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California Circumcision Ban: Lawmakers To Debate The Issue

Circumcision Ban California

By ADAM WEINTRAUB   08/23/11 08:39 PM ET   AP

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A California Senate committee unanimously approved a bill Tuesday to block local jurisdictions from banning male circumcision, a debate that evolved from a divisive ballot measure in San Francisco that would have barred the practice for most boys under age 18.

The Senate Judiciary Committee voted 5-0 for the bill by two Democratic lawmakers that would declare that circumcision – surgically removing the foreskin that covers the tip of the penis – has health, cultural and other benefits, and that uniform statewide rules are needed to govern it and a parent's authority over whether their children receive it.

"It's a medical procedure, and it has value," said Assemblyman Mike Gatto, D-Los Angeles, co-author of AB768. Passing the bill, he told the committee, would prevent a statewide patchwork of laws governing circumcision.

Sen. Noreen Evans, the Santa Rosa Democrat who chairs the committee, said she struggled with the decision on whether to circumcise her son. There is a clear need for a statewide standard that would ensure other parents retain the right to make that choice, she said.

The legislation comes against a national backdrop of efforts to limit male circumcision, which critics say is an unnecessary surgery to a healthy and defenseless child that can cause long-lasting sexual and mental health problems.

Supporters of male circumcision include researchers who say it can reduce the risk of sexually transmitted diseases and cancer, and many Jews and Muslims, for whom the practice is an important religious ritual.

Local ballot measures on the subject interfere with the practice of medicine, said Ryan Spencer, a spokesman for the California Medical Association.

"The decision to perform male circumcision should be left up to the parents in consultation with their physician, wherever they reside," Spencer testified.

Brian Levitt, a San Francisco resident who was circumcised as a child, said the bill's assertion that the practice is beneficial was biased and inaccurate.

"I stand before you as proof that the idea that circumcision definitely has positive bonding, health and sexual benefits is a lie," he testified.

Advocates have tried for years to advance circumcision bans at statehouses across the country with little success. In California, they turned their attention this year to local ballot measures.

The issue drew national attention when backers collected more than 7,700 signatures to put a measure on the November ballot in San Francisco to outlaw the circumcision of most male children. The measure was later rejected by a judge.

San Francisco resident Lloyd Schofield led the effort, which if approved would have made circumcision of boys younger than 18 a misdemeanor except in cases of medical necessity.

That restriction would have been too extreme, said Assemblywoman Fiona Ma, D- San Francisco, co-author of the bill.

"The government and the police should not be in the middle of who should and should not be circumcised," she told the committee.

What would have been the first vote on the practice in a U.S. city became more controversial when the Anti-Defamation League accused proponents of the ban of using anti-Semitic caricatures to support their cause.

A group including Jewish and Muslim San Francisco residents sued in June to block the ballot measure. San Francisco Superior Court Judge Loretta Giorgi on July 28 ordered it struck from the ballot, ruling that California law says only the state, not cities, can regulate medical procedures.

Giorgi also said it violated protections of religious freedom guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution.

If approved by the full Legislature and signed into law, the bill would short-circuit future attempts to pass local laws or ballot initiatives limiting male circumcision on medical or any other basis.

Gatto said that was necessary because Giorgi's ruling could be overturned on appeal. In addition, he said, circumcision of Jewish children is often performed by a religious specialist known as a mohel (also pronounced MOY-el), who might arguably not be included among the "healing arts practitioners" covered by the state law on medical procedures.

Schofield said Tuesday that supporters of the San Francisco measure would decide by Friday whether they will appeal the court ruling.

Gatto and Ma are pursuing a two-thirds majority vote for the bill, which would allow the statewide standard to take effect immediately.

The bill next goes to the full state Senate, where it could be considered as soon as next week.

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Gadgetman
No sense of humor just isn't funny
03:23 AM on 08/30/2011
I was thinking of becoming a Mohel but the tips just weren't big enough.
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FaceTheTruth00
I'm a girl.
01:28 AM on 08/30/2011
Woo! It's a literal dick-measuring contest!

It's interesting that we're seeing comments from both sides, each saying their "way" is better.

So, maybe some men are just fine and dandy with being circed and have an enjoyable sex life.

And maybe there are guys who are uncirced who are happy with their foreskin and their sex life as well.

Maybe that means that there is no one "way" for everyone.
12:09 PM on 09/02/2011
How can circumcised men be " fine and dandy" if they have no idea what they are missing and don't know what it's like to have sex with the foreskin. The think they are fine with what they have because that's all they know and have.
12:43 AM on 09/26/2011
All the more reason to leave it up to the individual to decide, for himself.

This is not a parental decision - it's a personal one.
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sstevens37
I have the right to hate you
05:32 PM on 08/28/2011
I was circumsized as a child, my equipment works just fine, it's cleaner, it's better looking...no one should be telling anyone else how to raise thier kids
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HotelDrama
06:56 PM on 08/28/2011
Except for girls of course. Then the govt tells you how their equipment needs to work and how it should look.
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Jim from Calif
01:20 PM on 08/29/2011
This isn't a matter of how to raise kids. It an issue of whether people should be allowed to cut health, functioning body parts from their sons, thereby altering their bodies permanently. Jurisdictions prosecute those who tattoo kids. This is a lot more invasive and needs to be seen a such.
06:59 PM on 08/26/2011
Both males and females need to have equal protection. If it's not alright to even nick a female baby's labia to draw one drop of blood, it should not be alright to remove part of a male baby's genital equipment.
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Jim from Calif
01:23 PM on 08/29/2011
Most people aren't aware that the circumcision (removal of foreskin) was performed on girls during the 40s and 50s. Old Joe Kennedy even had part of his daughter's brain removed without even telling Rose. Infant male circumcision is the last of atrocities still allowed by law, and it's time has come. Boys deserve equal citizenship.
bigdaveh
if you want rainbows, you have to put up with the
02:27 PM on 08/25/2011
I have no sympathy for the fabricated plights of Brian Levitt and other who now are claiming that circumcision ruined their life. Where was he when he was 16 or 18? I guess the need for 15 seconds of fame didn't exist back then. But to use this as a ruse to deny Jews and Muslims their religious right of circumcision is deplorable. If he and others had a problem it then talk to the parents or rabbi. But to legislate this would be religious discrimination.
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HotelDrama
05:45 PM on 08/25/2011
Yet Rastafarians are denied their rights to smoke their sacrament. And some Muslims are denied their rights to circumcise their daughters. And other religious people are denied rights to modify their youths bodies or to have them partake of certain sacraments.

Considering that we already legislated against female circumcision even for religious reasons, shouldn't we be striving to overturn that law?
10:16 PM on 08/26/2011
What we should be striving for is to change the constitution and ban religion.
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Jim from Calif
01:25 PM on 08/29/2011
This is the whole point of the San Francisco ordinance the Senators are fighting. The individual rights of the child are constitutionally more important than the beliefs of the parents. Nothing would prevent the child from embracing the practice upon turning 18 when he has a better ability to comprehend its gravity.
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06:27 PM on 08/25/2011
"Religious rights" do not include the right to mutilate a newborn baby.
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logansteele1
You can't have it both ways.
04:56 PM on 08/28/2011
And there is the problem. Circumcision is not considered mutilation by the medical or legal community. No one is asking or telling those who do not believe in circumcision to participate. And so far as I know there have been no class action suites brought by circumcised boys and men to deal with the "mutilation" or negative medical outcomes they received from their parent's decision to circumcise them. In fact, considering that one US child is born every 7 seconds and 61% of men masturbate, it would appear as if circumcision does not impede the penis's ability to function at all.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/200903/how-common-is-masturbation-really

http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html
01:39 PM on 08/25/2011
But isn't it ultimately a "parents choice" to do what's best for their son? I think there are bigger things going on in the world to worry about rather than argue against a surgical procedure that's been done for so long. Let the parent understand the pros or cons and leave it up to them to make that decision.
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Jim from Calif
09:35 PM on 08/25/2011
You'd think doing what's best would be what parents should do, but many of them are still allowing doctors to slice up the boys. You see, parents don't understand what the foreskin is and what it's value is. There are no pros, but doctors lie about it. Parents buy the lie and junior pays.
11:08 PM on 08/26/2011
His body, his choice. When he comes of age. Let HIM understand the pros and cons and leave it up to him to make that decision.
11:32 PM on 08/26/2011
So does that same statement stand for infant vaccines, because when they are born a parent has to decide that as well before they leave the hospital..., ultimately that is a controversial topic as well, therefore a parent should halt everything for their child and let them decide? What's the point of being a parent?
01:10 PM on 08/25/2011
The movie idiocracy is coming true. How can they say it's a medical procedure when it is really a cosmetic procedure. A medical procedure is done only on something that is defective. The foreskin is not defective and is a functional body part that is part of the penis and works in unison with the penis during intercourse.
tnjr
Humor gets me through the day
11:07 AM on 08/25/2011
The nanny state lives. California senators debating about the penis, makes sense because of that old expression, It takes one to know of.
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FTracy3
My micro-bio is as empty as the rest of my life.
10:39 AM on 08/25/2011
All of you who have made the circumcision ban your life's cause must feel pretty good about everything else in the world today.
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HotelDrama
05:48 PM on 08/25/2011
I don't understand this comment or the others that are similar. Obviously you read this article ad even commented on it. Why? Don't you have something bigger to worry about? Go save the world. Why do you get to decide what is important for everyone? Can't people have opinions are all sorts of topics, including topics dealing with human rights, religious rights, and the role of govt?
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Jim from Calif
09:36 PM on 08/25/2011
When we allow atrocities to be carried out on innocent baby boys, the rest of the world isn't that important.
01:56 AM on 08/25/2011
"The government and the police should not be in the middle of who should and should not be circumcised," says Fiona Ma.

For that matter, neither should parents.

If there is a hive of activity with adult circumcision clinics opening so that over-18 males can get their snippage done, I'll be amazed.

Let's also start legislating who can and cannot stand between a piercing gun and an infant. I have seen many infant girls whose parents have had their baby's ears pierced because they think it "won't hurt" as much in infancy as it will in adulthood. They are also taking away their child's choice. No more mutilation of infants, period.
10:18 PM on 08/24/2011
A rabbi decides to retire after 50 years of service. During that period he had save all the foreskins from all of the circumcisions he had performed. Just tossed them into a box. Deciding to have a momento of all those years of service, he packed the box up and went to a leathercrafter's shop.

He asked the craftsman to make him something nice, that he would be proud to own, out of all the foreskins.

After a few weeks the leatherman arrived at the rabbi's house and presented him with his beautiful gift.

Astounded, the rabbi exclaimed, "Oy! A wallet? All I get is a wallet from all those foreskins???"

"Nah," replied the leather worker. "You rub it a few times and you get a suitcase!"
07:01 PM on 08/26/2011
Would you joke about infant girls' labia being removed, saved, and turned into household items?
01:34 PM on 09/02/2011
No, they are too small and you couldn't save them to make anything....but you could fool your friends into a helping of dried apricots.
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yorktown1979
I don't get no respect!
07:25 PM on 08/24/2011
They need to look into it and get to the meat of the situation!
06:10 PM on 08/24/2011
Circumcision is nothing but mutilation of a baby boy's penis either because the parents are too lazy to keep the child's foreskin clean or for some wacky perverted religious reason. Involuntary circumcision needs to be banned nationwide. Circumcision should be left up to the personal choice of the person that is getting cut. When a boy becomes a teenager (15 or 16 years old) he should be able to make that decision for himself.
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bigbobh
07:40 PM on 08/24/2011
bull
You think a 15 year old would know anything about the pros and cons?
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1logicalthinker
with occasional humorous overtones :)
08:55 PM on 08/24/2011
I did when I was 15 and 16, and I sure as heck would not have allowed anyone to slice me.
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Jim from Calif
09:31 PM on 08/25/2011
My bet is that he pretty well knows the value in his foreskin if he's lucky enough to still have it!
10:29 PM on 08/24/2011
Im pretty sure a boy becomes a teenager at 13, lets see eleven, twelve, thirTEEN. yup pretty sure now.
mayanindependentspeak
Until now, I've never lived this long before
05:50 PM on 08/24/2011
Parents are expected and required to make decisions on their child's behalf. The decision process often begins prior to a pregnancy occurring and generally continues at least until the child matures enough to leave home and become independent.

Many of these decisions are made without the child even knowing about them let alone concurring with them. To circumcise or not to circumcise is a parental decision, not a decision for the govt to make.

If there is anything wrong with this country, it is because politicians either caused it to be wrong or allowed it to become wrong.
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bigbobh
07:40 PM on 08/24/2011
right on bro
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HotelDrama
08:49 PM on 08/24/2011
Except when it comes to girls. Obviously the govt has a vested interest in protecting girls from their parents decision to circumcise them.
05:16 PM on 08/24/2011
This state has finally jumped the shark!!! People will cross states lines and do what they want .. stay out of our kids lives,,,,
tnjr
Humor gets me through the day
11:12 AM on 08/25/2011
Yes, especially the religious. If they do pass the ban, watch centers appear across the state lines on the border states where someone could take their son to have the circumcision performed.
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01:25 PM on 08/25/2011
Why don't you let your kid decide for himself?