swore never to trust anyone over the age of 30. This group could argue: Never trust anyone older than the Net.

The college's compilation, released Tuesday, is assembled each year by two officials at the private school in southeastern Wisconsin. It also has evolved into a national phenomenon, a cultural touchstone that entertains even as it makes people wonder where the years have gone.

Remember when the initials LBJ referred to President Lyndon B. Johnson? Today, according to the list, they make teenagers think of NBA star LeBron James. And speaking of NBA legends, these kids didn't want to be like Mike. They fawned over Shaq and Kobe.

In their lifetimes, Major League Baseball has always had three divisions plus wild-card playoff teams, and every state has always observed Martin Luther King Day. The "yadda, yadda, yadda" generation that's been quoting Seinfeld since they were old enough to talk also has always seen women serve as U.S. Supreme Court justices and command U.S. Navy ships.

Then there's OJ Simpson. These students were still in diapers when the former NFL star began searching for the killers of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman.

"Hmm, I know there was some scandal about him," said Alex Keesey, 18, an incoming freshman from Beloit. "I think it was robbery or murder, maybe both."

Comments like that can be a little jarring to older folks who imagine that everyone knows about the Simpson murder trial and subsequent acquittal. But if the generation gap has you down, get used to it. The list's authors note that technology has only accelerated the pace of change and further compressed the generational divide.

Older Americans who read previous Mindset Lists felt that life was moving too quickly, list author Ron Nief said, and now even younger people share that sentiment.

"I talk to people in their early 30s and they're telling me they can't keep up with all the advances," Nief said.

Nief's co-author, English professor Tom McBride, predicts the trend will only accelerate.

"If you look at the jump from email to texting, or from email to Facebook, it's been faster than the jump from typing to computers," McBride said. "These generational gaps are getting smaller."

Still not feeling old? Consider this: Andre the Giant, River Phoenix and Frank Zappa all died before these students were born. They don't know what a Commodore 64 was, and they don't understand why Boston barflies would ever shout, "Norm!"

Oh, and Ferris Bueller could be their father.

But the list isn't intended to serve as a cultural tombstone, its authors say, contending that the compilation also serves a practical purpose.

McBride and Nief say the main lesson professors should take from this year's list is that their incoming students have never lived in a world without the Internet. From the moment these kids were able to reach a tabletop, their fingertips probably were brushing against computers plugged into the World Wide Web.

And while that was largely true for the last few classes as well, the authors say teachers need to be extra-vigilant about where this year's students are going for information.

The Internet is great for finding facts, McBride says, but there's a big difference between facts and the knowledge that comes from understanding context behind the facts. He advises professors to teach how to supplement Internet searches with library research in scholarly journals, and to remind freshmen to dig beyond the first page or two of Google search results.

Sara Ballesteros, an 18-year-old freshman from South Beloit, said she's confident she knows how to do legitimate Internet research, by relying more on websites that end in ".edu" or ".gov" than in ".com" or ".org."

She also opined that adults worry too much about kids' Internet habits. She referred to item No. 7 on the Mindset List: "As they've grown up on websites and cellphones, adult experts have constantly fretted about their alleged deficits of empathy and concentration."

"For older people who think we use the Internet way too much for bad things, it really depends on the person, on their beliefs and ideals," she said. "Technology can be used in good ways. But adults don't always understand that."

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04:10 AM on 08/27/2011
The WEB is older than the class of 2015! The Internet is older than the class of '93. Look it up! The internet is a useful place to find facts like that!
05:56 PM on 08/24/2011
It's not just technology that's different about this generation - it's also cultural norms. Atheism and agnosticism are increasingly common. Homosexuality is much better accepted. Despite the decline in graduating seniors since the recent peak, more are applying to college (and most don't even bother with paper applications anymore - long gone are the days when students would rip open mail to see whether they got in). Things like graduation and moving to a different state aren't the bitter affairs that they were before, given the communication methods of today.

A scary but exciting thought: these changes are only accelerating.
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Mr Anonymous
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11:03 PM on 08/23/2011
Let me just recap the entire thread for anyone that has just seen it.

Young people - old people are scared of change and can't keep up.

Old people - young people aren't smart and can't interact with anyone in person.
09:09 PM on 08/23/2011
I learned how to drive on a Buick Dynaflow. I could type 80 wpm and a phone cost a dime just down the hall. I enjoy the comparisons. Now, at the mature age of _____, I am still working with student part time and loving every minute of it. Not because of what I can teach or advise them about but because of what I can learn from them. True, many speak too rapidly, garble their words and look to a machine to communicate. So What! When they start to relax, they not only listen, they like to interact. I hope I can continue to "wax lyrically" with young students for another bunch of years. Pardon my being maudlin or some such. Cheers everyone, and the same to you youngsters too.
04:54 PM on 08/23/2011
Poorly written. I'm going to a freshman. I was born in 93. About the OJ reference. I am completely well aware of that scandal and everything that happened. I'm pretty sure 90% of the kids I went to school with know about it thoroughly. The person interviewed was obviously ignorant.

And then I want to point out how this article seems to try to make me feel guilty about my age and the time in which I've grown up. Pardon me for worshipping Kobe instead of Michael Jordan. Yes, my generation has grown up knowing the greatness of Jordan and honestly falling into the marketing scheme behind his name, but we grew up in a time where Shaq and Kobe were "the guys." Anyways, I don't agree with a lot that this article has to say.
06:51 PM on 08/23/2011
Yeah, what gives? I know that TVs had dials at some point, that PC usually means political correctness, I get Cheers references, and I sure as heck know what a Commodore 64 was. We're young, not mentally handicapped. And yeah, I'm aware that the internet is a great way to be a generalist, not an expert, but you can't become an expert by reading a few papers either. I think the question here is: is the current generation dumber, or is the previous one just scared and angry about their non-involvement in today's progress? I'm guessing the latter.
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jenkait
Elizabeth Warren for President!
04:42 AM on 08/24/2011
Every generation trashes others, it's sad.
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04:09 PM on 08/23/2011
I think the class of 2013 should get to know their state welfare office quite well.
03:49 PM on 08/23/2011
The Mindset List is highly inaccurate. The 2005 list says most students starting college this fall were born in 1983. And then the 2010 list says they have only known two presidents. George H. W. Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush....
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03:25 PM on 08/23/2011
That's shocking, especially when you're older than TV.
03:20 PM on 08/23/2011
I just checked out their full list at http://www.beloit.edu/mindset/2015/.

What am I supposed to make of question #21: "They’ve always gone to school with Mohammed and Jesus"?

Pardon?...
03:51 PM on 08/23/2011
Buwhaha, what is that supposed to mean? I think it is supposed to mean that back in the ole' days (lol) children grew up learning only about Christianity in America, and weren't all that exposed to other cultures or religions, unless of course they were apart of that religion, but mostly children were taught and followed all Christian principles and ideas in public schools. Today's generation now has grown up with religious followings and principles taken out of school, and learning about different religions, including Islam? But really I know that it not what they truly meant. What they meant was "Islam is a terrifying religion that is all about war and murder, and before our wonderful American children never had to be exposed to such inhuman, and horrifying people, but in this day and age, our precious children are being forced to learn about the religion, and to conform and accept the nasty immigrant pack rats of disgusting Muslems flooding and taking over our countries...ain't times changed" But I am a positive person and I will ignore what they truly meant, and simply take it that the generation of now have had the opportunity to learn and study other culures and religions and have more compassion and understanding for those who are different from them.
05:08 PM on 08/23/2011
My knee jerk reaction to this short (yet vaguely bold) sentence had me thinking that it meant that kids now are more used to being in classrooms with students of Central American and Islamic backgrounds. I thought it was a strange addition to the collection, as it is a far less flippant add-in than the rest of their list represents, and if they really needed to put it in there, that they'd do it in a less "[attempt at] humorous" way. I'm with you, however, in hoping that our younger generations are not so quick to fear and judge cultures that they do not personally associate nor incline themselves with. Here's to our shared positivity!
07:01 PM on 08/23/2011
actually, i think what they mean is something a lot more simple. they went to school at a time when muslim and hispanic immigrant kids were pretty common in the classroom, as Mohammed and Jesus are common first names for the two groups, respectively... or maybe they're actually referring to the teaching of world religions in history class
06:53 PM on 08/23/2011
And thank (whoever you believe in) for that. I don't see what's so great about a generation that is ignorant to other religions. I believe less and less when they say that things were so much better in the past. (Except college costs. Those were awesome and cheap.)
03:18 PM on 08/23/2011
But the cannot spell, write or speak...the have to communicate, date, etc on a computer. Face to face scares them.
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coalman987
I'm so not sarcastic
03:27 PM on 08/23/2011
You misspelled "they" as "the" not once but twice. Normally I ignore such silly things but since you're claiming we can't "spell, write or speak" well just thought I'd point out that you're really quite wrong and you shouldn't generalize an entire group of people as being scared of speaking face to face. It's college, you're going to speak face to face with a person whether you want to or not.
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04:36 PM on 08/23/2011
Just throwing this out there for those in and out of college, it's "face-to-face."
Vinnster
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03:15 PM on 08/23/2011
"They fancied pogs and Tickle Me Elmo toys as children, watched televisions that never had dials and their lives have always been like a box of chocolates."

No surprise there...it is a Liberal Arts College...
03:43 PM on 08/23/2011
What an irrelevant and nonsensical Comment.
Vinnster
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04:47 PM on 08/23/2011
Honey, go do a survey of a kids the same age majoring in a major that matters like the hard sciences at non-liberal arts college and you will hear they did not spend their childhood that way...
03:11 PM on 08/23/2011
in Response 2 a Comment. "This is the end.Beautiful friend. This is the end. My only friend, the end of our elaborate plans, the end of everything that stands, the end. No safety or surprise, the end. I'll never look into your eyes again. Can you picture what will be. So limitless and free desperately in need of some stranger's hand in a desperate land. Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain, and all the children are insane. All the children are insane."
i call My Generation "the Insane Generation". Music crosses Generations though, as well as All the Arts. LBJ of course is Lyndin B. Johnson. not all of us r TOTALLY ignorant in Historical Terms.
03:57 PM on 08/23/2011
Thank you! I am 17, and in fact within a few days will be turning 18 and I have always been facinated about learning about older generations and history. My grandmother is one of my very good friends, and I adore speaking with her about everything. Actually most people would consider me out of touch with my own generation. I am always behind in new technology, and mostly I find so many things that my generation adores completely useless, I don't watch reality TV shows, I just find it so unbelievably hard to understand the draw people have to watch adults act like children, with more money and horrible values than anyone I have ever met in real life, such as Jersey Shore. That show makes me physically sick... and other's like that. I love reading more, and Little Women is one of my most favorite books. You can't lump all kids as being ignorant, naive, self indulgent, children, because I for one am not.
01:55 AM on 08/24/2011
i agree with Most of what u said. don't Me Started on "Jersey Shore". i can't Knock those on the Show 4 gettin' Money, but the show's Mindless, not even Entertainment. i haven't, and no one has been able 2, found a Pt. 2 the Show. @ least Other Reality Shows have a Storyline or Reason 4 bein' on Air. i mean if i want 2 Watch People get drunk, act like Idiots, and almost be Amoral, i can go 2 a Club, Bar, or on the Street. when Many Older People were Young and acted in ways that were Counter-culture or simply Different, they were clumped 2gether, just like we've been. but, i say "Insane Generation" (in America) and not somethin' entirely False like Generation Z 4 a Reason. those Between the ages 14-21 r of an Entirely Different Breed and Stock than any Generation before us and After us. My Bros' Generation, the 1 before the Insane grew up in the Days of True Gangs, the Aftermath of Crack, and many of the "soldiers" and Innocents bein' slain in the Streets right after the Dawn of a New Era under Generation X. the 2 Generations after Ours Only Know Technology, the WNBA, Cell Phones, I-Pods, MP3s, DSL, and a whole bunch of Other Things that even Shock Me. i say there r 4 Types of People in the "Insane Generation", OUR Generation.
01:55 AM on 08/24/2011
1 has what i call a "90s Mentality". we Think with Thoughts, Feelings, and Ideals of the 90s. We Remember constantly how it used 2 be. we View the World Movin' Too Fast and is Far Too Complex. we Wish 4 Simplicity, Balance, and Real Music. we r Rebels with a Cause. then there's the Intermediates. they just Live however Life takes them thru whatever Twists and Turns without lookin' 2 Change anything. 3rd, u have the Lovers of 2day. that's Self-explainatory. 4th, u have the True Misfits. now, here Me on this 1. Our Generation is Full of Misfits, but this Group is Extreme. i myself have the God-given Ability 2 be among Any Crowd but never be a part of any Crowd. Yet, these Misfits r really Outsider-Totally Unique. they belong "Nowhere". they r what Truly make Our Generation "Insane". they Make us Look Awesome or they Tear us Down. i have Met Many Misfits in My Time among us.
03:07 PM on 08/23/2011
I read somewhere that they have the Internet on computers now!
02:55 PM on 08/23/2011
These are just glaring generalizations. The thing about Cheers is completely inaccurate, as kids watch this show in re-runs. This list is pretty stupid.
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02:36 PM on 08/23/2011
''The Internet is great for finding facts..''
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LOL..

then let's get started:

who is Tim Berners-Lee?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee