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Turkey: Israel Possibly Target Of More Sanctions

Turkey Israel Sanctions

SELCAN HACAOGLU and ARON HELLER   09/ 6/11 08:00 PM ET   AP

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey's prime minister said Tuesday his nation's navy will step up its surveillance of the eastern Mediterranean Sea – a move that could potentially lead to confrontation with Israel – and warned of more sanctions against Israel as relations between the former allies deteriorated further.

Turkey has already suspended its vast military ties with Israel, said it is expelling top Israeli diplomats and pledged to lobby other nations in support of the Palestinians' statehood bid after Israel refused to apologize for last year's raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla that killed nine Turkish pro-Palestinian activists.

The sudden measures mark a stunning reversal for the two nations, who were once each other's top military trading partners and used to regularly train together on each other's soil.

Israel has expressed regret for the loss of lives aboard the flotilla and said Tuesday it was time for the two countries to restore their former close ties.

"Israel and Turkey are the two strongest nations in the Middle East and in many respects, the most important," Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said before Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's latest threats.

"We have disputes, and even in the case of disputes, it's very important that the two sides use their brains and not act from the gut. It would be best for all involved and in the interest of regional stability to patch things up," Barak said.

A United Nations report released last week said Israel's naval blockade of Gaza was a "legitimate security measure," but also called the raid on the flotilla that tried to break the blockade "excessive and unreasonable." It also said Turkey and the flotilla organizers contributed to the bloodshed.

Israel has accepted the U.N. report, albeit with reservations. Turkey has rejected it.

Erdogan has said the "report does not mean anything for us," and announced the suspension of some trade and military relations. Turkey has not imposed a trade embargo on Israel but suspended ongoing defense projects and purchases from Israeli defense firms.

The breakdown in relations has hurt a key alliance for Israel, which has considered Turkey its strongest ally in the Muslim world.

It is unclear what impact the Turkish decision to scale back economic ties will have. Israeli defense officials said there have not been any new agreements since 2008, just before relations began to deteriorate.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were discussing a sensitive diplomatic matter, said Israel was committed to the existing deals and would continue to provide military gear to Turkey despite the latest crisis.

At its height in the late 1990s, Israel exported to Turkey billions of dollars worth of tanks, unmanned aircraft and military technology. Turkey is also a top business partner and tourist destination for Israelis.

Israeli officials noted paradoxically that despite the tension in recent years, 2011 has been a record year thus far in overall trade.

Relations began deteriorating as a result of Israel's campaign against Gaza rocket launchers in early 2009, in which about 1,400 Palestinians were killed, and worsened dramatically after the May 2010 raid on the Mavi Marmara vessel.

Turkey's latest moves were prompted after it was disappointed by the U.N. report's failure to criticize Israel more strongly and force it to apologize.

Erdogan did not detail what the next round of sanctions against Israel would include. But he vowed to ensure "freedom of navigation" in the eastern Mediterranean by using Turkey's naval bases in the ports of Iskenderun and Aksaz to "keep the area under constant surveillance."

"Of course, our ships will show themselves quite often from now on. We will see it very often," Erdogan said.

Israel's navy closely protects its coastline and enforces the Gaza blockade, but does not have a major naval presence in the eastern Mediterranean.

Turkey's main opposition party warned last week that military moves could lead to confrontation between Turkish and Israeli forces.

"The probability that (Turkey's ruling) party has carried Turkey to the brink of a hot conflict is saddening and unacceptable," said Faruk Logoglu, a deputy chairman of the opposition Republican People's Party.

Alon Liel, a former Israeli ambassador to Turkey, said a conflict on the seas was a possibility.

"I don't think they would dare to penetrate Israeli waters," he told reporters in Jerusalem. But he said Turkey may try to disrupt future Israeli gas exports to Cyprus and he warned of a new Turkish-Egyptian alliance that could isolate Israel in the Mediterranean.

Israel's opposition leader, Tzipi Livni, on Tuesday urged the countries to "put aside all the emotions and to enter the room and to discuss what are the next best steps in order to stop this crisis."

In Washington, the Obama administration was scrambling to keep ties between the two U.S. allies from deteriorating further.

Senior American diplomats, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, are working with both countries to "de-escalate" and "defuse" the crisis, the State Department said Tuesday. Turkey is a key NATO ally of the United States, while Israel is America's top ally in the Middle East.

"We have over many months tried to work with our ally Turkey and our ally Israel to strengthen and improve their bilateral relationship," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said. "We still believe that getting back to a good partnership between them is in each of their interests, and we will continue to work for that goal with both of them. But we are concerned about the state of the relationship today."

Clinton discussed the matter at length with Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu last Thursday in Paris, while two top Mideast specialists, David Hale and Dennis Ross, raised the issue with Israeli officials on Tuesday.

Israeli military officials said they doubted the crisis would devolve into violence. One senior official said the Israeli assessment is that Turkey is not looking for a conflict, but is trying to flex its muscles with Israel to gain influence in the Arab world.

He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not permitted to discuss the matter publicly.

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Aron Heller reported from Jerusalem. Associated Press writers Suzan Fraser in Ankara and Amy Teibel in Jerusalem contributed to this report.

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09:29 AM on 09/19/2011
"The probability that (Turkey's ruling) party has carried Turkey to the brink of a hot conflict is saddening and unacceptable," said Faruk Logoglu, a deputy chairman of the opposition Republican People's Party.
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Erdogan is tying the AKP to an Egyptian corpse, according to this economic analysis:

http://pajamasmedia.com/spengler/2011/09/18/erdogan-has-good-reason-to-be-crazy/?singlepage=true
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
02:34 AM on 09/10/2011
I hope the Turks are aware that their naked leader Emperor Erdogan seemed to want to go back to the un-glory days of the Ottoman backward empire of yesteryears with the rule of the Islam and Sharia…..
Good grief, no wonder the EU had a second thought about admitting them to the Union…..LMAO
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Greg Mirsky
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11:48 AM on 09/09/2011
Standard & Poor's raised this week Israel's long-term foreign currency credit rating from A to A+ praising Israel's "prosperous and resilient economy, strong institutions, ongoing fiscal consolidation, and robust external performance". This is remarkable accomplishment of Israeli business leaders, workers, and, by all means, Prime-Minister Netanyahu. Mazl Tov!
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12:48 AM on 09/09/2011
An apology, returning the vessels that took part in the flotilla, compensating the casualties and their families, lifting the Gaza blockade, and Israeli acquiescence to an international probe – these were the Turkish demands from Israel a few weeks after the Marmara events, so that the Turks won’t slam the door in Israels face and be kind enough to return the Turkish ambassador to Tel Aviv.



Yet now, after their hopes were dashed, with the international committee that the Turks so much wanted failing to meet Turkey’s incredibly impudent demand for an anti-Israeli legal document, Erdogan has no option left but to raise the bar of threats and sanctions.
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blackhawk78
11:14 PM on 09/07/2011
Just think about... Erdogan is waving his flags, raging and raving out loud... But in reality the country is ruled by the idiot who already ran his military to the ground... He can't even place small number of troops on the Syrian grounds to protect the civilians... Assad is laughing at him....
Also, what happen with the another flotilla? He, Erdogan understood that being wrong second time is not a good idea - it sure will hurt his credentials. This is why it is not going anywhere. So let him rage and rave on surface...
By the way, the islamization of Turkey will not happen, no matter how much he (Erdogan) would like to shift to this direction. People all over the world including Turkey understand that Arab Spring is turning into Radical Islamic Winter. They don't want anything to do with it.
12:03 AM on 09/08/2011
Yes Erdogan and the AK party have run Turkey to the ground bringing unprecedented growth and economic prosperity to Turkey for the past decade how horrible for Turkey.

"radcial Islamic Winter" Did you happen to get that from general Eisenberg the idf home front commander who said the exact same thing? The next day Barak rebuked those assertions by saying there is no war coming. You need to get your own material.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-home-front-command-likelihood-of-all-out-middle-east-war-increasing-1.382728
02:51 AM on 09/08/2011
Erdogan is purging the Turkish military from proxies of Israel, thats why you guys are so angry at him

It will be a few less generals in turkish army, but much more of a cohesive force
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nycpaladin
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05:28 PM on 09/08/2011
Oooh! "Proxies of Israel." McCarthyism, Turkish-style. And no doubt you have "proof" that these individuals are "proxies of Israel"--lol!!
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
02:21 AM on 09/10/2011
yavuz -- did you pick up this pearl of wisdom in the NYTimes or maybe from Henzle and Gretle fairytales.......LoL
puffadder
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08:54 PM on 09/07/2011
The moderators on this blog are a great big joke! They have surreptitously removed my commentary on the holocaust, which unfortunateoy must have miffed the royal majesty of one Anton, who probably reported it as abusive, when it was neither abusive nor contray to fact. I mnrely stated that the holocaust which happened more than 60 years ago will be deragged out of the closet very soon. All I said was that these poor souls should be left in peace and not be dragged out every year to placate a voracious appetite for continuing torture of already mutilated souls.
One never hears of the millions of Chinese who wee slaughtred by the invading Japanese and likewise by the Mao forces; or the millions of Russians shot or mutilated and tortured to death by Stalin. The holocaust is not sancrosanct!
I take extreme umbrage at this sort of surreptitious posturing on the part of crtain individuals on this blog and by the incorrect attitude taken by the moderators.
I onder if this will see the light of day in view of the incorrect attiudde of certain individuals!
puffadder
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09:18 PM on 09/07/2011
I am sorry for all the typos - it was written in a hurry!
09:39 PM on 09/07/2011
Good for them. They understand the comments that are unimportant and bigoted. If they did remove your commentary then kudos to them for their insight. Look guy you are a bigot and they saw through your rhetoric. Now do us all another favor and give us another Jew quote you find on your racist web sites. A guy that always finds fault with the Jews but can't stop quoting them to make a bigot point. Nice.
puffadder
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10:07 PM on 09/07/2011
How unfortunate that my commentaries annoy you to the point of distraction. The truth hurts, doesn't it??? And you simply can't bear it! Quel dommage! The fault is not with jews per se, but with Militancy by a rabid bunch of war mongers in Israel. There are much too many Jews who seek peace, not war with the Palestinians, and are sick and tired of all the harangue they are receiving from the Militants.
puffadder
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10:25 PM on 09/07/2011
Tis indeed a pity that you are so jealous of my prowess! The only commentaries that seem to carry any weight are those that you so glibly make. As for being bigotted.. there is no greater bigot than you! And as you say, Nice!
08:33 PM on 09/07/2011
While flotilla madness continues on HP - here's what they should be worried about:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/06/india-pakistan-border-iss_n_951002.html?ir=World

WWIII

Oh, and the 9 civilians murdered in Syria EACH day. But, nah, they don't matter.
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madsen26
10:49 PM on 09/07/2011
Since when did 9 civilians a day in Syria matter to you? They're "just Arabs" and "just Muslims" and P.S. "just GOYIM". Guilty on all three counts and suitable for butchery according to those rabbis that advise members of the Israeli government.
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nycpaladin
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11:52 PM on 09/07/2011
Apparently those Arabs matter a whole lot more to the pro-Israel posters, of which I am a proud part, than the Israel haters here--who would much rather deflect from Assad's atrocities and go after Israel for the most trivial reasons instead.
08:22 AM on 09/08/2011
Given your hysterical raving anti-Israel and anti-semitic comments I don't need to "prove" my humanity to you.

Here's a taste from your comments: "How many Palestinia­n babies have you barbecued at the Kosher Butcher Shop!”
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Sonic hedgehog
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12:35 AM on 09/08/2011
Why do you do this all the time? This is a giant website with thousands of articles and blog posts, why do you assume that everybody cares nothing other than your beloved Israel? If you don't wanna read people's comments then don't unless you're getting paid to do this. You're also accusing HP to be focusing on flotilla madness while showing a different article ON HP about your deflection point, very convincing argument there, congrats!!!
08:27 AM on 09/08/2011
Wow! You're reaching out to me. Touching. One of my prime interests (for which I'm still waiting for the Jewish Council check for BTW! or maybe they don't pay gentiles...) is the singling out of Israel for criticism when much more horrible things happen around the world almost on an hourly basis. It shortchanges the 90% of people on the planet that could use the attention more and it prolongs the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Flotilla Madness to me is just the most recent epitome of this phenom. There! I'm giving you my honest agenda.
07:05 PM on 09/07/2011
more than 1500 comments about two countries in the MId East.
Jewish internet defence force is going full power ahead..
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10:16 PM on 09/08/2011
Of course, Jews control the internet too. Duh.
07:02 PM on 09/07/2011
I think Turkey is jumping with both feet into the huge power vacuum in the Middle East. All these years no country has ever openly questioned the legality of the Gaza Blockade. Not even the Syrians or the Saudis. And here’s Turkey filling the void. The US is clearly not leading anybody anywhere and the EU is as divided as ever.

Turkey is the first to let Israel know that its bullying days are over. Egypt is getting more assertive too. There was also a report today that Egypt is trying to convince members of the non-aligned countries to vote in favour of a Palestinian state within the 1967 boundaries. Erdogan is clearly thinking of some kind of cooperation with Egypt.

In both countries supporting the Palestinians and standing up to Israel is a very popular/populist stance. Israel is feeling the pain of the US decline earlier than anyone else.
08:35 PM on 09/07/2011
I'm all for countries getting all the rope they can to hang themselves.

Erdogan can't keep hiding the murder of Iraqi Kurds forever.

Egypt is assertive? Great! Israel should give them back Gaza. When they had it from 1948-1967 they didn't exactly proclaim a "Palestinian" self-determination manifest. Let them deal with them.
09:59 PM on 09/07/2011
More bs Turkey actually goes after the pkk a terrorist organization who runs and hides to Iraq after they conduct attacks in Turkey unlike Israel who murders women and children because they bomb indiscriminately.

The only country that's hanging themselves is Israel even America has had enough of more settlements and their bully ways.
06:58 PM on 09/07/2011
We are we giving billions of dollars in aid to Israel. For what?

- Bombing of the USS liberty?
- Israeli agents spying in the USA?
- Humulating the USA when it comes about illegal settlements?
- Giving the USA a bad image in the region?

Why arent any?
Israeli soldiers fighting shoulder by shoulder with the USA in Afghanistan?
Israeli soldiers fighting shoulder by shoulder with the USA in Iraq?
Israeli ships fighting with the USA near Somalia?,
08:35 PM on 09/07/2011
You mean the US spying on Israel or maybe you haven't read.
10:01 PM on 09/07/2011
Good Israel has been spying on America for years. What a bunch of ungrateful people.
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madsen26
11:06 PM on 09/07/2011
I thought your cheap excuse was that "all countries spy on one another so it's okay..."?

Aaaw, poor poor Jonny Pollard, rotting to death in a prison. Pass me a tissue.
08:35 PM on 09/07/2011
1. The bombing of the Liberty was an accident. But according to Arda Jews are better than human and never make mistakes. However the US does the same all the time. A transcript of the Israeli pilots shows they thought it was an Egyptian ship. 2. One Israeli agent in prison when over 20 Christians working for other countries are jailed for spying and Arda makes a rule. BTW the US has been busted spying on Israel. 3. That makes sense. Israel is not the US and works in their own interests because Israel needs the protection of the settlements from all the wars started by the ARABS. The only one humiliated is you. 4. The US will always have a bad image in the region. The US is made up of infidels and the US is a democracy and Arabs hate both and you because YOU are an infidel. So a BS post Arda, but don't let me stop you.
10:07 PM on 09/07/2011
1.It wasn't a mistake go read the testimony of the soldiers involved attacking an American ship for hours? That's a pretty big mistake. Once again paddyNY defends Israel and bashes America yet he live in NY one of those "dual citizens" we see where his loyalties lie. More BS the reason the US sees animosity in the region is because of it's policies it's all about politics not because its an "infidel" if that were true the region would hate Russia, China, and India the same since they are "infidel" yet they don't show animosity towards those countries. Your simplistic explanation of why the region has animosity towards the US is laughable at best but than again Brigitte Gabriel told you this in her book right? LOL what a joke.
06:58 PM on 09/07/2011
Senior American diplomats, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, are working with both countries to "de-escalate" and "defuse" the crisis, the State Department said Tuesday. Turkey is a key NATO ally of the United States, while Israel is America's top ally in the Middle East.

Turkey is a much better ally than Israel since its illegal birth
Anybody remember the killing of US navy personal by Israel: USS Liberty
Anybody remember the Israeli spy Polmann?
08:38 PM on 09/07/2011
So Arda decided who is a better ally? And I answered your bigot post in full. BTW who the heck is Polmann? Just another run of the mill post by another run of the mill Jew hater. Just ignore.
10:10 PM on 09/07/2011
PaddyNY standing up to the bigots of the world? Oh wait are you going to look in the mirror and stand up against yourself since most of your comments are bigoted rants?

If you don't know that Turkey who fights side by side with America is a better ally than the welfare state of Israel than you need some help.
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05:41 PM on 09/07/2011
Anyone remember when Turkey was all outraged about what was going on Syria and Edrogan promised to take "additional steps" if the killing of civilians didn't stop? Whatever happened to that?
Edrogan is starting to look like the George W Bush of Turkey. Big talk, lots of bluster, minimal thought about the consequences. This world needs more responsible leaders and fewer petulant children with too much power.
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Talab
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06:10 PM on 09/07/2011
Sounds more like a description of Bibi or Lieberman than Edrogdan ...
07:06 PM on 09/07/2011
Anybody remember the killing of US navy personal by Israel: USS Liberty
Anybody remember the Israeli spies like Polman, who stole US intelligence?
08:38 PM on 09/07/2011
You just joined and already you're barking up the good ol' USS Liberty tree?

That's pretty funny.

And who's Polman???

Go read http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/07/haiti-uruguay-sex-abuse_n_952514.html

Gotta love the guy who favored this comment!
08:40 PM on 09/07/2011
Already answered a hundred times. Just a BS post and the guy has ONE star? Imagine that. Liberty= Accident. Polman? Unknown. Look Arda if you are going to be a Jew hater at least get the names straight. Funny.
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05:23 PM on 09/07/2011
"A United Nations report released last week said Israel's naval blockade of Gaza was a "legitimate security measure," but also called the raid on the flotilla that tried to break the blockade "excessive and unreasonable." It also said Turkey and the flotilla organizers contributed to the bloodshed. Israel has accepted the U.N. report, albeit with reservations. Turkey has rejected it."

Neither "side" is totally in the right or the wrong here. Let's be reasonable, people.
puffadder
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07:28 PM on 09/07/2011
Suddenly, out of the blue,Israel and its supporteers are giving credence to the UN, when in fact it has never once answered the more thn 200 condemnations firesd at it by the very same UN. Hypocrisy is alive and well and living in Israel.
08:45 PM on 09/07/2011
Mainly because the UN is run by the 57? Islamic countries that work together. Most of the time they are in fact losers and all Puffadder has to do is to look at the Human Rights Committee to see it, but why should he bother to look when he can post more of his regular BS? Personally I am surprised to see the UN actually used their heads this time. Maybe they will continue but I really doubt it.
05:21 PM on 09/07/2011
Let's see if I have this straight, the UN has ruled that Turkey provoked the so called flotilla incident, there was minimal if any humanitarian aid on the flotilla, and the Israelis were attacked by the Turkish backed Islamacists. Now Turkey is demanding an apology. Here are the facts:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904716604576546643185160996.html?mod=ITP_opinion_2
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05:44 PM on 09/07/2011
Facts, schmacts - it's all about posturing and "face". Doesn't matter what actually happened.
10:18 PM on 09/07/2011
JerryLevy do you examine the 70 or so UN resolutions against Israel as closely as you have examined this UN report? I didn't think so.

You forgot about the part where the UN said Israel used excessive force when they shot people in the back and the part where the UN said the remaining passengers were abused. Turkey has always been demanding an apology that won't change with this report.
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11:35 PM on 09/07/2011
And those deserve examination. This article and its comments, however, are about this specific UN resolution. No one forgot the part about excessive force, but it seems you're forgetting Turkey's faults in this as well. Some people are so blinded by their hatred towards Israel that anything else gets lost in the smog.
puffadder
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04:05 PM on 09/07/2011
I am reposting this especially for the benefit of Anton:

• Following is from the many esoteric and prophetic writings of one of the most renowned Rabbis of Israel, Moses ben shem toy de Leon, (b. 1250, Leon, Spain—d. 1305, ArevaLo), Jewish Kabbalist and acknowledged author of the Sefer-ha-zohar (“The Book of Splendour”), the most important work of Jewish mysticism; for a number of centuries its influence rivaled that of the Old Testament and the Talmud, to be found in the Paris Bibliotheque, (translated from the original Hebrew, into French, and subsequently into English):.

"Israel, OH Israel There will come a day when Israel shall find herself isolated among the nations of the world, because of her iniquities against her neighbors whom she stomps under the boot of her heel, against the teachings of En Sof, her God, The Almighty One, Blessed Be Its Name."

“Israel, OH Israel, let us rid ourselves of blasphemies against the defenseless. Succor those who need salvation and by so doing declare peace with thy neighbors, and peace shall follow you unto the end of your days.”
04:41 PM on 09/07/2011
Seems like you need to find a good shrink. Good luck!
puffadder
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04:47 PM on 09/07/2011
Other than insults and derogatory remaks what can one expect from VanOne and his/her ilk??? But like the inaninity it represents that is how much influence it has on anything of value!
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04:44 PM on 09/07/2011
And what this has to do with anything?
Should I list here Nostradamus predictions? Or mayan 2011 predictions?

How do you know that Rabbi was referring to today's situation?

You pulling wise man words from the context of the book. And trying to "adjust" it to your agenda. How much you versed in Judaism, Hassidik books or Kabbalah? I presume close to none. People spend their entire lives trying to understand meaning of those.
And here you come and it's all clear for you. :-) Not very smart I would say.
puffadder
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05:26 PM on 09/07/2011
I do not need to answer to you or to anyone else about my credentials, which if you knew what they were your would shocked senseless. I know more about the many subjects of Judaism than you will ever attempt to learn. I call the shots as they are. I do not pull "wise man words from the context of the book" -
הקב"ה אלוהים בתרונוס אצילי. באתה חכמה בנה את העולם, ה.י. אולי הרקיע ישטח ואתה מלך של וואסט טרם מלכים היה ידוע. מכתבים של טאוו של שלמה י.ב.נ. גאבירול