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Some Republicans, Gambling The Globe, Peddle Ignorance On Climate

First Posted: 09/ 8/2011 3:38 pm Updated: 11/ 8/2011 5:12 am

CLARKSTOWN, N.Y. -- Just off Exit 14 on the New York State Thruway, in the middle of a tandem truck lot bounded by the box stores of Spring Valley Marketplace -- Bed, Bath & Beyond, T.J. Maxx, Target -- deep science is being deployed, quite literally, in an effort to combat climate change.

Here, amid the densely packed suburban sprawl of greater New York City, three miles shy of New Jersey's northern border, a towering drill rig is plumbing deep into the bedrock at a rate of about 25 feet per hour. It is now at roughly 3,000 feet, though the goal is to get it more than 1.5 miles down.

Core samples will be taken to determine "the porosity and permeability" of the rock, explained Paul E. Olsen, a geoscientist with Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and an adviser to the $11 million undertaking -- one of 10 such projects being funded in large part by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

The goal: determining whether these deep rock formations can be used to permanently store that nettlesome byproduct of energy production and other industrial pursuits -- carbon dioxide -- rather than dumping it into the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming.

"I look forward to seeing how we can progress with this important issue," said New York State Sen. David Carlucci, a Democrat and one of a smattering of community leaders and project partners huddled under a small white canopy amid festive balloons, a constant drizzle of rain and the roar of the industrial drill.

The project's "open house," hosted by TriCarb, a partnership between Houston-based Sandia Technologies and Conrad Geoscience Corp. of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., took place just a few hours before Wednesday evening's Republican debate, broadcasted clear across the continent from Simi Valley, Calif., and where the topic of global warming -- and by extension, science itself -- received a brief but telling work-out.

"The idea that we would put Americans' economy at jeopardy based on a scientific theory that's not settled yet to me is nonsense," said Texas Gov. Rick Perry and the current Republican frontrunner, when asked which scientists he looked to for guidance on global warming.

"Just because you have a group of scientists that have stood up and said, "Here is the fact" -- Galileo got outvoted for a spell," Perry continued. "But the fact is, to put America's economic future in jeopardy, asking us to cut back in areas that would have monstrous economic impact on this country is not good economics and I will suggest to you is not necessarily good science. Find out what the science truly is before you start putting the American economy in jeopardy."

Of course, as Adam Estes pointed out at The Atlantic Wire blog, Galileo was persecuted by wrongheaded and denialist religious authorities, not the scientific community, as a heretic for suggesting that the Earth revolves around the sun.

Perhaps not the zinger that Perry intended, but his words drew approving applause nonetheless.

When pressed by Politico editor John F. Harris for details on the specific theories from which the Texas governor derived his views on climate, Perry dodged the question, instead citing his state's efforts to reduce other air pollutants. He then stated that "the fact of the matter is the science is not settled on whether or not the climate change is being impacted by man to the point where we're going to put America's economics in jeopardy."

Michelle Bachmann, the Republican congresswoman from Minnesota who has famously called for oil drilling in the Everglades, chimed in on the issue herself, issuing a muddled conflation of clean-air regulations pursued by the Environmental Protection Agency -- and recently curtailed by President Obama -- with climate science.

"What we're seeing is that a political agenda is being advanced," Bachmann opined, "instead of a scientific agenda, and this is leading to massive numbers of jobs being lost."

These are not new views. Perry told a gathering of local business owners in New Hampshire last month that scientists have manipulated data in an effort to spur funding, and that overall, they remain divided over the issue of climate change. "I think we're seeing almost weekly, or even daily, scientists who are coming forward and questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change," he said.

On the issue of funding solutions to the problem? "The cost to the country and to the world of implementing these anti-carbon programs is in the billions if not trillions of dollars at the end of the day," Perry said. "And I don't think from my perspective that I want America to be engaged in spending that much money on still a scientific theory that has not been proven and from my perspective is more and more being put into question."

These views also extend, to an increasing degree, to the American electorate, which has become woefully polarized on the issue of climate change. Perhaps not surprisingly, according to a survey published Wednesday by the Yale Project on Climate Change, this polarization is being driven in large part by the Tea Party, a constituency that may play a key role in getting any Republican into the White House.

The Yale survey found, for example, that while 62 percent of Democrats believe that global warming is caused mostly by human activities -- that is, by burning fossil fuels and injecting historically unprecedented amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere -- most self-identified Tea Party members responded that global warming is either naturally caused (50 percent) or is not happening at all (21 percent).

In an uncanny echo of Perry's own words on Wednesday, the Yale study also found that while 55 percent of Democrats said they believed that the majority of climate scientists think global warming is happening, a larger percentage of Republicans (56 percent) and Tea Party members (69 percent) said disagreement prevailed among the scientific community on that point.

Tea Party members, according to the survey, were also far more likely than other respondents to describe themselves as “very well informed” about climate change, and to say that they "do not need any more information" on the topic.

Whether or not Perry and other Republicans actually believe what they are saying is an open question. Perry himself, who has also recently called into question the theory of evolution, was reportedly a supporter of climate change evangelist Al Gore before switching to the Republican party in 1989.

But the scientific equivocation on climate to which they allude is utter nonsense.

A study published last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, for example, reviewed the publication and citation data of 1,372 of the globe's busiest climate researchers. The findings? Virtually all -- between 97 and 98 percent -- of the scientists "most actively publishing in the field" were found to support the basic notion of anthropogenic climate change -- that is, climate change spurred by humans.

The study also found that "the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of [man-made climate change] are substantially below that of the convinced researchers."

That point was lost on Fox News last month when it attacked the children's show "SpongeBob SquarePants" for having the temerity to suggest that man-made global warming was a problem without noting that this was "actually a disputed fact."

But as the media watchdog Media Matters quickly pointed out, such willful ignorance continues despite an abundance of evidence to the contrary -- and indeed it flies in the face of some of the nation's most venerable scientific institutions, including the National Academy of Sciences, the American Meteorological Society, the American Chemical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the Geological Society of America, among others.

The sobering implication in all this, of course, is that the success of Republican candidates like Bachmann or Perry in unseating President Obama -- who, while perhaps not as aggressive on the issue as some would like, has nonetheless asserted that "the science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear" -- could have profound implications not just for the United States, but for the future of the planet.

It would almost certainly spell the end of federal funding for any number of clean energy technologies, as well as efforts to curb our copious CO2 emissions, including the project underway here in Clarkstown.

After all, why spend money exploring the feasibility and safety of carbon storage if the science of global warming is in dispute?

Whether or not such foolishness will ultimately prove a winning strategy for GOP candidates is unclear, but not every Republican believes so.

"When you make comments that fly in the face of what 98 out of 100 climate scientists have said, when you call into question the science of evolution -- " said Jon Huntsman, the former Utah governor and ambassador to China, and the sole Republican on the stage Wednesday night to speak honestly about global warming. "All I'm saying is that in order for the Republican party to win, we can't run from science."

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CLARKSTOWN, N.Y. -- Just off Exit 14 on the New York State Thruway, in the middle of a tandem truck lot bounded by the box stores of Spring Valley Marketplace -- Bed, Bath & Beyond, T.J. Maxx, Target ...
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01:09 PM on 09/14/2011
The only folks peddling ignorance are Al Gore and his followers.
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11:43 PM on 09/17/2011
And 98% of climatologists?
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
10:26 AM on 09/19/2011
"The only folks peddling ignorance are Al Gore and his followers."

Why haven't you already told us what ignorance is being peddled?
FaceReality2
Democracy in the U.S. is an illusion
09:39 PM on 09/11/2011
They peddle the same lie about evolution--that there is disagreement about it in the scientific community. They live in a world of delusions.
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Kazzim Zongo
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
08:34 PM on 09/11/2011
truly path-breaking theories of Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark. Over the past 15 years, Svensmark has quietly made the whole global warming theory obsolete by developing a new theory about how cosmic rays--fast-moving charged particles from deep space--react with the atmosphere to create the "nucleation sites" that lead to the formation of clouds, cooling the Earth. Svensmark has begun to demonstrate in detail how this effect, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the mileage of your SUV, explains variations in cloud cover and variations in global temperatures.

Svensmark's theory just passed a new milestone, with some of its key claims being demonstrated in a "cloud chamber" experiment at Europe's CERN particle accelerator. This was not reported in the media.
09:57 PM on 09/11/2011
Svensmark'­s "theory" was not proven by the CERN CLOUD experiment­s, despite what you may believe to the contrary. The "nucleatio­­n sites" you've mentioned were found to be several orders of magnitude less than expected, and of no importance­. Also, Svensmark wasn't even a part of that experiment­al effort, nor is he mentioned in the published findings. Seems like you'll just keep repeating your "denialist­" agit-prop, even though the facts simply do not support your opinion, but that's not my problem
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Kazzim Zongo
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10:26 PM on 09/11/2011
Thank you for completely predictable response. Each time I hear such a close-minded, insulting response, I move one step closer to not believing in any of it. I have a degree in science, and I am familiar with the usual give and take and continual re-examination of current theories. Science is messy; assumptions are challenged; ideas are retested and reformed.There is something else, something much more political, going on here. It has become a case of follow the money and not follow the science. Peace.
04:53 PM on 09/12/2011
Typical response-if the science doesn't agree with our 'end of world' science then it can't be valid. Exactly why many have come to realize the 'global warming' garbage is no different than the 'global cooling' garbage from 20 years ago. It's just another way for someone to make money bamboozling the populace.
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MikeWebster
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01:53 AM on 09/12/2011
And in fact, the CERN experiments show that Svensmark's theory of cloud formation - is not a factor in climate change.

We of course already knew that, because we already have the culprit for the vast majority of climate change - increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations - and we know that there hasn't been big changes in cloud formation, which you'd need to explain global warming.

This cosmic ray theory has the signal honour of being the only piece of science used by AGW deniers that is actually legitimate science. And yet, it is irrelevant to climate change.
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11:47 PM on 09/17/2011
If he didn't peddle that crap about North America getting independent from oil imports he might even be electable.
04:17 PM on 09/11/2011
Yes, invest in clean energy. Like Obama throwing half a billion $$$ to Solyndra who just went belly up because they couldn't turn a profit with a huge injection of Democratic buddy money.

I might actually get on board with fighting climate change if it wasn't very clear that there are straight lines between the lefties who tout climate change legislation and the companies that are in line to rake in loads of cash if such legislation is passed.

As a former Republican who now detests the neocon run party that looks out for corporate interests and thumbs its nose at the middle class, its sickening to know the only alternative is another party that does the same thing, just different story lines.

If you doubt it, explain why Obama keeps talking about paying a fair share for the wealthy, yet flanks himself with Immelt of GE that paid almost zero taxes last year while raking in billions in profits. Explain why leftist favorite Warren Buffet complains about the rich not being taxed enough, yet he has spent a fortune on lawyers fighting the IRS so his company can pay LESS in taxes.

Its all rhetoric people. Both parties are busy getting you pissed at the other party as much as possible so that you won't pay attention to how THEY are screwing you while you defend them.
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11:51 PM on 09/17/2011
So one out of hundreds of subsidies went sour, sinking about 1% of the total amount, while several others are already profitable, and that turns you off?
I hope you won't try to be an entrepreneur.
Yes there was probably some cronyism involved and that's being examined right now. But that' several orders of magnitude smaller that what's going on with big agro and fossil fuels - unabated for decades.
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RMForbes
Ask me about industrial hemp
02:59 PM on 09/11/2011
If we planted just 6% of American land or 15% of our farmland into Hemp we could produce 100% of our energy while removing more carbon from the environment than it would add. Hemp can replace just about every product now made from petroleum with more earth friendly products while revitalizing our industrial base.
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alteredstory
Hold on to the center
10:22 AM on 09/11/2011
Galileo was outvoted by the church. Most scientists of his time agreed with him.

Perry and his ilk are not Galileo in this metaphor, they are the church.
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jimboy71
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12:42 PM on 09/11/2011
Well, of course. The whole "praying for rain" thing should tip most people off...
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Hitchcockcameo
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03:15 AM on 09/13/2011
Exactly. The Deniers like to co-opt this martyr for science narrative...but it is in fact the climate scientists who are fighting the establishment and vested interests of oil and coal industries.

It is their theories that, like the heliocentric solar system, must fight for acceptance.
This American
An end to all this nonsense
09:26 AM on 09/11/2011
The AGW movement is mortally wounded. After the 2012 election there will be zero money available to fund the nonsense factory that has been producing this at the behest of collectivists.

RIP AGW
09:54 AM on 09/11/2011
Yet another fallacy argument based upon an unsubstantiated claim. That you would resort to phony 'absolutes' and scoffing suggests that you have no clear comprehension of the scientific studies that refute your narrow-minded perspectives.
You are, figuratively speaking, the proverbial frog in the frying pan and it's getting hotter, no matter your self-denials to the contrary. Good luck with that!
This American
An end to all this nonsense
10:04 AM on 09/11/2011
We shall see.
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canuckhoser
Don't mind the man behind the curtain
11:08 AM on 09/11/2011
Its in every post. He is one of those hit and run denialists...always parroting their bile and never backing it up...no interest in making a good faith argument, no interest in actually learning...just snark is all he's capable of
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:44 PM on 09/11/2011
Funny thing about the natural world is that it doesn't kowtow to your thoughts, or your prognostications. In fact, it keeps right on going as if nothing at all had happened.

That is because nothing has happend. All that you did was say something with no bearing on reality, and once again, have failed to corroborate.

One day, you may live to regret your words. Nature bats last (as a friend says in their micro-bio).
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MikeWebster
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01:56 AM on 09/12/2011
But surely if Perry get's in, all this reality nonsense will be out the door, and we'll all be living in a 100% white suburban paradise.
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almostlyniceguy
Not young enough to know everything..
10:47 PM on 09/10/2011
Not only willfully ignorant, but proud of it. God help us. And they have hordes of supporters!
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09:58 PM on 09/10/2011
Republicans are the party of willful ignorance.  In this day where we must compete in science with India and China we must reject the conservative message.  Conservatives think science is some kind of democratic process where one can vote for the alternative he likes best, but scientists make empirical observations of the environment and it leads them to certain conclusions.  As said:  "Virtually all -- between 97 and 98 percent -- of the scientists "most actively publishing in the field" were found to support the basic notion of anthropogenic climate change -- that is, climate change spurred by humans."   Republicans are deliberately appealing to the low information, poorly educated voter, but they can only spin some alternative narrative so long before they look like asses.
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
08:28 PM on 09/10/2011
"Galileo got outvoted for a spell." ???

Yes. By the Roman Catholic Church, for 300 years.
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12:47 PM on 09/11/2011
Actually, did you know that he was only pardoned in the late 20th century?
03:34 PM on 09/10/2011
Quotes in the article state that Tea Partiers are "very well informed" and "do not need any more information." Actually, they do not WANT any more information since they won't accept it anyway and consider the effort a wast eo time.
What percent of scientists must agree that there is global warming before we do anything? It's well over 90% now. It will never get to 100%. I continue to see that money is more important than a decent environment. Future generations will highly resent us if we continue to do nothing.
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09:58 PM on 09/10/2011
The Tea Partiers get their information from the bible.
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12:48 PM on 09/11/2011
From someone reading the bible and telling them what is in it. Like the part about Jesus h8ing the poor.
12:55 PM on 09/11/2011
Perhaps... but not directly, by reading it for themselves. Even there, they rely on someone else to tell them... but they're not told not what it actually says, but rather what that person wants to make them believe that it says.

Bottom line, they prefer to be lied to and seek out those who will do it in just the right way.
02:43 PM on 09/10/2011
Republicans say they do not want to leave debt to their children but a poisoned planet is OK.

Go figure.
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12:48 PM on 09/11/2011
Money is the only real thing to them.
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MikeWebster
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02:06 AM on 09/12/2011
And then their policies - being economically as well as scientifically illiterate - will guarantee massive debts for their children.
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Katmandu01
11:35 AM on 09/10/2011
There is a long tradition of simplistic ideologues rejecting science that didn't fit in with their belief systems. Adolf Hitler rejected "Jewish Physics" in favour of "Aryan Physics" and drove Einstein and many other brilliant physicists out of European leaving the Allies with the expertise to develop the atomic bomb.
http://en.­­­wikipedi­a­.­org/wi­ki­/D­euts­che­_Ph­ys­ik#E­ffec­­t_on_­the_­G­erma­n_n­ucl­ear­_p­rogra­m
Joseph Stalin rejected establishe­­­d agricultur­­­al science in favour of the nonsense promoted by Trofim Lysenko and the result was that the Soviet Union could not feed it's own population and in fact millions starved.
http://en.­­­wikipedi­a­.­org/wi­ki­/T­rofi­m_L­yse­nk­o
Mao Tse-tung ignored the establishe­­­d science of metalurgy and embarked on a program of small-scal­­­e production of iron and steel. The result was a disaster called the Great Leap Forward. http://en.­­­wikipedi­a­.­org/wi­ki­/M­ao_Z­edo­ng#­Gr­eat_­Leap­­_Forw­ard
More recently, in 1995 Thabo Mbeki announced his belief that the human immunodefi­­­ciency virus (HIV) is not the cause of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). I wouldn't put him in the same category as the first three I mentioned but here we see a similar rejection of scientific consensus in favour of an ad hoc belief system. Governor Perry and other tea party fundamenta­lists who seem to dominate the GPO are on the same track but they are in illustriou­­­s or maybe I should say infamous company.
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HazelPethigFan
I don't know until I know
12:17 PM on 09/10/2011
It ironic you talk about about people rejecting ag science. The left wing does the same thing today. Just search "GMO" on this left leaning website and see what you find. This website is very very anti-Science when it comes to agricultural science.

The right and left wingers are ironically similar in their distrust of different parts of science.
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Katmandu01
01:58 PM on 09/10/2011
I don't know very much about genetically modified crops and haven't formed any opinion on the issue but I don't like to see political decision makers forming their opinions about scientific issues based on ideologies wherever those ideologies are on the political spectrum and that includes religious belief systems. Perry displayed this kind of ignorance and even contempt for science with his response. ("I think we're seeing almost weekly, or even daily, scientists who are coming forward and questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change") What he said was without foundation and it was comparable to his description of evolution as "a theory that's out there." This certainly reveals the same kind of ignorance that was displayed by Thabo Mbeki although out of civility, I won't compare him to Hitler, Stalin or Mao. By the way, the issue of global warming has nothing to do with political ideology. Consider what these people have to say about the issue:
Angela Merkel
http://www­­­­­­.time­.­c­o­m­/­­ti­me­/s­p­e­c­i­a­ls­/­20­0­7/­­a­rt­­icle­­­/0,2­­­8­804­,­1­66­3­3­1­7_­1­­663­31­9­­­_16­69­8­­­97,0­0.­h­­­­tml
David Cameron
http://www­­­­­­.inde­p­e­n­d­e­­nt­.c­o.­u­k­/­n­e­ws­/­uk­/­po­­l­it­­ics/­­­davi­­­d­-ca­m­e­ro­n­-­w­e-­n­­eed­-a­-­­­gre­at­e­­­r-se­ns­e­­­­-of-urg­­e­­­­ncy-­on-­cl­­­­­imat­e-c­h­a­n­­­ge-4­­748­4­1­.­­h­tml
Nicholas Sarkozy
http://www­­­­­­.guar­d­i­a­n­.­­co­.u­k/­w­o­r­l­d­/2­0­09­/­se­­p­/1­­0/sa­­­rkoz­­­y­-ca­r­b­on­-­t­a­x-­f­­ran­ce
Not one of them can be described as a liberal or leftist.
05:44 PM on 09/10/2011
Correct. Also there is a lot of pseudoscience in the health section. They publish alt medicine, homeopathy and worse antivaxer propaganda.
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10:00 PM on 09/10/2011
Interesting analysis, but I would not put Perry, although a pompous blowhard, in the same league with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.
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almostlyniceguy
Not young enough to know everything..
10:52 PM on 09/10/2011
Agree. Not yet. But the man has potential.
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Katmandu01
11:16 AM on 09/11/2011
Quite right and in the same vein I tried to qualify my remarks about Thabo Mbeki but there is a lesson here about the consequence either for a tyranny or a democracy when political leaders choose to reject a clearly established scientific consensus because it doesn't conform to a simplistic ideological perspective.
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01:19 AM on 09/10/2011
Most republicans peddle ignorance on most things on a huge scale. It's not just climate, it's evolution, textbooks, trickle-down economics, and so on.

Ignorance is NOT bliss.