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Economists: Employer Tax Breaks May Be Weakest Link In Obama Jobs Plan

First Posted: 09/08/11 09:35 PM ET Updated: 11/08/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama staked his presidency on a $447 billion jobs plan presented to Congress Thursday night, and a surprisingly large chunk of that plan -- some $65 billion -- is devoted to payroll tax cuts for employers.

When it comes to creating an economic turnaround, however, those generous cuts may well be the weakest ingredient in the pot. They may be easier to sell to business-friendly Republicans, but according to some economists, such employer tax breaks tend to offer significantly less value than, say, infrastructure spending or unemployment benefits.

The president's plan would slash by 50 percent the taxes that employers pay on their first $5 million in payroll, capped so that the benefits would fall mostly to small businesses. The plan would also eliminate those taxes altogether for businesses that brought on new workers or increased the wages of their existing workers.

"Pass this jobs bill and all small business owners will see their payroll taxes cut in half next year," Obama told lawmakers. "You should pass it right away."

The idea is simple: If a healthy business is weighing whether or not to make new hires, these tax breaks may give it just enough incentive to finally pull the trigger.

Yet some economists say many such businesses probably would have made those hires anyway, regardless of the tax breaks -- and the tax breaks happen to be expensive.

"That seems to me to be largely a waste," Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, said of the proposed payroll tax cuts. "You're handing money to businesses that won't do much that they wouldn’t have done otherwise. There's some incentive effect, but I worry just not much."

As Baker noted, the economy has been adding jobs -- it's just been losing them, as well. He said the businesses that are growing will add jobs whether or not the government sweetens the pot with employer-side tax breaks.

Still, while they may not be the best way to spend money, payroll tax cuts can only help an economy stalled at 9.1 percent unemployment.

"There are all these estimates of so-called bang-for-the-buck attached to these various stimulus proposals," said Isabel Sawhill, a budget expert at the Brookings Institution. The employer tax break "is not really well targeted, but it's a simple, straightforward way to give companies the incentive to hire more people."

The cuts may not be as effective as more direct spending, but they would certainly be more palatable politically, Sawhill said. "From a political perspective, the problem with infrastructure spending is Republicans will probably stonewall them," she said. "They'll have a harder time saying we don’t want a tax cut that would [help] small businesses."

On a dollar-for-dollar basis, however, an employee payroll tax break would provide a greater economic boost, according to economist Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute, a think tank partly supported by labor unions.

"Reducing taxes on [workers] is more likely to put money into the economy than reducing taxes on employers who may be sitting on cash," Shierholz said.

The proposed jobs plan would slash worker payroll taxes in half at a cost of roughly $175 million.

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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama staked his presidency on a $447 billion jobs plan presented to Congress Thursday night, and a surprisingly large chunk of that plan -- some $65 billion -- is devot...
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama staked his presidency on a $447 billion jobs plan presented to Congress Thursday night, and a surprisingly large chunk of that plan -- some $65 billion -- is devot...
 
 
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
11:36 AM on 09/16/2011
I have said it earlier but apparently it needs to be said again.

The new Obama “jobs bill” is not by any means entirely about jobs. This is very disappointing. In view of our critical deficit problem every penny of new spending in this context needs to be specifically and DIRECTLY about jobs. Hire the UNEMPLOYED privately or PUBLICLY. At this point, we do not need to move a worker from job A to job B !! Bring back FDR.


The payroll tax cut provision largely benefits employers and will mostly enable the bigger ones to hoard more millions of dollars under their mattress. Obama needs to go back to the drawing board on this.

Republicans will not be seduced by this transparent embellishment to what purports to be a “jobs bill” and would have blocked any bill irrespective of it.
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Mister Grumpy
An Angry American
03:44 PM on 09/12/2011
We all know how well the tax breaks have worked up to now.......... so lets give them some more.......
12:36 AM on 09/12/2011
If I was running things this kind of a tax break would only happen if those hired were out of work for a long time. If this is not done then the unintended consequence could be to increase the turnover rate of those who are already employed which would reduce our producivity but not the unemployement rate.
alunsulen
Digging the liberal hatred!
11:33 AM on 09/11/2011
Taxpayers told the libs where to shove it in 2010. They are still in denial.
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HMDMSR
Workers of the world, unite!
11:58 AM on 09/11/2011
You're right about that--the taxpayers are still in denial.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
12:19 PM on 09/11/2011
And once they wake up, they'll never vote for another conservative ever again.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
12:18 PM on 09/11/2011
Was that why almost every liberal won their election in 2010? By comparison, conservatives have lost every election in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011. The American taxpayer is fed up with footing the bills for the conservative's big-squandering ways.
12:46 AM on 09/12/2011
Ummm... Russ Feingold???
08:07 PM on 09/10/2011
Balanced trade and the return of the old New Deal is the only viable starting point. There is no other solution.

Instead, Obama is ruining the Social Security - for his neocon masters.SS is the last remnant of the New Deal, soon it will experiance large deficits and will be blamed for being "unsustainable". The SS is doomed by Obama's plan. He and Parry started attacking it from two different directions. Same play, different actors.

There is only one party, the good cop - bad cop party... and they change roles every now and then to keep the game entertaining.
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GraniteSkyline
I wish you happiness!
05:50 PM on 09/10/2011
Okay tea partiers, watch and learn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEezGOB_dt0
12:48 AM on 09/12/2011
Sorry, they are too busy ranting to listen to anything, least of all the voice of reason.
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FireThemAll2012
I'm also the 53%
04:02 PM on 09/10/2011
wanna pump some money into the economy? let every single person wityh a mortgage no matter what they owe, credit ratings, anything. Let everyone refinance thier current, not newly bought, homes with todays low interest rate. Its instant extra money in everyones hands,
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
12:22 PM on 09/11/2011
And the funny thing is, the banks have already been paid for the losses they'd take by lowering the principal on "underwater" morgages. But they won't lower it, and force the homeowners into foreclosre. That's why they're called the mortgage fraud industry.
01:59 PM on 09/10/2011
This is what made me angry during his speech. It's just stupid. Why? Because there is no amount of money - much less tax break - which will cause one of the non-job-creators to hire someone UNLESS there is more demand for his goods and/or services which he cannot meet with his existing employees. If someone will hire an employee just because he's getting a tax cut - even though there is no need to hire an employee to meet business demand - then he's a businessman heading for bankruptcy. This is also why the rich are not 'job creators', but I digress.

The ONLY thing which will boost the economy is to put more people to work. The ONLY way to put more people to work is to stimulate DEMAND. The ONLY way to stimulate demand is to put money directly into the hands of people who will spend nearly all of it very rapidly...and those would be all people whose lives are the very opposite of monetarily successful people. Business owners and wealthy people already have money and aren't spending it. How much more should they be given before we finally get it through all of our thick skulls that giving them more does the opposite of stimulating the economy. They've been a drag on the economy for at least the last 15 years. (It's all about income inequality ...concentrate a very high percentage of income at the top and the economy will slowly disintegrate.)
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
02:33 PM on 09/10/2011
putting one thousand dollars each in 300 million hands would have done a much better job of getting the economy going in the right direction
06:14 PM on 09/10/2011
Not really. Putting $600 billion in the hands of the lowest income 70% of the population over a 12 month period would be more effective. It's certain that giving tax breaks or stimulus money to anyone in the top 10% is simply a waste of money. They won't spend much of it and what they do spend, they'll spend very slowly. They'll invest it, but we don't need a stock market bubble or higher gold prices. What we need is consumer spending to spur hiring, and the faster the money is spent, the faster more people will be hired...and the snowball effect will be in progress. $600 billion is about 4% of the economy. Fund it with $600 billion in deficit spending and the economy will grow at least 6%.

One year of 6% growth and there won't be a need for any additional stimulus funding, tax revenues will increase, social safety net and unemployment spending will decrease, and the only fiscal problems remaining in the short term will be the wars and the Republicans yearly welfare program for big pharma and HMOs.
06:14 PM on 09/10/2011
Once those boondoggles are eliminated, a slight change to SS taxes to eliminate the cap on contributions for high income earners along with economic means testing for recipients will solve the relatively minor SS problem which occurs in the late 2030s. The real long term problem is Medicare/Medicaid, but it's not really a Medicare/Medicaid problem. It's much bigger than that. It's a U.S. Health Care System problem. American health care currently costs the American people $2.5 trillion per year, and rising...fast. The whole health care edifice is very badly broken, aside from the fact that it's rated the 34th best in the world. The country DESPERATELY NEEDS a single-payer, or single-source, management of the system both to reduce costs and to improve care...especially emergency care which is suffering to the point of effective collapse due to the number of people who swamp emergency rooms every year for free care because they cannot afford private insurance. We pay 50% to 100% more for health care, as a percentage of GDP, than any of the other developed nations of the world, most of whom have systems which provide much better health care outcomes. In fact, health care in the U.S. costs a bit over $8000 per year for every man, woman and child in America, regardless of who pays or doesn't pay and regardless of how the money is paid.
07:56 PM on 09/10/2011
Martel LXIV: "The ONLY way to put more people to work is to stimulate DEMAND."

Demand for what? Chinese goods? Because there is nothing else on the market anymore.

Keynes himself was for BALANCED TRADE. He had even made an alternative plan for international trade, making sure that there would be no deficits. Also he abhorred deficit spending, his idea was surplices n good times and balanced by spending in downturns.

Without balanced trade and Glass-Steagall we will continue downhill... in a race to the bottom.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
12:24 PM on 09/11/2011
Government spending on infrastructure projects increases demand for goods and services. We aren't importing concrete from China. We aren't importing construction workers from China.
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kauthon
09:55 PM on 09/11/2011
Arktig. For some reason americans won't see that we have a huge currency/trade problem with china. I myself haven't figured out how to convey this the ley folk. If you think of a goodway please feel free to message me and I"ll pass it on.
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sharin
severely liberal and proud of it
09:10 AM on 09/10/2011
This author sites one economist, Dean Baker, who gives the continued tax break a weak rating for helping the jobs market. Gee what a surprise - the thing that the GOP pushes, tax breaks, is the weakest jobs incentive. SOMEthing has to be the weakest but, yes, it is still a small incentive.
What makes it an incentive is that the middle and working class folk that this added income goes to tend to spend this money (as opposed to the wealthy who save extra income, or hide it off shore). This spent income then supports community businesses who retain employees and might even need to hire additional employees
01:03 AM on 09/12/2011
It's my honest opinion that conservative "thinking" deserves a section in the DSM.
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Parylinereturns
Visibility Rule
06:40 AM on 09/10/2011
Anything O does is largely a waste.
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
02:35 PM on 09/10/2011
much like anything conservatives post here
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GraniteSkyline
I wish you happiness!
05:57 PM on 09/10/2011
Hope you can maintain an attention span for 6 minutes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxjs-HlJ2xY
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humanbeing-rick
Born in the USA 1947
06:08 AM on 09/10/2011
The economists have no credibility, and are responsible for letting our economy collapse.
They are a proven failure, yet they have the nerve to criticize our President's jobs recovery plan?
If anyone listens to these guys any more, it is amazing to me. They should get out of my face, and hide under a rock, for they bear no value to me.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
12:26 PM on 09/11/2011
Krugman has a track record of being right on almost everything... and he's not a big fan of Obama's conservative-created "jobs" plan. Krugman said long ago the Stimulus wasn't big enough to do anything, and didn't have anything close to enough spending to stimulate the economy. Tax cuts don't stimulate the economy and they don't create jobs- the last 10 years is more than enough proof of that.
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01:58 AM on 09/10/2011
I love the part about "...I wanna see South Koreans driving Fords and Chryslers...". Sounds good except for the part about, WHY SHOULD THEY ? They can BUY one of their domestics for less than a 1/8 of what it would CO$T them to buy an AMERICAN UNION MADE. Don't forget the part about '...And this plan will be paid for...' Ok ! How?, By Whom?, and How Soon?! Are UNIONS all ofa sudden opening up their coffers ? Is Government (I don't care run by whom Rep/Dem) going to Lay-Off and Down-size (They can all get other TAX REVENUE PRODUCING jobs with this NEW JOBS PLAN right?!). Am I gonna have a FREE WILL to decide How ? I spend my $$$ on Medical Insurance !
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
02:39 PM on 09/10/2011
After Reagan jump started Korean steel production by giving them the money and technology to build new steel mills and with the Korean Government subsidizing their Auto companies what else would you expect? The solution involves tariffs that directly address unfair labor practices such as government subsidies OR we play that same game here.
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01:45 AM on 09/11/2011
We have been playing that game here, It's called "Anything to keep the Unions Happy !" including the Multi-Billion Dollar Stimulus that was absorbed into their coffers BUT is being paid back by their profits from sales to their customer base NOT from any of their Wages/Benefits/Retirement funds.
12:44 AM on 09/10/2011
Baker's got it right. It's all about DEMAND. What's so hard to understand. These are just another supply side gimmick to get the Republathugs to sign on to the rest of the package.
08:09 PM on 09/10/2011
No! It's all about balance... of trade.
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Rodger leMonde
I call them as I see them.
12:14 AM on 09/10/2011
A spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
11:52 PM on 09/09/2011
Tax cuts are always a waste of money...they stimulate nothing.
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Roy E Pearson
A man in search of the right questions.
03:13 AM on 09/10/2011
There are few things in an economy that are always anything. This article is about Economists that are still using economic theory that is out dated. It became outdated when the US Economy became dependent upon foreign economies. Starting with oil in the mid 1970's.

"the tax breaks happen to be expensive" This is true only if the money is spent on things that do not create or keep jobs. Every dollar that is paid to employees by raising wages, adding jobs, or keeping positions that would have been eliminated, increases Government income via taxes. Employees still pay half of the taxes they used to and with all of the reasons I just listed some of the lost taxes will be made up. So we are getting the bang of the tax cuts but not really loosing all the taxes.

It is nit-picking and lack of understanding how squeezed small business are. Any new money available for spending by businesses on their businesses will only help the economy.

If you are running out of gas and the only gas station around has more expensive that you usually but, you buy some of to get you to the cheaper gas. Right? That is what the Tax cuts are, a temporary way to get to the jobs that will pay full taxes.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
04:38 PM on 09/11/2011
Tax cuts don't create jobs...demand creates jobs.