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Netflix Price Hike Is Redbox's Golden Opportunity

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First Posted: 08/31/11 06:26 PM ET Updated: 10/31/11 06:12 AM ET

By Michael Liedtke, the Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO -- Netflix is giving Redbox a golden opportunity to gain some ground.

Beginning Thursday, Netflix, the largest U.S. video subscription service, will hit its nearly 25 million U.S subscribers with rate increases of as much as 60 percent. The sticker shock is expected to make Redbox, which rents DVDs for $1 per day through kiosks, even more enticing to movie lovers.

"We are very cognizant of the value of the dollar," said Gary Cohen, Redbox's senior vice president of marketing and consumer experience. "Redbox is all about simplicity, convenience and value."

Netflix Inc.'s higher prices will drive business to video rental chain Blockbuster and other home entertainment rivals too, but none are better positioned to take advantage of the disruption than Redbox, according to Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter.

That's because millions of people are expected to keep paying for a Netflix service that streams video over high-speed Internet connections, but will look for other places to rent DVDs at a low price. Most people won't have to go far before coming across a Redbox kiosk; two-thirds of the U.S. population now lives within a five-minute drive of one of the company's red vending machines, which are largely stationed in Wal-Marts, drug stores, supermarkets and convenience stores.

Netflix, which is based in Los Gatos, has given its subscribers little reason to stray until now. Its service emerged as a household staple during the past few years while bundling rented DVDs through the mail with unlimited Internet video streaming for little as $10 per month. Keeping both of those options will cost $16 per month under Netflix's new pricing system. Netflix predicts about 10 million customers will avoid the higher prices by limiting their subscriptions to an $8-per-month streaming plan that doesn't include the latest theatrical releases available on DVD and pay-per-view.

Pachter believes somewhere between 2 million to 3 million customers will simply close their Netflix accounts and abandon the service entirely to protest the higher prices.

Without providing specifics, a Netflix forecast issued in late July acknowledged its higher prices will result in an unusually high cancellation rate. During the past year, Netflix averaged 2.8 million cancellations per quarter. That compared with an average of 5.2 million new subscribers every three months during the same period. Netflix isn't certain it will attract enough new customers to offset the cancellations in the three months ending in September.

If the projections pan out, a large audience of DVD renters will be up for grabs during the next few months.

The Netflix backlash is expected to be a boon for Redbox mainly because its in-store kiosks have become almost as ubiquitous as the red envelopes that Netflix uses to deliver DVDs.

In the past two years, Redbox owner Coinstar Inc. has more than doubled the number of DVD rental kiosks to 33,300. Compare that to Blockbuster, which is down to 1,500 stores in the U.S. after a bankruptcy filing last year led to its $234 million sale to Dish Network Corp. earlier this year.

Redbox also offers something Netflix doesn't: video game rentals for $2 per day. It also plans to begin selling an Internet streaming service before the end of the year, but hasn't provided many details about it yet.

Higher prices may be looming at Redbox too. In June, the company began testing DVD rentals at prices ranging from $1.10 to $1.20 in six markets: Kansas City, Mo.; Phoenix; Charlotte, N.C.; Portland, Ore.; Pittsburgh; and Austin, Texas. Redbox, which is based in Oakbrook Terrace, Ill., says it doesn't plan to raise its prices permanently.

Netflix CEO Reed Hastings viewed Redbox as his company's biggest competitive threat two years ago, but he no longer sees it that way. Hastings now says he is more worried about the Internet streaming options that supplement to pay-TV services, such as those offered by Comcast Corp. and Time Warner Inc.'s HBO.

Neither of those rivals, though, will fill the DVD rental void if more households decide to stop getting their discs from Netflix. Hastings expects Netflix to be delivering DVDs to about 15 million subscribers at the end of September, including about 3 million customers who drop their Internet streaming plans and rent discs exclusively.

Fears of a mass customer defection have contributed to nearly 20 percent drop in Netflix's stock price since the company announced its higher prices in July. Curiously, Constair's shares have fallen by about 18 percent during the same period, even though analysts such as Pachter and Pacific Crest Securities analyst Andy Hargreaves are urging investors to buy the company's shares to take advantage of the anticipated influx of Netflix customers. (Coinstar got 85 percent, or $726 million, of its revenue from Redbox during the first half of this year.) The sharp drop in Coinstar's market value is being driven by investors who believe DVD rentals are a dying business, Hargreaves said.

Redbox isn't predicting how many Netflix subscribers it might be able to attract.

Since Netflix announced its price increase, Redbox's promotional efforts have been limited to discounts offered through cell phones and free movie vouchers distributed through Facebook, where Redbox is more popular than Netflix these days. Redbox's Facebook page has nearly 3.6 million "likes" compared with 1.8 for Netflix's Facebook page, which has attracted more than 81,000 mostly outraged comments about the higher prices.

Unlike Netflix, Redbox isn't a big advertiser. Redbox's marketing expenses during the first half of this year totaled $10 million compared with $199 million at Netflix. Redbox "probably should be doing more marketing than they have been," Hargreaves said.

Blockbuster has been more aggressive in its courtship of Netflix customers. Just two days after the higher prices, Blockbuster started offering Netflix free trials and discount offers.

Cohen is confident Redbox will prove irresistible to bargain hunters looking for a little home entertainment.

"Our business is easy to understand and it's easy to try, especially if customers are disgruntled with something else," he said.

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01:49 PM on 09/15/2011
It's not just about the price increase, yes that puts off some folks, but it has more to do with the fact that they don't really have stuff that's worth watching. At least not from my point of view. I've had a netflix subs for some time now, and at first I didn't mind it since it only cost about 10 bucks, but hiking the price to nearly 20 dollar has made me rethink why I still have it. I've only ever used it to watch old reruns here and there, watch BSG (it's great they have the complete series) and watch Spartacus, but that was on Starz so I guess that's gone now. I too will be canceling my netflix subscription. They simply don't have much worth watching/paying for.
03:48 PM on 09/02/2011
I use both... Netflix for very obsure films, (dvds only now) that Blockbuster and Redbox don't have, and use the Redbox for up-to-date films. Once in a blue moon I'll shlep to Blockbuster to grab television shows.. that is, if they have the show I'm looking for.
01:08 AM on 09/02/2011
those redbox kiosks rarely have anything worth watching
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ladyvader
Less apathy, more empathy!
12:06 AM on 09/03/2011
I have one about a mile from my house at a CVS and I looked at it one day. One movie out of 40 I wanted to watch.

I wouldn't waste my time with Redbox.
Dragonlupin
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11:08 PM on 09/15/2011
That actually shows how popular Redbox is.
05:24 PM on 09/01/2011
I rent Netflix movies thru the mail, four at a time. Cost is $22.00. This is dirt cheap. What is everyone complaining about?
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hellotiki
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06:57 PM on 09/01/2011
We're just a bunch of Kvetches.
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hangdogit
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11:55 PM on 09/01/2011
Well, it is a big increase from a percentage viewpoint -- so that hurts some folks in the recession who still want a little entertainment.

But I rarely shop anywhere that has a Redbox -- and don't want to schlep movies back and forth anyway -- so I get Netflix by mail. Plus, I like the huge selection compered to Redbox. And often, older movies are FAR better than what Hollywood cranks out today anyway. If the Post Office stops Sat delivery the way they want to, that would make Netflix by mail less efficient.
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ladyvader
Less apathy, more empathy!
12:09 AM on 09/03/2011
Paying less than $20 a month for one disc at a time and unlimited streaming is still a great deal. People need to actually get past the percent of the increase and look at the actual dollars.

I dumped the DVD part of it and went just with streaming. I stream more than I watch DVD anyway.

Netflix still has some of the best documentries streaming. Which you will never find at Blockbuster or Red Box.

And every Blockbuster near me has closed.
04:58 PM on 09/01/2011
Honestly, my monthly bill went up by 3 dollars... maybe 4... for unlimited streaming, 2 discs + BD. It's still way, way cheaper than cable... way. I think it mighit end up being slightly cheaper than the WORST package available in my area (which doesn't even include Discovery or History) and about half of what I'd pay for the cheapest package worth paying for. But you know what? When I got to a place that has cable, there is never anything on anyway! I don't mind paying a smidge more a month if it means that I can watch what I want and if it allows Netflix to expand their streaming library. I was sort of miffed at first, but once I saw that my bill was only going to go up by around a dime a day... meh. I still pay less than a dollar a day for it and can pretty much get movies as quickly as I can watch them.
03:37 PM on 09/01/2011
i am retired but between Netflix streaming, Time Warner free on demand of most shows & an occasional trip to the theater, who has time who has time to watch DVDS?
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Andrew Wojtkowski
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03:28 PM on 09/01/2011
Where is this magic Redbox that actually has movies outside of Spongebob in stock, and has disks that are actually readable by most players?

Or are we just going off "in theory" here? Has anyone who CLAIMS to be dropping Netflix for Redbox actually used Redbox? I challenged friends of mine who were going to drop Netflix to actually use the service 3 times. I was convinced all that took to convince them that they were being insane.

I'm not sure anyone got a second DVD before giving up. Redbox is terrible. You think Netflix's selection is terrible? I hope you enjoy Barbie Horse Adventures.
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05:21 PM on 09/01/2011
Try other Redbox locations.
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07:34 PM on 09/01/2011
You mean drive around and hope for better? No thanks.
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Andrew Wojtkowski
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10:25 AM on 09/02/2011
I have about 5 within a mile or two of me. Many of them are in locations I wouldn't visit anyway like a 7-Eleven. But I've tried all of them at one point. The ones at the local supermarket have nothing in them.

So what you're saying, though, is that I should spend extra gas money because I'm furious over a $4 price increase? It's all hype and irrational fervor. It actually reminds me of when my sister was a teenager and she couldn't get a ride to the mall, acting like my parents neglected her.

People need to grow up.
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Oregonian76
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03:00 PM on 09/01/2011
The only reason this is an issue is because most people are terrible at math.

Netflix streaming = $8 ... Unlimited viewing ... If you watch even 1 TV series all the way through, you've more than gotten your money's worth.

Netflix 1-DVD plan = $8 ... Unlimited viewing ... I've gotten as many as 12 DVDs in a month, as long as I am hitting the turnover via the mail just right. But you'll surely be able to get at least 8 movies in a month, most of the time more though.

Redbox = $1 per day per movie ... If you forget even once to take a disc back, you're paying a 100% premium for that 2nd day. You also have a MUCH smaller selection to choose from. You also have to pay the gas & time it takes to get to the Box.

Let's not forget that you can't ONLY look at the numbers. You have to look at people's viewing habits as well. It's VERY likely that most people will cut out their Netflix DVD plan, but then end up spending more money on their RedBox habit, either because they will forget to return movies fairly frequently or because they'll end up watching more movies during the month.

Anyone chaffing about Netflix's rate hike will only be hurting themselves by letting their emotions rule them. Netflix's rates are STILL the best available, especially over the long term.
03:21 PM on 09/01/2011
you assume that people are smart enough to do basic math

which is sad.
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Andrew Wojtkowski
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03:32 PM on 09/01/2011
You should also note that Blockbuster now has close to the same pricing as Redbox and has about 800x the selection.

New releases (That aren't even on Redbox) are $2.99 for the first night, or $1.99 for the first night when they're TECHNICALLY on Redbox but all rented out. Then everything's $.99/day.

Netflix is still way cheaper, but if they did want to buck Netflix, Redbox is the worst way to go.
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Oregonian76
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03:41 PM on 09/01/2011
Good points.

Another option I've found is used/second-hand DVD stores. Many of them offer 7-day return policies. You should probably limit your returns so it doesn't get suspicious, but you can "rent" movies for free if you get something and then simply take it back (or have a family member take it back for you). I know, kind of ethical-gray-area, but it's still an option for people really concerned about money.

Alternatively, I just buy some DVDs outright from those second-hand stores. Many movies are only $3 or $5 to buy. If it's a movie I'm likely to watch even twice during the year, then it just makes sense to buy it cheap like that. It saves a space in my queue and some of them I then sell to friends for $1 or $2 and we all win. :)
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ladyvader
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12:12 AM on 09/03/2011
All the Blockbusters by me are closed up.
02:36 PM on 09/01/2011
NetFlix is two business's: One is streaming and the second is mailing out DVD's. The second part is not as profitable as the first - ergo bye bye DVD's.
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02:32 PM on 09/01/2011
I dropped my netflix last month and have been renting from redbox. Much easier and they are located at all the places I go to on a daily basis anyway. Sorry Netflix, you lost a good customer.
03:09 PM on 09/01/2011
A Redbox kiosk cannot compete on the basis of selection. Netflix has it beat there.
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03:13 PM on 09/01/2011
yeah, but they have better availability of new releases. I have never had a delay when I wanted a new release from redbox. Netflix I had that issue all the time.
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ladyvader
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12:16 AM on 09/03/2011
Thousands of moves versus forty....mmmmm. Which has the better selection?

I went to a Redbox about a mile from my house. I laughed at their selection of crap. I wanted to see ONE movie. So they get a .25% approval from me from their crappy selection.

If I want to see the crap Hollywood is making now days, I would use my free AMC passes. I have enough for me and my husband to see two different movies. I've had these passes for two years. The only movie I wanted to see was only there for a week and we couldn't go that week because of conflicting work schedules.

The last movie I saw a the theater was "Defiance"
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12:26 AM on 09/03/2011
Well the general public doesn't like drawn out boring old movies. 95% of people just want to see the newest releases and move on with their lives. Once I see a movie one time , I could care less if I see again. For new release movies, redbox is the way to go.
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TabaskoKat
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02:31 PM on 09/01/2011
i against the rate increase. buuuut netflick is still a better option than redbox. more selections is the main reason. And im not paying per day. when i do red box, i often forget for a few days to bring it back. sometimes i foget to watch it entirely. so betwen the two (not always watching, and not being diligent on next day return) redbox costs me alot more than netflick does.

thats not saying netflick doesnt have its problems

i dont know about anyone else, but the greatest draw for me to netflick, no commercials. the second commercials appear, im done
02:23 PM on 09/01/2011
I just cancelled the DVD end of my Netflix subscription. I know there's a Redbox kiosk at a McDonald's across the street from where I work and I suspect that I'll get from there what is current and rely on streaming for the older stuff.
03:10 PM on 09/01/2011
Older stuff tends not to show up on stream.
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ladyvader
Less apathy, more empathy!
12:18 AM on 09/03/2011
HUH? I've watched movies from the 1950's streaming on Netflix. Like "What Ever Happened To Baby Jane" "Down By The Waterfront"

So you are so off on that it is not even funny.
01:57 AM on 10/02/2011
Netflix has all kinds of old crap. What are you talking about? I have seen their stupid selection of movies and they are the same old school movies. They never have any new releases on streaming and their new ones take forever to get to you. They need a better selection then what they have on streaming especially if people are going to get the streaming side of netflix. Which I don't give a crap because I don't have Netflix anymore. I stop with them when they started raising the prices. Screw Netflix I would rather get Redbox.
03:55 PM on 09/02/2011
You are better off keeping the dvd option for older stuff, as there are tons of movies on there that are not streamed at all.
02:17 PM on 09/01/2011
Despite the shameless price gouging/ customer service issues I'm sticking with Netflix. Even with the increase a subscription to both Netflix and Hulu Plus provides me stellar choices on my schedule.

In addition I can disconnect from a far more odious perpetrator of shameless commerce (cable) and still save about $25 a month.

Btw, the Netflix DVD option is necessary to view MANY titles from Netflix. It's not just the recent releases .
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TabaskoKat
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02:32 PM on 09/01/2011
i agree, but i cant do hulu. i get ads when im not paying, but when i paid for hulu plus, ......... im not paying for ads
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11:43 AM on 09/02/2011
Aren't the ads only 10 seconds?
12:56 PM on 09/03/2011
I hear that and raise you this ...

I read yesterday that Starz isn't renewing it's contract with Netflix come February 2012.
That's a total game changer...
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illegalneocon
02:08 PM on 09/01/2011
I'm to lazy to drive to the next red box, and then wait for the guy to go thru all the selection, and then wait for the person to pay, and then find out they don't have the movie I want to watch, and then next day forget to return the movie, and then the day after forget AGAIN to return the movie, and finally return the movie 2 days later and start all over again.

NO NO NO NO.

I get in my bed, Turn the system on, select the movie and start watching. All that for only $.80 cents a day!!

Beat that anyone.
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illegalneocon
02:16 PM on 09/01/2011
One important thing. To avoid any economical in disruption in my budget for the 60% increase, I did 3 things:

NOTHING, NOTHING AND NOTHING.
03:58 PM on 09/02/2011
Then you are really too lazy to go to redbox.com, reserve the movie you want, go to the redbox, await patiently while the guy in front of you is hoping that they have the movie you reserved already at home, and volia, swipe your credit card and it pops out.. without you being frustrated. Wow you are really lazy then.
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loki
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02:02 PM on 09/01/2011
notice how Netflix was affordable, until they crushed blockbusters? typical American capitalism. Offer a good product at a good price, until you get on top, they raise the prices and reduce the quality or amount. Like most American businesses.
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illegalneocon
02:10 PM on 09/01/2011
All the production companies are raising their prices to netflix.
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TabaskoKat
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02:34 PM on 09/01/2011
its pretty gross. they see netflick as a viable alternative to Tv. and instead of investing and getting some of that money for themselves, they'd rather exort netflick, so netflick has to raise its prices.

why is starz suddenly demanding 20 mil for content when 3 yrs ago they werew Ok with 2mil??

greed
03:12 PM on 09/01/2011
Well you could start your own business and compete against them.