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2012 Election: Campaigns Find Some Truths Inconvenient

Rick Perry 2012

First Posted: 08/28/11 11:05 AM ET Updated: 10/28/11 06:12 AM ET

By BETH FOUHY, ASSOCIATED PRESS

(AP) NEW YORK -- Corporations are people. The fundamentals of the economy are strong. I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it.

From Mitt Romney this month to John McCain in 2008 and John Kerry four years earlier, presidential candidates are caught telling the truth by accident in every campaign, blurting a phrase that is both factual but politically ill-advised.

Those moments speak to the deeply contradictory nature of American politics.

Voters say they want authentic, straight-talking candidates. But voters also tend to punish candidates who veer too far off script or who make assertions that, while true, cause people to cringe and question whether these politicians are out of touch with those they seek to represent.

Consider Romney, the early GOP front-runner who recently confronted a heckler in Iowa who was demanding higher taxes on corporations.

"Corporations are people, my friend," the former Massachusetts governor shot back. "Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to people."

Romney said it again at a campaign event in New Hampshire on Wednesday.

"When you say tax corporations, steel, vinyl, concrete, they don't pay taxes. Only people do," he said.

Corporations are made up of the people who work for them and stockholders who benefit from their profits. The Supreme Court said as much last year when it eased restrictions on campaign spending by corporations, saying businesses deserve the same freedom of speech individuals enjoy.

But it was smart for Romney to say, given the nation's high unemployment and deep resentment of Wall Street? Probably not.

Democrats, predictably, pounced. President Barack Obama said he disagreed with the notion that corporate tax breaks are "good for ordinary Americans."

It's possible that Romney's comment won't damage his campaign because Republican primary voters tend to view business interests more favorably than do Democrats. But because of his wealth and history at Bain Capital, a private equity firm that created jobs in some places but made them disappear elsewhere through consolidation, the remark could reinforce the perception that Romney is disconnected from the concerns of working people.

"The gaffes that get traction tend to be the ones that fit a narrative that already exists about the candidate," said Marc Hetherington, a political science professor at Vanderbilt University who studies campaign rhetoric. "Since corporations are very unpopular right now, it could really stick to someone like Romney who is so identified with the business community."

Massachusetts Sen. Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee, learned a hard lesson about reinforcing an existing story line. He opposed money the war in Iraq and voted against the legislation when it came up for final consideration. But he had gone along with an earlier version.

At one point, he told supporters: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." He was trying to explain that he wanted to ensure troops had the necessary equipment, but at the same time hoped to convey a message of opposition to the war.

The result was the Republicans cast Kerry as a flip-flopper in contrast with President George W. Bush's image of strength and resolve. Bush narrowly won re-election that year.

In the fall of 2007, Hillary Rodham Clinton found herself in an uncomfortable spot just as Obama was gaining traction in the Democratic primary in part by railing against special interests.

Before a liberal audience and with Obama on stage nearby, Clinton launched a spirited defense of lobbyists - inadvertently burnishing her reputation as a protector of the status quo in Washington.

"A lot of these lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans," she said. "They represent nurses, they represent social workers, they represent corporations that employ a lot of people."

It was true, but ill-timed and problematic, particularly in front of a progressive audience that already doubted Clinton's commitment to liberal issues.

McCain, the Republican presidential nominee in 2008, faced a similar situation that September after the collapse of the Lehman Brothers investment bank and at the outset of the global finance meltdown.

"The fundamentals of the economy are strong," McCain said. He was trying to reassure a jittery nation that its workers, whom he called the backbone of the economy, were resilient and productive. Few probably would disagree with that explanation, but as the stock market tanked his sound bite sounded jarringly off base.

It was a searing misstatement for the Arizona senator who had never seemed comfortable discussing the economy.

Charlie Black, a top adviser to the McCain campaign at the time, attributes McCain's loss more to the financial crisis than that comment. Black also doubted Romney would suffer from his comment, given his campaign performance thus far.

"Romney has been out there quite a while in a low key way," Black said. "If that's the first mistake he's made so far, it's a pretty good batting average."

Another GOP contender in 2012, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, has had his own moments of inadvertent truth-telling. He's been asked to defend comments from his book, "Fed Up," in which he called Social Security a "Ponzi scheme."

The Social Security system does pay benefits to retirees from what it collects from current workers, much as a Ponzi scheme draws on payments from new investors to shell out returns to existing ones. There is a chance that if left unchanged, Social Security will not collect enough benefits to fund the swelling number of future retirees.

But a Ponzi scheme is a deliberate fraud.

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ThatsTheTheWayItIs 03:55 PM on 08/28/2011
"Corporations are made up of the people who work for them and stockholders who benefit from their profits". That's like saying estates are made up of servants, caretakers - oh yeah, also the rich people who own the place. Corporations are owned and operated by stockholders, for their benefit. Workers including CEOs are at best an expensive necessity. Every US CEO better know that or they will be  Read More...
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Maxedaddy
Leftwing extremist!
02:13 PM on 08/29/2011
I heard the rich are building new factories where they just string people up by their toes and shake the money out of their pockets in a conveyor belt styled assembly line. Hang em up, shake'em and watch how much money falls out. It seems like a sound plan. It's what they are doing now with our financial system.
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Blackjackii
Do you listen w/ a closed mind or closed mouth?
12:02 PM on 08/29/2011
I don't understand the rationale behind the notions that corporations are "people." I understand that in some legal contexts, Corporations share some legal protections/classifications with persons...

... but especially in the realm of political speech (i.e. campaign contributions) I see corporations as much closer to nation-states than individual citizens. You see, corporations cannot think for themselves. Businesses cannot formulate actions based on rational thoughts as you and I can/do in an effort to promote/look out for our interests. Yes, it is absolutely true that corporations do have voices, and of course they plan and act according to the company's interest, but those decisions are made by a board of directors or an executive (you know, "people") not by the actual legal entity....

You know what other form of organization operates by having a single person or small group make decisions on behalf of a larger collection of people and/or an organization..... governments.

I don't think the American people would be too happy if the Russian Government was given the same rights to influence our political system as the board of directors at Coca-Cola.... and yet I challenge you to show me a difference in allowing one over the other.
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Blackjackii
Do you listen w/ a closed mind or closed mouth?
12:10 PM on 08/29/2011
So this was certainly not my "best foot forward" in making this argument, both in terms of wording and content... but I hope my basic premise still made it across.
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11:47 AM on 08/29/2011
You know when the press starts exclusively using posed publicity shots of a particular candidate and stock shots for all the others, someone is setting you up for a sucker punch.
And when you start getting posts deleted because you point this sort of thing out, it prety much confirms it.
11:46 AM on 08/29/2011
The Grand Old Patriarchy, that now feels that corporations are people, wants to take you back to a time where many citizens were treated as second (or third) class. (When it's made hard to even vote and you don't have the cash to buy your own politicians, guess where that leaves you?) Don't worry about contradictions. They plan to soothe your fears away with plenty of ads informing you how un-American the Democrats are. Also ones that say "Vote for Promney, In Your Heart You Know He's One of You!"
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11:45 AM on 08/29/2011
personal truths are merely partisan opinions. we are commenting about a group within our society that find even FACTS entirely optional. why would we care that they stretch truths?
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Oceras
A little inductive reasoning is a dangerous thing.
11:33 AM on 08/29/2011
iridium53: "It seems their (the national press) whole purpose is to repeat the stupid statements from the candidates­. Not one bit of fact checking. Not one bit of probing questions.

This point about the press is an important one. It is as though candidates wear reporter-proof vests. I am sick and tired of the lack of follow-up by the press. In order to get any analysis of a speech, one goes to one's favorite web site, liberals to theirs, conservatives to theirs, and as often as not these provide analysis that comes from a liberal or conservative point of view. These feed preconceived notions. There not being an analytical, unbiased press much anymore, the people as a whole do not receive a message that gives us a common ground from which to approach a person or problem. When the media do broadcast or print an unbiased analytical story, one of the two sides, having become imbued with an us vs them mentality, view the story as biased and not analytical.

This weakness of the press, instead of providing us with common ground, maintains and nurtures our divisions.
11:48 AM on 08/29/2011
Hence the real need for the FACT FINDER. Too much misinformation gets repeated.
11:27 AM on 08/29/2011
Romney's real mistake is considering corporations people. They aren't. Corporations are legal entities provided certain legal liability protections by the people of the US. His problem is that he accepts right-wing BS that leads to poor policies that benefit the rich at the expense of persons.
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thecreeksedge
11:26 AM on 08/29/2011
Candidates for high public office should be required to take an oath to "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." And, they should be fined for their indiscretions and removed from the ballot and disqualified for a number of years for persistent bad behavior.
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11:41 AM on 08/29/2011
Yes you are right and that includes both republicans and democrats or any third party.
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Dredd
Our government is a wartocracy.
11:15 AM on 08/29/2011
The history of climate science, from 1850 - 2011 is well known, and the origin and history of climate change denial is also well documented.

Perry gets his disinformation from the same people who originated the cigarette smoking is ok hoax.

http://ecocosmology.blogspot.com/2011/08/exceptional-american-denial.html
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freethinkergirl
No Teapublican will ever define who I am..
11:34 AM on 08/29/2011
Great link...F*F
11:07 AM on 08/29/2011
Aren't pets people to? I think my dog would vote for Clinton. My owl, well, does not believe in government. The next president might be corporations' best friend ... where do you draw the line?
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10:56 AM on 08/29/2011
apparently steel, vinyl and concrete are considered people. /s
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freethinkergirl
No Teapublican will ever define who I am..
11:34 AM on 08/29/2011
Apparently so...
iridium53
Semper Fi
10:43 AM on 08/29/2011
The national press, particularly the talking head White House and Political Press, is utterly USELESS.

It seems their whole purpose is to repeat the stupid statements from the candidates.

Not one bit of fact checking. Not one bit of probing questions.

Why don't the networks just save a LOT of money and fire these vacuumheads?
One camera to show the video press releases from the candidate would suffice.

Gregory is the worst.
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turboe4truth
The pen is mightier than the sword, or your guns
11:06 AM on 08/29/2011
I agree with you, why do we have reporters at all, just let the candidates release their statements and then we can take a vote..... These reporters do nothing for us, they never ask questions, and they never get the candidate to tell the truth..... What a joke this is becoming.
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chipchuck
Rethink that...
09:59 AM on 08/29/2011
I'd like to know if Mr. Romney believes Plantations were people too.

I mean, the systems is pretty much the same. You had a wealthy master (CEO) and his family (the board and major shareholders) and their profit and lifestyle was aquired through the work of many others (slaves) that were treated as property to be bought/sold/traded and only given just enough to stave off starvation and revolt.

What of the "people" working for a corporation where the board of directors decide to give millions to a canidate the "people" don't support?

Wouldn't this be better? The BoD chooses a dollar amount per employee and shareholder, say $5 per. Then each employee and shareholder chooses a candidate they want their $5 to go to or none at all (or even a charity of their choosing). The company tallies the numbers and if Romney got 1000 votes, he gets $5000. If Obama got 800 he'd get $4000. If 1000 people said "none" then $5000 goes back into the company accounts and is not spent on politics.

I'd think this is a better way to do it, rather than letting one or a small group of wealthy executives (who mostly vote for someone that greases their palm) to decide for thousands of employees who the winfall will hit.
11:53 AM on 08/29/2011
Chip, I'm all for shareholders' rights. "He who pays the piper gets to call the tune."
AveragePatriot
I am an Apathetic Agnostic
09:57 AM on 08/29/2011
The real Ponzi scheme is the GOP methodology. It seems to be a deliberate fraud...
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JayInDallas
Shredding talking points with facts since 2006
09:54 AM on 08/29/2011
Why should you think twice before voting for a candidate from Texas? Two words: George Bush. Remember him? Governor during the Enron scandal. President during the single largest attack (besides Pearl Harbor) on U.S. mainland soil in history. Katrina. Iraq. The economic meltdown. (Folks forget that he was president when it began)

The GOP banks on the short memory of Americans. Otherwise, it would be Bush, not Reagan, that they would point to when it came to a symbol of their ability to govern.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to fulfill it" -Santayana