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First Posted: 09/ 8/2011 3:38 pm Updated: 11/ 8/2011 5:12 am

WASHINGTON -- A Palestinian effort to seek statehood at the United Nations later this month may be the last, best hope for a negotiated two-state solution, Palestinian officials and business leaders said Thursday.

Hind Khoury, a former Palestinian ambassador and government official, offered her frank assessment during a panel discussion at the New America Foundation, calling the U.N. vote "the moment of truth," for the Palestinian drive for statehood -- and peace negotiations in general.

"What choice do we have?" Khoury said. "I think moving forward with the U.N. is the only way to go for us. ... We have to ask, is this present road taking us anywhere? If it is not, it is time to change the paradigm."

Asked if she meant an end to the two-state solution track, Khoury nodded.

Not everyone in the delegation of Palestinian officials and businessmen agreed with the dire prognosis. But the group, which was in Washington pressing the case for statehood, collectively indicated that nothing could dissuade them from an effort to seek recognition at the U.N.

"This move is not about delegitimizing Israel, which is making headlines all across the world," said Zahi Khoury, the C.E.O of the Palestinian National Beverage Company, which manufactures Coca-Cola in the West Bank. "It is about legitimizing the ability of Palestinians to live peacefully. It's not the last chance, but it's maybe our best chance."

For weeks now, the statehood vote, slated for Sept. 20, has been producing a mad scramble of last-minute diplomacy, even as most observers acknowledge the outcome of the vote is virtually assured.

Under just about any scenario, the Palestinian delegation will succeed in getting the general assembly to recognize an informal, "observer state" status for Palestine, experts say.

But with the United States -- in partnership with its close ally, Israel -- promising to veto any Security Council measures, proper statehood will elude Palestinians in the New York proceedings.

In a speech in May, Obama denounced the U.N. vote as a "symbolic action" that would set back the peace effort.

"For the Palestinians, efforts to delegitimize Israel will end in failure," Obama said. "Symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September won't create an independent state."

More recently, a top State Department appointee assured a congressional panel that the Obama administration would block the Security Council vote.

Israeli officials acknowledge that the Palestinians will win the support of most of the general assembly for observer status, and say they worry more about violence in Israel and the territories in the aftermath of the vote -- something Palestinians dismiss as fear mongering.

As part of an ongoing effort to forestall the vote, a delegation of American diplomats traveled to the region this week, offering promises of renewed peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

But the effort has been largely shrugged off by Palestinian officials, who pledge to carry on with the full-statehood vote regardless of the near impossibility of it passing.

"We're still determined to seek full membership at the United Nations, which means we will submit a request to the secretary general for the U.N. to consider our request for admission," Maen Rashid Areikat, the chief PLO representative to the U.S. told The Huffington Post earlier in the week.

"Unfortunately we don't agree with the U.S., and the U.S. doesn't agree with us," he added.

Not everyone is convinced the Americans' recent political maneuvering is such a good idea, especially given the inevitability of the outcome in New York.

Aaron David Miller, a former State Department Israel-Palestine negotiator, says hasty diplomatic measures like the latest American gambit may actually do more damage than good, if they cannot be backed up with real results.

"I'm adamantly against coming up with some clever construct that launches new negotiations, and which then fails spectacularly," Miller told HuffPost. "That would be a disaster, given our track record of two and a half years of false hopes and false starts."

"The last thing this administration needs is a last-minute fix that preempts or deters a vote but creates false hope," he added.

The Palestinian leaders in Washington to press the case for statehood seemed to agree, arguing that negotiations could only resume once the statehood vote had taken place and not in lieu of it.

"I think what we were hearing was that this is the last Palestinian role of the non-sanction, non-punitive dice," said Daniel Levy, the co-director of New America's Middle East task force, who led Thursday's panel. "Israel, and friends of Israel, really ought to open their ears to this. We may be seeing the closing of a door here."

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12:17 PM on 09/12/2011
I hope the U.K supports Palestine, but I know it won't. America has us by the cojones.
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SolomonRivlin
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10:52 AM on 09/12/2011
Time to face reality. I'm all for the Two States Solution. I'm all for a true peace treaty between Israel and a Palestinian state. I'm all for removal of Israeli settlements from the West Bank. But, looking at the history of the conflict and considering the official declarations by Hamas leadership and the demands and expectations of the Palestinian Authority from Israel (especially the demand for the return of Palestinians into Israel herself), the move to recognize an independent Palestine is just another step in the final solution according to the Palestinians: The erasure of Israel from the map of the world. Hamas and most Palestinians do not recognize Israel as a legitimate country. In all the official documents of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, Israel doesn't even exist. No map of future Palestine includes Israel; this future state is drawn to cover the whole of the state of Israel. The Palestinians and most Arabs are not different from Republicans in the US: The former are willing to sacrifice any chance for a just peace in order to see the demise of Israel, while the latter are willing to hurt the economy of the US in order to assure that Obama is not reelected for a second term.
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
12:20 PM on 09/12/2011
I'm all for forthright debate, but it's better when it's based on a modicum of facts. Concerning the Palestinian recognition of Israel: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/Israel-PLO+Recognition+-+Exchange+of+Letters+betwe.htm

It's worth noting that Palestine recognised the State of Israel, not the mere "right to exist".

Israel has yet to reciprocate.

Concerning maps, the one on the Israeli foreign ministry is revealing for a whole bunch of reasons:

1) there is no mention of Palestine
2) it shows the extent of Israeli settlements and military control over the West Bank. If left to Israeli negotiators, Palestine would be a little collection of disconnected valleys inside Israel.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/Israel+in+Maps/Judea+and+Samaria.htm
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SolomonRivlin
An ignorant with a computer is like a drunk driver
03:26 PM on 09/12/2011
The map you have linked to simply illustrates the existing situation as of 2004. Here are various maps of Palestine as being taught and promoted by the Palestinians. In none of them Israel exists.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/palmatoc1.html
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ps%7Dhamas.html
http://mideastreview.org/2011/08/27/hamas-main-obstacle-to-palestinian-statehood/

And here is where Hamas stands about the non-existing Israel. Hamas, the party elected by the Palestinian people in the only democratic elections ever held among them, the party that beat the PLO and the one that rules in Gaza.

http://www.jcrc.org/downloads/hotissues/7.08_jcrc_Hamas.pdf

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html
demsrsilly
Proud to be non union
07:24 AM on 09/13/2011
The PLO is still the voice of the Palestinians?
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
10:41 AM on 09/12/2011
Over a year ago, one of the Palestinian leaders (not Abbas, I forget who - possibly Mustafa Barghouti) was already saying that it was probably time to start preparing the Palestinian population for the idea that they might not ever have an independent state. The struggle for independence would then become a struggle for civil rights within Israel.

More recently, Salam Fayyad - a more authoritative voice - made headlines with the phrase, "Israel: give us independence or give us the vote". It at least has the merit of simplifying the discussion.
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mjc
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11:11 AM on 09/12/2011
With both the US and Israel firmly aligned against any sort of Palestinian "government" independent of Israel, this does seem the best way to go: struggle for civil rights in Israel. There might even be some Israelis who would agree that the apartheid state needs to end and Palestinians need to have the same rights as Jews or other Arabs in Israel. Knowing the ferocity of some of the anti-Palestinians here on HuffPo, even that is going to be a long, bitter and strife filled attempt.
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11:49 AM on 09/12/2011
You have a real gift for understanding this conflict and possible resolution, Michael. Given the amount of vitriol one sees...and feels...here on HuffPo and the United States too firm attachment to the Israeli ship of state, it seems there may never be a two state solution. The Palestinians could focus on ending the apartheid form of government they must adhere to under the military control of the IDF. I wouldn't expect it to be anything but a violent struggle, however. There are Israelis, however, who seem to have deep-seated disagreements with Israel and its military-based, authoritarian solution for almost every issue and they might be willing to join in the struggle for civil rights and a democratic form of governance.
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bksg
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05:28 PM on 09/12/2011
mjc: Great response. Thanks! F&F
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11:04 AM on 09/10/2011
we are all hamsters on neocon "financially engineered" and "financially innovated" wheels

"In the case of Israel, the self-image of its leading politicians is far more crazed and split than such common-sense reminders can hope to remedy. Tzipi Livni says in 2009 that the assault was necessary, that it is going according to design, that there is no humanitarian crisis, and that the invasion will be good for the Palestinians.

Yet Ehud Barak in 1999, in answer to a question from the reporter Gideon Levy about what he would have done if he had been born Palestinian, replied without pause: "Joined a fighting organization."

Ehud Olmert says in a daring interview in his penultimate season in office that there will have to be a two-state solution and that Israel will have to give up a large part of the settlements it now holds. Yet Olmert devotes his final weeks in power to the merciless waging of this war, and refuses to convene his cabinet to take up the encouragement of a cease-fire"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/self-deception-and-the-as_b_158486.html
10:26 AM on 09/10/2011
Palestinians are seeking PALESTINIAN LEGITIMACY at the U.N.
They have an absolute, God-given right to do so -- as recognized by International norms

Palestinian legitimacy does does delegitimize or seek to deligitimize Israel UNLESS you willing to argue that THE ONLY way Israel can remain legitimate is if Palestinians remain homeless, stateless, denied of all human rights by a murdering Israeli military backed by U.S. veto power at the U.N. I am an American and I am ashamed of what my country is doing. I am ashamed that the United States has been hijacked by Israeli lobby and my country in nothing more than a political colony of Israel.

The same people that are mischaracterizing a Palestinian quest for basic human dignity as an attempt to DE-legitimize Israel are the same people who are spinning the fantasy that America and Israel will be humiliated at the U.N. in September.

BUT THERE BE NO DOUBT ...Israel and Israel alone (and by its own choice) is the only nation that will be humiliated at the U.N. in November. More than an endorsement of Palestine, the U.N. General Assembly vote will make the statement that a nation (Israel) and its lackey (U.S) may violate international morality but, no matter how strong/nasty/impervious to decency NO NATION FOREVER COMPEL THE WORLD TO ACCEPT A NEW HOLOCAUST ON ANOTHER NATION.
12:55 PM on 09/10/2011
I support a two-state solution and hence a Palestinian state. But the Palestinian's aspirational effort to have declared a fantasy state is problematic. Do the Palestinians have full control of all the territory and population; are there recognized boundaries; can the Palestinian authority exert responsible leadership in the split reality of Palestinian leadership (PA and Hamas)? What kind of state is it that is being declared? Will this push Israel toward similar unilateral action? On the ground? Peace and statehood must come through negotiation with Israel, no way around it. Absent such negotiations, this is all virtual reality, not real.
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lbsaltzman
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11:53 PM on 09/10/2011
Israel has no intention of negotiating a just peace, so the Palestinians have nothing to lose by declaring statehood. The borders are clear, they are the 1967 borders. The other problems the Palestinians can sort on their own once they are freed of Israeli domination.
01:27 PM on 09/13/2011
So do the Kurd, Tibetans, Taiwanese, Basques and Chechens. When the Turks, Chinese and Russians support the Palestinian state, the U.S. and others should do the same for those for deserving peoples.
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04:48 AM on 09/10/2011
we are all hamsters on neocon "financially engineered" and "financially innovated" wheels

Ehud Olmert's aides on Wednesday said that the prime minister stood by his claim that his intervention made the US abstain from last Thursday's UN Security Council resolution vote on a Gaza cease-fire.

During a speech to local authority heads in Ashkelon on Monday, Olmert had said that Rice had been embarrassed when she was ordered to back down from supporting the resolution she had prepared, after Olmert intervened with Bush.

Olmert said he had called Bush and interrupted his Philadelphia lecture to ensure that the US did not vote for the resolution.

"I said: 'Get me President Bush on the phone,'" Olmert said. "They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn't care: 'I need to talk to him now.' He got off the podium and spoke to me."

According to Olmert, he told Bush that the US should not vote for the resolution, and Bush then directed Rice to abstain.

"She was left pretty embarrassed," Olmert said.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=129172
03:14 PM on 09/09/2011
Wonderful step to a good will,conflict should be removed and an everlasting peace should be common for each person.
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spriddler
02:46 PM on 09/09/2011
So who is in charge of the new Palestinian state? If there is a vote and Hamas is deposed does anyone expect them to give up power in Gaza?
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Fred Ricardo
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01:15 PM on 09/09/2011
Israel will do all it can to delay its occupation in Palestine to build more illegal settlements...
So what will the Israel Neocons do now that even Bush has called it an OCCUPATION!!!:

A) Instigate an incident with the Palestinians?
B) Invade one of the border Arab countries?
C) Reorganize their government for another year and stall?
D) Assassinate the Prime Minister again?

Here it is!! The TRUE ISRAEL...

Israel to build 3,000 homes in contested areas of Jerusalem.
The negotiations toward a Palestinian state, which even President George W. Bush wanted to see completed by the end of his term, are based on the so-called ``road map'' staged peace plan that calls on Israel to halt construction of Jewish settlements and on Palestinians to halt all terrorist activity.

America needs to support a Palestinian State. The majority of the world wants this. America cannot afford to be a dictator by vetoing it for the sake of the Apartheid State of Israel.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
12:52 AM on 09/10/2011
Fred R -- I wonder how one can even think that because he and his friends think it, the whole world does too.... and then, since when the tyranny of majority determines truth and morality, I believe this was the basis of the infamous LYNCHING...... wasn’t it?
01:03 AM on 09/12/2011
"the tyranny of majority determines truth and morality" inside Israel, you mean ?
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austinreid
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10:39 AM on 09/10/2011
You need to realize that Jerusalem will always been united under Israeli control even the majority of Arab residents of East Jerusalem don’t want to be under the control of a Palestinain state according to a recent poll by the Jerusalem Center of Public Affairs.
12:51 PM on 09/09/2011
Can someone please explain what difference it makes if the West Bank and Gaza are declared a "State" or not? What would change if they achieved State status?
04:36 PM on 09/09/2011
Nobody really knows yet but there will be some legal consequences, intended [by the Palestinians] and unintended. Part of the hysteria here is the unknown aspects of this.
07:54 PM on 09/09/2011
Benignuman,

Despite decades of international pressure, Israel consistently refuses to stop building settlements in the Israeli occupied Palestinian territories.

Their excuse goes something like this: Palestine doesn't exist, thus it can not technically be occupied, therefore building settlements there should be legal.

The rest of the world doesn't exactly agree with them, but that's their excuse. So, if Palestine is official recognized, it will then actually "exist", and the base premise of Israel's excuse will not.

Basically, Israel needs to be told that the Palestinian territories are not "disputed" as Israel claims, but do in fact belong to the Palestinian people living there.

The reason Israel and the US demand negotiations before recognition is that recognition is all they have to offer, and of course Israel wants more than is actually theirs. Thus they panic. The reason that America can not convince the Palestinians to abandon their plan is because the Palestinians actually have a plan, and America clearly doesn't.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
12:31 AM on 09/10/2011
JamesH – your comment is a bunch of baloney……
First, based on San Remo accord of 1920, which established all Mideast countries: the British awarded the mandate were instructed by the League of Nations to divide Palestine to 2 areas: Arabs designated land was/is at the East of the Jordan river, was called Transjordan and in 1946 became Jordan – and Jewish designated land at the West of Jordan river……. So far for you myth about occupied or disputed area…… In 1964 Arafat an Egyptian decided to adopt the Palestinian name to his terrorist PLO group which later became the PA.
Second the area of Samaria and Judea was taken for Jordan, the Arab country which captured it in 1949 and NOT from any imaginary Palestinian state…. So this whole Palestinian nation is a fabrication of the Arabs in order to harass the Jews and demonize the State of Israel, and what they could NOT accomplish in 7 wars, now they are trying to do via propaganda and political trickery since the Muslims have a majority bloc in the UN Assembly and can declare MIDNIGHT in MIDDAY if they chose to…
Last, the reason Israel and the US insist on direct negotiations is embedded in UN’s resolution 242 and Oslo accord…. And if the Arabs reject that tenant than Oslo accord can be voided, they cannot eat the cake and have it…..LoL
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Mitzy
11:37 AM on 09/09/2011
To establish a Palestinian state without a coinciding, full peace treaty with Israel is pure Palestinian madness. What is now considered unsponsored terrorism will be tantamount to acts of war by a sovereign state, and Israel will be justified in launching a full scale attack on that state.
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mjc
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12:36 PM on 09/09/2011
Israel has proved that it has no problem with "full scale attacks" as per the one launched on Gaza. What choice do the Palestinians have?
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
12:33 AM on 09/10/2011
mjc -- Your micro-bio states HONESTY, yet somehow you chose to ignore the 8000 Qassams and mortar shells launched on Israel in the prior 5 years of Gaza invasion.... maybe you should recalibrate your honesty......
puffadder
The truth is ONE!
02:04 PM on 09/09/2011
How is it possible for any nation to make peace with Israel, which stoops to every excuse in the book as to why it must have absolute control over the existence of a nation of dispossessed Palestinians. Dispossessed by none other than Militant Israel.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
12:34 AM on 09/10/2011
puffadder -- please leran history before spewing your ignorance all over..... I wonder who rejected the 1947 UN partition plan and attacked Israel.....LoL
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mjc
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11:01 AM on 09/09/2011
Just yesterday a man named Sherman sent the message that this blog has stated over and over again: the US will veto any attempt by the Palestinians to establish a Palestinian State in the Middle East and urged going back to the negotiating table. This of course with Netanyahu and Livni denying they would ever negotiate with Hamas or their leaders. That's a great big zero for peace, for any solution in this conflict.
08:04 PM on 09/09/2011
There is an important lesson yet to be learned. That is: The best way to prove you have no power is to try to wield power you don't have. That is exactly what America's veto is going to do.

America's veto power can't stop Palestine from gaining international recognition, just full UN membership. Apparently, at some point the Palestinian people realized that they didn't need Israel's permission or approval to become a state. That's independence!
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mjc
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09:12 AM on 09/10/2011
Great post, James Hovland. Perhaps some day our State Department and President will wake up and realize that our policy toward the Israelis is terribly damaging to our reputation around the world...and change it. As you say, independence is something that a people begins to believe in when they realize they are really free to claim it. Americans took that chance as well.
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bksg
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05:39 PM on 09/12/2011
James: Great Post! F&F
10:34 AM on 09/09/2011
This is an opportunity to solve the Palestine problem without violence! after all, isn't that the purpose of the UN? to try to find peaceful solutions to world affairs. in the post WW2 confusion the UN found it justified to finally give some land to the Israelis, which was long overdue. But why aren't the Palestinians due the same Logic. the Issue of Israel vs Palestine has been a source of friction in the middle east for decades, it just seems to me that it's time to approach the problem as civilized people & find a peaceful solution. Not all problems have easy solutions if they did they wouldn't be problems.
10:11 AM on 09/09/2011
Israel has over the years made many 'unilateral' moves in direct defiance and breach of international law as well as UN SC Res 242 and the Oslo Agreements.

Such 'unilateral' moves include the illegal annexing of the Syrian Golan Heights and Palestinian East Jerusalem, building and expanding the illegal Israeli settlements in the Palestinian West Bank, building the massive apartheid wall as well as the unjustifiable destruction of Palestinian homes, farmland and property.

Israel has already recognized the right of the Palestinian People to self-determination (Oslo Accords) and by going to the UN (with overwhelming global support) and exercising this universal right the Palestinians are not infringing on either UN SC Res 242 or the Oslo Accords.

The main reason that Israel does not want the Palestinians to go to the UN is because it will upset the 'status quo' where Israel can brutally oppress the Palestinian People and steal their land.

Clearly Israel has no interest in 'peace' only wanton greed.
Rosin the Bow
Hail to the Victors Valiant
10:34 AM on 09/09/2011
All of the examples you cite of "unilateral movements" were not covered in the Oslo Accords. Nice try.
11:29 AM on 09/09/2011
All of the examples you cite of "unilateral movements" were not covered in the Oslo Accords. Nice try.

So what are you saying Rosin, that you agree that Israel i sin breach of international law and UN SC Res 242 but not the Oslo Accords?

Well off hand Israel is in breach of the Oslo Accords as it no longer deems the Gaza Strip and the West Bank as a single territorial unit in which freedom of movement of Palestinians is allowed.

Heck Israel breaches the Oslo Accords every time it sends troops into 'Area A' which is meant to be under PA control.

Also withholding taxes from the PA (which Israel has done at least twice) is also in breach of the Oslo Accords.
03:45 PM on 09/09/2011
Oslo didn't need to cover them. They were already forbidden by the 4th Geneva Conventions.
12:53 PM on 09/09/2011
"Such 'unilatera­l' moves include the illegal annexing of the Syrian Golan Heights and Palestinia­n East Jerusalem"

Why was this illegal? They won both of these in a legal war.
01:26 PM on 09/09/2011
"Why was this illegal? They won both of these in a legal war".

Really, Sez who?

Certainly not the UN who has reminded Israel time and time again about the "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" ie: UN SC resolution 242.

Kellogg–Briand Pact and subsequent international laws all preclude the acquisition of territory by war (regardless if the war is offensive or defensive), this fact may help you understand why no nation on this earth recognizes Israel's illegal claims to either Palestinian East Jerusalem or the Syrian Golan Heights.
08:17 PM on 09/09/2011
Benignuman,

Really? According to who's set of rules?

"After a period of high tension between Israel and its neighbors, the war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise air strikes against Arab forces."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War