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Saber Lal Melma, Ex-Gitmo Detainee, Killed In Afghanistan

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HEIDI VOGT and RAHIM FAIEZ   09/ 3/11 08:15 PM ET   AP

KABUL, Afghanistan — NATO and Afghan forces have killed a former Guantanamo detainee who returned to Afghanistan to become a key al-Qaida ally, international officials said Saturday.

The militant's death was a reminder of the risks of trying to end a controversial detention system without letting loose people who will launch attacks on Americans.

Sabar Lal Melma, who was released from Guantanamo in 2007, had been organizing attacks in eastern Kunar province and funding insurgent operations, NATO spokesman Capt. Justin Brockhoff said.

A NATO statement described Melma as a "key affiliate of the al-Qaida network" who was in contact with senior al-Qaida members in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Another former detainee who joined the al-Qaida franchise in Yemen was killed in a recent U.S. airstrike there.

Troops surrounded Melma's house in Jalalabad city on Friday night and shot him dead when he emerged from the building holding an AK-47 assault rifle. Several other people were detained, NATO said.

A guard at the house, Mohammad Gul, said a group of American soldiers scaled the walls of the compound around 11 p.m. and stormed the house, shooting Melma in the assault. Three others were detained, Gul said.

Melma joined a long list of detainees believed to have reconnected with al-Qaida. In 2009, the Pentagon said 61, approximately 11 percent, of the detainees released from Guantanamo had rejoined the fight. Experts have questioned the validity of that number.

About 520 Guantanamo detainees have been released from custody or transferred to prisons elsewhere in the world.

There are 171 inmates still held at the facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. President Barack Obama signed an executive order in 2009 just after taking office asking for it to be shut down within the year, but it has remained open as the administration has worked to find ways to deal with the inmates.

After the fall of the Taliban, Melma, 49, was given the rank of brigadier general in the Afghan National Army and placed in charge of approximately 600 border security troops in Kunar, according to a file made public by WikiLeaks.

But he was suspected of still helping carry out rocket attacks against U.S. troops, and he was captured in August 2002 while attending a meeting with U.S. military officials in Asadabad and transferred to the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay in October that year.

While imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, the U.S. determined he was a "probable facilitator for al-Qaida members" and was also thought to have links to Pakistan's intelligence service. In 2005, he was described as a "medium risk" to the United States.

He was sent back to Afghanistan in September 2007.

NATO said in a statement that coalition forces have captured or killed more than 40 al-Qaida insurgents in eastern Afghanistan this year.

In June 2010, then CIA Director Leon Panetta said only 50 to 100 al-Qaida operatives continued to operate inside Afghanistan. It's not clear if Panetta was referring to commanders or foot soldiers.

In Kabul, meanwhile, a political standoff over the makeup of the legislature continued as police escorted a handful of new lawmakers into parliament despite protests from sitting parliamentarians that the new group is illegitimate.

In the southern city of Kandahar, officials said NATO forces killed a child and a shopkeeper who were caught up in a firefight between a military patrol and a gunman.

NATO said one of its service members was killed in an insurgent attack on Saturday in southern Afghanistan but not provide details.

The Danish military said one of its soldiers was killed in a roadside bomb that exploded as a foot patrol was moving past in southern Afghanistan's volatile Helmand province, but it was not immediately clear if that announcement referred to the same attack.

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Associated Press writer Adam Goldman contributed to this report from Kabul.

(This version CORRECTS Corrects first name of militant to Sabar. Restores first reference to President Barack Obama, 10th paragraph.)

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05:24 AM on 09/10/2011
Dear Sir,

I knew this guy personally. He was a good friend of my brother. This guy was a businessman definitely not involve in any sort of terrorist activities.

This guy had a commercial building in kunar province, from which Taliban attacked the American forces. He was arrested in Jalalabad city two days before he was killed. He was interrogated regarding the incident. He told the americans that taliban have infiltrated the defence ministry on many occasions, my commercial building is a piece of cake for them. Imagine some terrorists enter the bloomingdales in New York and start shooting at the people walking down the street. Are you going to arrest and kill Mr. Bloomberg for it?

Two days later after his arrest, he was dragged out of his bedroom at night and shot 5 times in front of his brother, according to his brother. This is a cold blooded murder. Shame on you
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ElBruce
05:55 AM on 09/05/2011
This wouldn't have happened if we'd put him on trial. This is what we get for declining to try them in a court of law.
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yoyodyne666
is it friday yet?
04:58 AM on 09/05/2011
The militant's death was a reminder of the risks of trying to end a controversial detention system without letting loose .........

That's some catch that catch 22 ....
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wayne the pain
08:09 PM on 09/04/2011
If they had not been radicals before being detained at Gitmo do you not understand why they would be after? We have done as much to create radical anti U.S. feelings in the middle east as as the radical groups. We need to get our armies out of the middle east and set up a police operation to combat terror in the U.S.! Fighting terror is not a military action, it is a police action!
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hcedee
OMG Obama Must Go!
09:28 PM on 09/04/2011
We heard people like you during Viet Nam. We don't make radicals. we kill them.
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ElBruce
05:55 AM on 09/05/2011
... thereby making more...
01:23 AM on 09/05/2011
Advocating a police state?
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11:32 AM on 09/05/2011
That's part of the progressiveagenda
07:17 PM on 09/04/2011
If we had followed the Geneva convention this guy would be in a prisoner of war camp right now. Instead hes back on the front lines. If we had used the civil courts hed be in prison right now as even armed robbers get 12 years or more.

Instead we allowed our politicians to do Al Qiadas heavy lifting for them. Stripped of our rights we have fought so hard to protect we now torture people and once they are no good to us we let them go. Such a pointless exercise, we have good laws that already cover this! This guy should never have been released until after the war is over!
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
07:36 PM on 09/04/2011
When will the war against terror be over? Will we have enough prisons to hold enemy combatants, and the will to fund them, for this unending war?
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yoyodyne666
is it friday yet?
05:00 AM on 09/05/2011
When we run out of oil and other resources.
01:59 PM on 09/05/2011
When any war gets to the stage where one side gives up there are usually peace talks of some kind. Then you let everyone go after a couple of years....if you win.
01:55 PM on 09/07/2011
I didn't know that al Qiada was a signatory of the Geneva Convention? Also, it appears that had the political left not caused the confusion, military tribunals would have done America a better deed making mute letting terrorists go to again attack Americans, others and our interests.
08:14 PM on 09/07/2011
They dont have to be a signatory. It only applies to those who sign it and its a very good piece of legislation. Its sad to see that Al Qaidas message is being received so well in the countries that it attacked. At this rate we will have binned all our rights and what will we have achieved?

In my humble opinion I think they should have all been put in prisoner of war camps. When the wars over(100 years?) then they can go home but until that point hard luck. That way we get what we want and maintain our dignity.

Al Qaida couldnt have achieved half of what it has to date without sympathetic legislators on side destroying perfectly adequate laws and conventions already on the books simply to look like they are doing something! No amount of explosives, threats or diplomacy in the world could have done what our idiotic politicians have done with gusto. All ironically in the name of freedom!
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02:19 PM on 09/04/2011
All of these Muslim extremist terrorist should have been killed in the combat theater and never sent to Gitmo in the first place.
Now we have fed, clothed, & educated these terrorists and released them right back into their nest of terrorists to resume killing more innocent Americans and we still wind up killing them, except NOW they get to cliam NATO killed innocent children and citizens while doing so.
When will we ever smarten up?
Muslim terrorists are just like cockroaches, they must be exterminated... no exceptions.
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yoyodyne666
is it friday yet?
05:01 AM on 09/05/2011
"innocent Americans" ? in Afghanistan, shirley you jest ......
12:54 PM on 09/05/2011
yoyo, it's surely not shirley ( a female name).
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youarenotGod
03:41 AM on 09/06/2011
In180388--Help me out here...you label the released preisoner as a "Muslim extremist terrorist" determined to "resume killing more innocent Americans..." I think you would agree the US is engaged in armed combat on foreign soil. US troops are on foreign soil attempting to defeat the enemy. This guy is in his homeland (though I don't know if he is Afghani, I assume he is from the Middle East). If China had troops occupying America, and you were engaged in an armed struggle to remove them, would you consider yourself a ( fill in a religion or not) extremist terrorist and view a soldier as an innocent Chinese? I suspect not. Finally, since 9-11 our govt has waged a very effective propaganda campaign to convince the American public that any Muslim engaged in armed conflict with an American--soldier or civilian--is an extremist, a terrorist and does not deserve to live. That is pretty sad.
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Democrab
Pretty far so good
02:04 PM on 09/04/2011
Is it the American way to incarcerate people who might be a problem later on? If that were true we could arrest people at random suspecting they might commit murder or robbery or shoplift or jaywalk. That sounds like Bush/Cheney logic. Beavis and Butthead got attacked on their watch so they wanted to arrest and spy on everybody so it didn't happen again, supposedly. This guy went back and fought with al-Qaida and is a bad guy. But you can't arrest everybody for what they might do, unless you're in the cast of "Minority Report."
ttruckr23
Empty?.... Not anymore.
01:58 PM on 09/04/2011
Imagine this..... 4% extremists out of 1.8 BILLION. What does that mean? To me, it means there's a lot more of 'em to pop and getting out of the areas they mainly operate in would be a major mistake.

Perhaps if we elimiminate with extreme prejudice 1/2 of 'em, spending eternity with 100 virgins won't look as appetizing to those left, and they'll go back to herding goats and growing poppies.
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youarenotGod
03:49 PM on 09/04/2011
Sadly, your comment is full of arrogance, prejudice and ignorance. I found an article that cited 1% of Muslims are extremists, not 4% as you claim. Your arrogance is notable with your statement that "there's a lot more of 'em to pop..." There are groups with radical and dangerous beliefs within the US--the Aryan Nation, the KKK, several street gangs, the Mafia, drug rings etc. Many members of those groups would "pop"you if your ethnicity offends them, or if you have something they want. Your prejudice is evident by your generalization of Muslims. Past generations of Americans hated Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor--subjected them to living in concentration camps until the end of the war. Past generations enslaved Africans and believed them to be sub-human. Past generations were responsible for the deaths of several million Indians over a 400-year period. They died of massacres and infections such as small pox and measles introduced by settlers. The Indian population was reduced to roughly 250,000 by 1900. That qualifies as one of the most egregious genocides in history. Finally, your ignorance is displayed by your comment that ...."they'll go back to herding goats and growing poppies." They are human beings born into societies that don't enjoy our abundant natural resources and wealth. Their only resource is oil, and oil profits have gone primarily to US and British oil companies and ruling elite who have often remained in power due to US financial and military support.
12:57 PM on 09/05/2011
you,
Therefore, we should feel sorry for them? Not in this lifetime!
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03:32 AM on 09/05/2011
Are there people anywhere in the world more extreme, more unwilling to dialogue, more ready to destroy than the Republic Party?
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
01:53 PM on 09/04/2011
All witnesses to the crimes of the Military Industrial Complex are in danger.
ttruckr23
Empty?.... Not anymore.
01:59 PM on 09/04/2011
Are you related to Dharma's dad from the TV show?
fd909
Laugh a little!
01:11 PM on 09/04/2011
Mrs. Obama "How did you get that little scar on your behind"?
President Obama " I had a gitmo removed".
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TheSardonicAtheist
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01:11 PM on 09/04/2011
I thought they were going to close Gitmo? Whatever happened to that?
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Doug Sandlin
We see the world not as it is, but as we are.
09:23 PM on 09/04/2011
Republicans said No.

They do that a lot.
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yoyodyne666
is it friday yet?
05:05 AM on 09/05/2011
That seems to be the only word they know .....
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12:25 AM on 09/05/2011
It was a campaign promise , jeesh , you know how THOSE go.
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thorrsman
Why should I define myself by quoting others?
12:40 PM on 09/04/2011
Another one?
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SamEllison
I feel so clean!
12:10 PM on 09/04/2011
If he wasn't one going in,
he was one when he got out.

35,000 worldwide, but not this one.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/03/terrorism-convictions-since-sept-11_n_947865.html
There is something to say about the rule of law.
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
12:07 PM on 09/04/2011
"A NATO statement described Melma as a "key affiliate of the al-Qaida network" who was in contact with senior al-Qaida members in both Afghanistan and Pakistan."

What does that mean?

Apparently he was considered an insurgent and was assassinated leaving his home. But he wasn't killed attacking anyone. He was killed walking out of his house.

It is hard to know what, if any, useful lessons arise from this story
12:49 PM on 09/04/2011
There's no place like home.
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belovedreborn
God is not a solution, but the problem!
02:45 PM on 09/04/2011
The article said he came out with an AK47.
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yoyodyne666
is it friday yet?
05:07 AM on 09/05/2011
Nothing like good old american values.
01:50 PM on 09/04/2011
What this story is trying desperately to tell you is that he was a "key affiliate of the al-Qaida network" who was in contact with senior al-Qaida members in both Afganistan and Pakistan!

News stories aren't intended to give lessons. They are meant to inform the reader on events. Lessons are for the classroom! Take notes, there may be a pop quiz later!
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OliverTwist
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03:33 PM on 09/04/2011
There are so many stories of people associated with al Qaeda and so few stories of people actually belonging to al Qaeda. It's almost unbelievable.
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11:45 AM on 09/04/2011
The detainees at Gitmo were not brought to Gitmo because normal law enforcement/criminal evidence. Soldiers don't gather evidence to fit Miranda and chain of custody. CIA is an intelligence,not law enforcement. Article states basis for release was not "evidence" but the level of threat the intelligence indicated he posed to the US.

11% is a big deal - 850 or so have been held at Gitmo, 170 remain - 10% would be 68. Remember how many were involved in 9/11. Unlike the "normal" criminal who may re-offend and rob or kill even a few more people, these terrorists seek to kill hundreds, if not thousands.. We need better intelligence on who is captured or released - prevent the innocent from being "captured due to bounty" in the first place but not releasing a terrorist.

React after an attack again or maybe prevent? You can't fight terrorism globally with only US law enforcement model. In the US, the FBI is gathering evidence, building a case - prosecuting successfully. But unless the FBI is going to place an Agent in every US combat situation with full crime scene support, gather evidence after a fire fight and every world wide location a terrorist might be,- evidence sufficient for a US Court will be lacking.

Limit the definition of terrorism and terrorist activity - very narrowly then do what needs to be done. That will protect more rights/people than anything else.
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SamEllison
I feel so clean!
12:33 PM on 09/04/2011
We don't need no stinking laws.....
That will make you more terrorists than you can Gitmo-ize......
Of course you can get in bed with the pharaohs like Mubarak and
the mad Libyan but you sell your soul to the devil.
fd909
Laugh a little!
01:05 PM on 09/04/2011
I'd rather sell my soul to the devil than give it to allah.
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01:36 PM on 09/04/2011
The laws I am talking about is the trend to call things that are not terrorism, terrorism. How is a 8 year old making terroristic threats bringing a knife to school? So no, we don't need those laws - We need to have a clear definition of terrorism and terrorist - so we don't get the freedom fighter (even if disagree with the US stance) being called a terrorist as indicated in the comment below.
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youarenotGod
12:36 PM on 09/04/2011
Hypothetically...a foreign military force is occupying the US...you are captured for resisting the occupation and attempting to do your part to end the occupation...after several months in a prison camp, you are released back to your home. Would you resume your efforts to end the occupation or sit quietly at home (having learned your lesson)? When Afghanis were fighting the Soviet military occupation during the 1980s, the US provided weapons to them including Stinger missiles. Reagan called them Freedom Fighters! They eventually drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Now we condemn countries who are allegedly providing support to end the US occupation (Iran and Pakistan specifically). And we call the fighters terrorists and extremists! In most reports from the White House regarding al Qaeda, the claim is made that US actions have severely crippled the organization and they are not the threat they once were. Now this guy is supposedly a "key al Qaeda ally" who was had been "organizing attacks" and "funding insurgents." The article conveniently spells out the risks associated with closing Gitmo " without letting loose people who will launch attacks on Americans." All the US needs to do is end its military occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and close its military bases that are located in five Middle East countries. Contrary to popular propaganda lore, these people are not intent on killing Americans. They are intent on ending the US military occupation and presence in their countries.
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01:53 PM on 09/04/2011
Many of the Afghans are very happy with our presence as were the Iraqis initially (look again at the initial videos).

Unfortunately, the politicians failed to have a plan for Iraq and fired the civil servants and military, didn't help change the economics or improve life after the invasion, but made it worse. The US created more of mess by poor planning and poor execution of the war at the political level. If post invasion had been better planned, there would not have had an insurgency to the degree it became and would have had the support of the people.

The Afghans are a proud people. The Taliban was not that well liked and ruled by fear. To many Afghans, we were viewed as guests to help them get a better life, out from under the Taliban. Look at Afghanistan in the 1960's - very pro-western. The US also failed in Afghanistan to keep our promises. We promised better economy and life. The international community did spend billions but look at who got the money and how much was spent on studies and what to do versus doing.

I agree that most do not want to kill Americans and don't want us in their country beyond the guest status.

And as I state in a comment above, your right, just because a person fights on the battlefield using guerrilla warfare, does not make them a terrorist, an enemy combatant yes. Hence, my clearly limiting what is the definition of terrorist.
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02:51 PM on 09/04/2011
In the American Revolution the American patriots were considered terrorist by the British. We even used uncommon and unethical fighhting methods, like the ambush, and hit and run, instead of standikng in a line an shooting. How very unethical and unmilitary.