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As Rick Perry Takes Center Stage At GOP Debate, Questions About Electability Grow Louder

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First Posted: 09/07/11 12:44 PM ET Updated: 11/07/11 05:12 AM ET

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. -- When Rick Perry takes the stage Wednesday night for his first debate as a presidential candidate, many Republicans will be wondering, "Who is this guy, really?"

Perry has shot to the head of the Republican primary field in national polls. But conversations with Republican lawmakers and voters this week have shown that many are not convinced the Texas governor has what it takes to be the party's nominee, or beat President Obama in the general election.

"I have my doubts that Perry can beat Obama in a head-to-head," said one influential Republican donor and activist in the Northeast, who said Perry has yet to come in for his "media proctology exam."

In South Carolina earlier this week, influential Republicans were also unimpressed by Perry's lead in the national polls.

"It's not going to stay," said Glenn McCall, a national committee member from South Carolina. "It's too early."

"The folks I talk to, they're concerned" about Perry's electability, McCall said, but clarified moments later that he thinks Perry is just as electable as his top GOP contender, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. While winning the South Carolina primary is considered almost a sure thing for Perry, McCall said Romney needs to be more present in the state to do his campaigning.

"Folks would like to see him here," he said.

Republican South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint also said he thinks the current polling is a mirage.

"I think we're going to see that front horse change several times, I think, over the last couple months," he said at the conclusion of a forum with Romney and several other GOP candidates on Monday. Perry did not attend the event because he was overseeing Texas's response to devastating wildfires in the state that have now killed at least four people and destroyed over 1,000 homes.

The Manchester Union Leader in New Hampshire also warned against reading too much into the polls.

"Yet again, national pundits and political handicappers are confusing the general impressions of voters as reflected in national polls with actual votes," the paper's editorial board wrote on Tuesday.

In the minds of many, the Republican primary is now about message: Romney says he's the most electable Republican, and Perry says he's the most conservative.

Perry's central message is that he has been a job creator during his 10 years as Texas governor. And Texas has led the nation in adding jobs. That message may play well with more casual voters, but more involved conservative grassroots activists may not be as impressed with Perry's credit claiming.

"Government [officials] kid themselves when they talk about creating economic growth," said Ron Vinson, 67, a retired environmental planner and registered independent from Charleston, S.C., who attended DeMint's forum on Monday.

Linda Edwards, a 54-year-old mother of two from Greenville, S.C., who teaches a science class in a home school co-op, said Texas's natural resources offered a built-in advantage for Perry's governorship.

"Texas is a state that can pretty much run itself. Pretty much anyone could have done that," she said of Texas' economic growth. Vinson said governments can create conditions for the private sector to grow faster and create more jobs.

That idea is one of the central thrusts of the 88-page jobs plan that Romney unveiled on Tuesday. But Romney still faces barriers with Tea Party types like Vinson that are even higher than Perry's.

"I'm afraid Romney is still too much of a government guy and the last thing we need to do is elect another Northeastern, liberal establishment guy," Vinson said.

Even the Wall Street Journal bashed Romney's plan, saying it was "a technocrat's guide more than a reform manifesto."

Romney hedged on such issues as entitlement reform and tax rates for individuals. The plan he released was more of an economic treatise -- and a takedown of President Obama's own philosophy -- than it was a detailed plan for the thorniest challenges Romney would face as president. But it was designed to look presidential: It was published as a book, with a Kindle edition that could be read on an iPad or iPhone, and a cover design that looked like a White House report.

Romney is betting hard on his electability argument. Perhaps he has read the electorate correctly and knows what Republican voters want most is to beat Obama.

But Romney's lack of a detailed position on big issues may offer an opportunity for Perry -- if the Texas governor can propose a few key ideas that are radical enough to rouse the conservative grassroots, without offending or turning away independents and more moderate Republicans.

In the current political environment, the appetite for conservative purity is ravenous. But the desire to deny Obama another term may be equally strong. It's likely that more rank-and-file Republican primary voters than usual will look at how Perry might fare in a general election, and how he would play in the key states that will determine the nomination.

A Tuesday op-ed in the Journal by Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political science professor, renewed concern that only four years removed from President George W. Bush, a Texas governor may not be best suited to carry the GOP over the line in the key 2012 battleground states: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Virginia, Michigan, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Perry will have to answer questions about whether he is too much of a "cowboy," as one of his own fundraisers put it, or "a little too loose."

"Can he convince people that he can lead the country?" the fundraiser asked.

In particular, Perry's "Texas twang," and what Politico called the "treasure trove" of opposition research that Perry created by releasing his very blunt book, "Fed Up," last year are on the minds of Republicans.

"That has a lot of people nervous," said one Republican National Committee member.

When Perry officially announced his campaign in August, he was more restrained and measured than he often is as a speaker. Look for him to continue to rein himself in as he begins his sales pitch in earnest in his first presidential pirmary debate.

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SIMI VALLEY, Calif. -- When Rick Perry takes the stage Wednesday night for his first debate as a presidential candidate, many Republicans will be wondering, "Who is this guy, really?" Perry has sho...
SIMI VALLEY, Calif. -- When Rick Perry takes the stage Wednesday night for his first debate as a presidential candidate, many Republicans will be wondering, "Who is this guy, really?" Perry has sho...
 
 
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LittleOldLadyWho 04:54 PM on 09/07/2011
The SMART thing that Perry could have done for his state would have been to call a "rally" for the citizens of Texas to explain the his "people" the realities of what challenges laid ahead to get and keep the fires under control.

He could have let his "people" know what agencies and services were available to the "people" of Texas as they battled one of the state's most  Read More...
10:27 AM on 10/31/2011
As a human being it is our responsibility to save our humanity and to save our life without any enemy nature.I have found that the world is running with the principle of "natures of charity and enemy" that is why we see many killing activities among the human beings to say his/her greatness/ego and to kill competition. God has given knowledge to each and every human being on specific activities. No human being is great. human being life is knotted by support of other human beings.Every human being is responsible to popularize the humanity with helping the poor and correcting the rude persons' thinking.I request every human being to provide his/her experiences on his/her facing situations/problems to share our experiences to gain knowledge on humanity for developing our human beings life style.
All Human Beings are equal.No killing of human being is encouraged.Every human being is left this land.So, the wealthy man should support the poor man.
No human being is great. No human being is versatile in any field. Human being is limited to do activities.some can do some activities but not all activities. No caste/region/religion/country/race or all the differences in any kind is dominate on human beings as all human beings are mutual supporters to grow among them.
bdrofbam ramarao balla
03:51 PM on 10/20/2011
WE NEED NOT ANOTHER TEXAN DISGUISED AS A CONSERVATIVE TO BE OUR PRESIDENT AGAIN. BUSH WAS ENOUGH, AND PERRY WOULD BE A CLONE OF BUSH. WE SIMPLY CAN'T MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE LIKE THE LAST TWO PRESIDENTS. WE NEED TO CHANGE COURSE BACK TO GOVERNMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE AMERICAN CITIZENS NOT THE WALL STREET BANKS AND SPECIAL INTERESTS. PERRY WOULD BE JUST AS MUCH A PUPPET AS IS OBAMA. I LIKE NEWT, HE HAS THE BRAINS,AND THE CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL SKILLS TO ANIALATE OBAMA IN ANY DEBATE.
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roadking01
a dem trying to make a difference
10:58 AM on 10/20/2011
well at least it won't be cain and his 666 video ideas. i hope it's perry because he has no chance of beating obama. not that any of the gop candidates do but romney "if any" would probably have a small chance but i doubt it. i am glad the republican party are spread so thin between all of their candidates. OBAMA IN 2012.
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Blackorpheus
the decisive blows are always struck left-handed
01:17 PM on 09/17/2011
There's even a rumor afloat that it was Texas Rick disguised as Alaska Sarah who snorted coke from the top of that oil can.
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KenClay
REPEAL DOMA
11:47 AM on 09/17/2011
Perry is a Ponzi F R A U D
12:29 PM on 09/14/2011
Perry's comment to Bachmann the other night, "I raised $30 million," Perry said. "If you think I can be bought for $5,000, then I'm offended,", implies he could be bought for perhaps a little more than that, doesn't it? It sounds almost like an advertisement. I think we have too many politicans in it for the money. Perry and Bachmann are both right wing fringies. Perry's is closely affiliated with a pecualiar Christian organization. The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) believes they are living self appointed apostles, and they were the main sponsors of his recent 'Christian Rally' in Texas. Their goal is to take control of the government (and the media and everything else - looks like they want total control over everybody - kind of like scientology). They think Perry is their man. That will eventually haunt him, and Bachmann is dyslexic with her facts, and she has some bad affiliations as well (not just with the madhatterteaparty - what about the org her husband runs that tries to correct homosexuals inot being straight? her unsubstantiable claims to fostering 23 children? she is a mill that churns out misinformation i.e. She thought the battles at Concord and Lexington were fought in New Hampshire? LOL) Check http://skydancingblog.com/2011/06/20/why-we-should-worry-about-michele-bachmann/ - here is more about Perry's affiliation with NAR, the sponsors of his rally: http://www.christianpost.com/news/are-evangelicals-seeking-dominion-over-politics-government-54726/ and http://wwrn.org/articles/36072/?&place=north-america
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roadking01
a dem trying to make a difference
10:52 AM on 10/20/2011
impressive jack. looks like you have been doing your home work. about time someone did.
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MalleusMaleficarum
Global nomad.
08:19 AM on 09/09/2011
Electability is the issue. Perry is not electable. The Republicans are lost in a vast cul-de-sac. Wandering in a labyrinth, a maze within a maze - Romney is crossing a vast desert devoid of context, a thin veil of security blinds him to his own ignorance. The world sees him, but he cannot envision the world beyond the Texas of "No Country for Old Men." Tragic - for Perry. Tragic for the Republicans who follow him. Tragic for the world.
08:50 PM on 09/08/2011
Perry is more electable than Mitt to the general population because he is more authentic. But to the kingmakers, it is probably easier to buy Mitt than Perry who is his own man. However, Perry might be easily persuaded. Perry is certainly a lot more fun to listen to. It is almost painful to listen to Mitt (and Bachman).
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roadking01
a dem trying to make a difference
11:00 AM on 10/20/2011
and especially cain tidyus.
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Binea
Only a fool denies she is a fool, I am no fool
02:14 PM on 09/08/2011
Mr.Ward
a story somehow got to me via Facebook about Rick Perry Physically assaulting Ron Paul during a commercial brk at last debate. IF true the man should be arrested..at the very Least Rand Paul and any other males in Pauls family should go kick his Arse !
will you check into the facts of the story please..not sure of this source or exactly how I found the story via facebook these candidates need Body Guards

http://nation.foxnews.com/2012-presidential-debates/2011/09/08/meeting-minds-during-debate-break
12:28 PM on 09/08/2011
after reverend rick shows the rest of the country his dim country boy wit
he won't even last to the end of the primaries
it is my hope that he wins the primaries and gets totally embarassed in the election
mabay then texans will stop electing this fool govener
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roadking01
a dem trying to make a difference
11:02 AM on 10/20/2011
f&f que. who ever it is will get embarassed.
10:04 AM on 09/08/2011
Even if he weren't still among those pretending that climate change isn't happening (while his state burns), even if he hadn't tried to force parents to inject their daughters with a vaccine whose manufacturer he has financial ties to, even if he weren't a religious fanatic who is comfortable trying to force his beliefs on the rest of us - even if none of that were true - someone who can be cavalier about executing anyone, not to mention more than one person who was pretty clearly acknowledged to be innocent - doesn't deserve to be given the job of dog catcher, none-the-less president.
10:08 AM on 09/08/2011
I keep trying to imagine Perry representing the U.S. to the world. What President Obama has done to improve the standing of our country in the world, Rick Perry would undo in days.
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tjdwill02
There is no free lunch
11:06 AM on 09/08/2011
And just what has Obama done to " improve our standing in the world "? Russia rolled him, its clear Iran thinks he's a lightweight as they continue threaten us because Obama seems determined to do nothing to stop them from going nuclear. Turkey, a former ally, has now chosen to ally itself with Iran. Israel, always under siege, and he can't decide whether or not to stand with them, throw them under the bus, or just get out of the way. He's ignored the war at our border, while steam rolling a state's right to protect itself from foreign invasion. Korea told him to take a hike. And now he gave , Mubarack, a 30 year ally, the cold shoulder.
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So silly
09:59 AM on 09/08/2011
Josh Brolin needs a job, run Perry.
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Mr Hoodoo
Card Carryin' Popeyeist
09:58 AM on 09/08/2011
"Who Is This Guy, Really?"

Oh, just another cartoon cowboy gizmo from asylumstate of Texas. Like Yeorgie Dubblebubbleya!
10:09 AM on 09/08/2011
More and more Texans will come forward with information about this guy. I'm guessing many of them would be afraid of someone of his "caliber" running this country.
12:31 PM on 09/08/2011
i am from texas and rick boy is simple
not fit to be in any political office
the rest of the nation will soon come to know this
09:23 AM on 09/08/2011
Ah, come on Liberals, you can do bett4er than this! Start some really bad stuff about Perry and see if it has legs....
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So silly
10:00 AM on 09/08/2011
Okay. He used to be a Democrat.
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HUFFPOST PUNDIT
Changeover
Got the runway in sight.
05:55 PM on 09/13/2011
21 years ago.  Lib Byrd was in the clan also but that was cool so there must be a statue of limitations.
10:10 AM on 09/08/2011
I suspect many from your own state will do that for us.
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09:06 AM on 09/08/2011
Proof that s _ _ t can walk and talk at the same time.