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Economists: Double-Dip Recession Unlikely, But Recovery Will Remain Weak

Economist Double Dip

PAUL WISEMAN   08/23/11 05:02 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Another U.S. recession is not likely over the next 12 months. Neither is any meaningful improvement in the economy.

That's the picture that emerges from an Associated Press survey of leading economists who have grown more pessimistic in recent weeks. They say high unemployment and weak consumer spending will hold back the U.S. economy into 2012.

Their gloominess comes at a time when Europe's debt crisis threatens to infect the global financial system. It also coincides with an annual economic conference late this week in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and speculation about whether Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke will unveil any new steps there to help the economy.

Worries that another recession is nearing and that the European crisis will spread have led to a roughly 15 percent drop in U.S. stock prices in the past month. Economists say the Great Recession ended in June 2009.

What makes a solution so difficult is that the fear gripping investors isn't just a symptom of economic distress; it's also a cause of it. Sinking stock prices frighten consumers and businesses. They then spend and invest less. Investors respond to lower corporate sales by selling stocks, worsening the market declines.

Each day that the stock market sinks "puts another nail in the coffin of the recovery," says Beth Ann Bovino, senior economist at Standard & Poor's.

"I had been saying it was a half-speed recovery; now, it's a quarter-speed recovery," Bovino says.

She is among 43 private, corporate and academic economists surveyed this month by the AP. As a group, they are more downbeat than when surveyed eight weeks ago. Among their conclusions:

_ The likelihood of a recession within the next 12 months is 26 percent. In June, the economists had put the likelihood at 15 percent.

_ The economy will inch ahead at an annual rate of 2 percent in the July-September quarter and 2.2 percent from October through December. Though stronger than the growth for the first half of 2011, that isn't enough to lower the unemployment rate much, if at all. And next year will barely be stronger.

_ Weak consumer spending poses a "major" risk to the economy. In June, Americans cut their spending for the first time in nearly two years. And consumer spending fuels about 70 percent of the economy.

_ The unemployment rate will end this year at 9 percent and 2012 at 8.5 percent. Those rates are slightly less than July's 9.1 percent. But they're more consistent with a recession than a recovery.

_ The Fed's efforts to keep interest rates at record lows may not succeed in promoting growth or easing unemployment. But its low-rate policies will likely boost stock prices.

The economists do foresee economic growth, job creation, consumer spending and home prices all rising over the next year. But the gains they expect are so slight that many Americans won't notice.

For months, the Fed and private economists had clung to hopes that a slowdown in spring and early summer would prove temporary. They initially blamed temporary factors – especially higher oil prices and an earthquake and nuclear crisis in Japan that disrupted factory production.

But the economy has kept worsening. U.S. home prices remain depressed. Job growth is weak. Workers' pay is barely rising. The economy grew at an annual rate of just 0.8 percent in the first half of 2011 – much less than expected.

The benefits of the government's $862 billion stimulus are fading. No more stimulus is likely. And in June, the Fed ended a $600 billion Treasury bond-buying program that was designed to help keep rates low to spur spending and increase stock prices.

Then Europe's intensifying debt crisis and Congress' standoff over raising the debt ceiling undermined consumer confidence and spooked the markets. Consumers and investors foresee more gridlock ahead as a congressional committee seeks ways to cut at least $1.2 trillion in debt.

That means government spending, which normally helps economies climb back from recessions, will likely instead restrain growth.

A committee from the National Bureau of Economic Research decides when recessions begin and end. They define recession as "a significant decline in economic activity (that) spreads across the economy" and lasts for a "few months to more than a year."

Earlier this month, the Fed pledged to keep short-term rates near zero until mid-2013 if necessary to combat economic weakness. The Fed also seemed to suggest it might be open to another round of bond purchases.

Many are waiting with anticipation for Bernanke's speech Friday in Jackson Hole at a conference held by the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. At last year's conference, Bernanke set the stage for the Fed's $600 billion Treasury-buying program.

But the economists in the AP survey are skeptical of the Fed's ability to improve economic conditions substantially.

"The Fed can't do anything at this stage that's going to be meaningful," says Joshua Shapiro, chief U.S. economist at MFR Inc.

The Fed can influence interest rates, Shapiro noted, but "the level of interest rates is not the impediment to growth."

A bigger obstacle is tepid demand across the economy. And even with rates at record lows, many companies and consumers can't or won't borrow. Consumers don't want to take on more debt while the economic outlook remains so dim and their job security uncertain.

The collapse in home prices means households have lost $7 trillion in equity since 2005. They're saving, not spending, to try to rebuild their lost wealth, says Sean Snaith, director of the University of Central Florida's Institute for Economic Competitiveness.

Consumers have shed about $240 billion in debt, excluding real estate loans, since the end of 2008, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

"We need to see the housing market stabilize," Snaith says. "We need to see some job creation. Until then, consumers are trying to put nest eggs that turned into Humpty Dumpty back together again ... It's just going to take time."

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CSNC
Living on the edge -- not taking too much space
11:06 PM on 08/24/2011
Life is about change. If things are not getting better, they are getting worse.

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Retrofuturistic
see things as they really are
08:01 PM on 08/24/2011
The writer sounds like another Republican ranting against the debt and against "entitlement" programs. How did this article get on the Huff?
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
06:21 PM on 08/24/2011
Seems to me the economists don't read the papers.  The FED won't send money to the states and the states will be short and that will call for a lot of layoffs.  When this happens, businesses will be closing because of lack of customers.  Now they want for people to work for free, so I wonder who will pay for their rent, utilities, gasoline, insurance, etc?  I think our government has lost its mind.
12:31 AM on 08/25/2011
very well said vippy,

when you interview a person for a job and check the resume you get an impression to hire this person or not. Over here there is a period of 3 or 6 months like a probabtion where the employer or employee can terminate the contract without a problem. That should do to find the right personnel. I can literally smell the abuse when you can try out your workforce for free. Not in all, but in some jobs there will be more tryouts working than regular employed folks.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
04:08 PM on 08/24/2011
Richard says we are in a Depression. Really? In 1933 we saw 75% Employment; not 90%. GDP dropped 46% from 1929. Stocks had lost 95% of value. About 4000 banks failed in 1933. Ford & GM stopped producing most cars. Farm prices were falling. So, I disagree with Richard. We have an employment problem in the country because Wall Street has decided to take Government Tax Breaks and Bailouts and hire people in India, China and Brazil.
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Arts4u
It's better than a reality show.
05:03 PM on 08/24/2011
We are at least at 25% unemployment/underemployment if you factor in the vast # of people who were forced to start working freelance/contract. The only reason that 4,000 banks have not failed is because they were bailed out. Auto manufacturers would have stopped producing if they were not bailed out. Farm prices are only rising because of the dramatically increased population.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
09:16 PM on 08/24/2011
Then how much do "you" say were underemployed in 1933? Bailing out the Banks, Ford, GM & Chrysler were supposed to "avoid" a Depression. So, you are rooting for a Depression?
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
06:23 PM on 08/24/2011
I think we have at least that many banks that have closed already.  The government only publishes the numbers for one year and I have been watching it for the last 4 years.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
09:19 PM on 08/24/2011
Sorry, not even close. 2010, 157. 2009, 140. 2011, 68 (so far).
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
01:37 PM on 08/24/2011
aka

30million+ Americans left dog paddling in the bath tub

now watch both parties pull the plug :(
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american-dolt
Truther since 2004
12:00 PM on 08/24/2011
I assume they are talking about themselves again.
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
11:22 AM on 08/24/2011
Looks like some economist have taken off the rose-colored glasses and/or stopped smoking that wacky-tobacky and come to the conclusion that many of us have had for months - even as these same economists kept telling us we were in a "recovery".
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
11:13 AM on 08/24/2011
"'Let's Be Honest: We're In A Depression, Not A Recession"

Reminds me of the old joke where the Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and says.........

"Well Tonto, looks like this is the end...........surrounded by Indians, and I'm running out of bullets. looks like we've had it"

Tonto's reply?......."What you mean, WE...........kimosabee"?

Lets' be honest...........................WE'RE in a depression?

The wealthy are better off today then they were 2 years ago. They got what they paid for. A Congress that works for them, and the millions of dollars they contribute to political campaigns................even if that works to the detriment of all of us "little people".

As long as Wall Street prospers, no one in power cares about Main Street. WE don't matter to them in the overall scheme of things. Serfs seldom do.
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HarlanGreen
10:03 AM on 08/24/2011
Economists surveyed are mostly business economists who have little knowledge of macro factors that contribute to economic growth, and so aren't very accurate in their projections. It looks like both employment and GDP growth were badly underestimated by Labor and Commerce Departments. E.g., latest higher payroll revisions were because BLS subtracted 1.065 seasonal jobs--too much seasonal adjustment, which only prevailed during boom years. So look for even better payroll jobs number for August...and Q1 GDP growth also badly off...more like 2% higher to 2.4-3%, as Chicago Fed's activity index shows...Q2 GDP therefore probably more accurate, and probably 3% growth rate for rest of 2011. Editor, Popular Economics Weekly
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librainstars
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10:02 AM on 08/24/2011
I think we are still in the last recession, it never ended, they just lied.
Konnie
PO'd PROGRESSIVE
09:00 AM on 08/24/2011
and even if you are still lucky enough to have a job, you're depressed. afraid to spend a dime - let alone real money, this is going to be a long slog unless we stop listening to the linmpuglicant doom and gloom and get a real big time back to work WPA program out of washington. gonna be a long 6 years folks. obama will be re-elected. the limpuglicants will stall everything because they hate obama more than they love the country. it's that simple.
08:42 AM on 08/24/2011
Don't worry....i'm sure obama's team is finding people to blame as we speak.
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Carol Thacker Pullen
08:32 AM on 08/24/2011
When I did worker's compensation, once you determined one was not likely to get better but also not anticipated to get worse, you declared they were Permanent and Stationary. I now think of our country that way.
07:44 AM on 08/24/2011
We are entering a period of structural change.
I think the US will remain in this state for some time if not indefinitely.
Basic materials are finite.
Resources of the world are stretched.
OUr economy will have problems into the far future.
Only if we have radical change in energy supplies can this be overcome.
07:00 AM on 08/24/2011
How does it feel to be a slave to funny money?! 7 trillion in funny money gone with the wind! POOF.