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Jacqueline Kennedy Book Reveals Another Side Of Former First Lady

Jacqueline Kennedy Book

First Posted: 09/12/11 05:18 PM ET Updated: 11/12/11 05:12 AM ET

By Associated Press

NEW YORK -- It's a side of Jacqueline Kennedy only friends and family knew. Funny and inquisitive, canny and cutting.

In "Jacqueline Kennedy: Historic Conversations on Life With John F. Kennedy," the former first lady was not yet the jet-setting celebrity of the late 1960s or the literary editor of the 1970s and 1980s. But she was also nothing like the soft-spoken fashion icon of the three previous years. She was in her mid-30s, recently widowed, but dry-eyed and determined to set down her thoughts for history.

Kennedy met with historian and former White House aide Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. in her 18th-century Washington house in the spring and early summer of 1964. At home and at ease, as if receiving a guest for afternoon tea, she chatted about her husband and their time in the White House. The young Kennedy children, Caroline and John Jr., occasionally popped in. On the accompanying audio discs, you can hear the shake of ice inside a drinking glass. The tapes were to be sealed for decades and were among the last documents of her private thoughts. She never wrote a memoir and became a legend in part because of what we didn't know.

The book comes out Wednesday as part of an ongoing celebration of the 50th anniversary of President Kennedy's first year in office. Jacqueline Kennedy died in 1994, and Schlesinger in 2007.

The world, and Jacqueline Kennedy, would change beyond imagination after 1964. But at the time of these conversations black people were still Negroes and feminists were still suspect even in the view of a woman as sophisticated as Kennedy, who a decade later would grant an interview to Gloria Steinem's Ms. magazine. In the book's foreword, Caroline Kennedy faults Schlesinger for asking so few questions about her mother.

As historian Michael Beschloss notes in the introduction, Jacqueline Kennedy once accepted that wives were defined by their husbands' careers and worried about "emotional" women entering politics. She enjoyed having her husband "proud of her," saw no reason to have a policy opinion that wasn't the same as his and laughed at the thought of "violently liberal women" who disliked JFK and preferred the more effete Adlai Stevenson.

"Jack so obviously demanded from a woman – a relationship between a man and a woman where a man would be the leader and a woman be his wife and look up to him as a man," she said. "With Adlai you could have another relationship where – you know, he'd sort of be sweet and you could talk. ... I always thought women who were scared of sex loved Adlai."

There are no spectacular revelations in the Schlesinger discussions and virtually nothing about JFK's assassination. Kennedy's health problems and his extramarital affairs were still years from public knowledge and from the knowledge of aides such as Schlesinger, who would often say he saw no "bimbos" in the White House halls. Jacqueline Kennedy speaks warmly throughout of her husband, remembering him as dynamic and perceptive and free of grudges, an assignment his wife and others took on for him.

Like any powerful family, the Kennedys had complicated relationships with those who shared their lives at the top. They valued loyalty, vision and ingenuity. They hated dullness, indecision and self-promotion, even among their own.

Jacqueline Kennedy dismissed the idea that the eldest Kennedy son, Joseph Jr., would have been president had he not been killed in World War II. "He would have been so unimaginative, compared to Jack," she said. She contrasted the integrity of Robert F. Kennedy, the president's brother and attorney general, with the designs of sister-in-law Eunice Kennedy Shriver. Robert Kennedy had begged JFK not to appoint him, fearing charges of nepotism. Eunice Kennedy, meanwhile, was eager to see her husband, Sargent Shriver, named head of the department of Health, Education and Welfare.

"Eunice was pestering Jack to death to make Sargent head of HEW because she wanted to be a cabinet wife," Jacqueline Kennedy tells Schlesinger. "You know, it shows you some people are ambitious for themselves and Bobby wasn't."

Politics means doing business with people you otherwise avoid and Jacqueline Kennedy logged in many hours. She endured dining with journalists and members of Congress who had criticized her husband. She called Secretary of Labor Arthur Goldberg "brilliant" but added that "he talks more about himself than any man I've ever met in my life." White House speechwriter Theodore Sorensen had a "big inferiority complex" and was "the last person you would invite at night." She referred to France's Charles de Gaulle, whom she had famously charmed on a visit to Paris, as "that egomaniac" and "that spiteful man." Indira Gandhi, the future prime minister of India, was a "prune – bitter, kind of pushy, horrible woman."

She was especially hard on Lyndon Johnson, who had competed bitterly with her husband for the presidency in 1960 and became vice president through the kind of hard calculation for which the Kennedys became known: Johnson was from Texas and the Democrats needed a Southerner to balance the ticket. Once in office, Johnson's imposing personal style and reluctance to speak up during cabinet meetings alienated the Kennedys. They mocked his accent and his manners, while he resented the Kennedys and other "Harvards" he believed looked down on him. Many top aides left soon after Kennedy was assassinated. Robert Kennedy became a public critic of Johnson's presidency and challenged him for the nomination in 1968.

"Jack said it to me sometimes. He said, `Oh, God, can you ever imagine what would happen to the country if Lyndon were president?'" she recalled.

Historians have described President Kennedy as unemotional and undemonstrative. But his widow recalls him lying on the floor with the kids, watching the late fitness instructor Jack LaLanne on television. They would follow LaLanne's moves and at times the president's toes would touch with his son's. JFK "loved those children tumbling around him in this sort of – sensual is the only way I can think of it."

Her closest moments with her husband came during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, when the United States and the Soviet Union seemed on the verge of nuclear war. She would lie down with him when he took a nap and walk with him, the two saying little, on the White House lawn. Some officials had sent their wives away, but the first lady resisted. If the bombs fell, she wanted them to be together.

"If anything happens, we're all going to stay right here with you," she remembers telling her husband. "Even if there's not room in the bomb shelter in the White House. ... I just want to be with you, and I want to die with you, and the children do, too – than live without you."

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By Associated Press NEW YORK -- It's a side of Jacqueline Kennedy only friends and family knew. Funny and inquisitive, canny and cutting. In "Jacqueline Kennedy: Historic Conversations on Life W...
By Associated Press NEW YORK -- It's a side of Jacqueline Kennedy only friends and family knew. Funny and inquisitive, canny and cutting. In "Jacqueline Kennedy: Historic Conversations on Life W...
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12:50 AM on 09/15/2011
New Book Shows Another Side to Jacqueline Kennedy:http://www.tekbuz.com/new-book-shows-another-side-to-jackie-kennedy/114627
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mat6and33
02:11 AM on 09/14/2011
Another liberal icon exposed.
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Spike5
Let's go forward, not back to an imaginary past
12:08 PM on 09/28/2011
As far as I remember that period, Mrs Kennedy was an icon to all Americans. Even those who didn't want her husband in the White House were charmed to have her as the First Lady.

I'm not sure if you are shocked that she loved her husband, that as a woman of her time she thought it was appropriate for a woman to support her husband's career, or that she had opinions of the people she met that she didn't necessarily share with the world at that time. None of that shocks me. If anything, it makes me respect her more for her ability to make a new life for herself after JFK's death.
TroopAbn
Big Oil/Energy Killed Economy
11:19 PM on 09/13/2011
As you have probably seen in the ABC Special: How Stoic was Jackqueline Bouvier Kennedy! A woman to be revered. And I was only a young boy. I cried as a young kid as I saw John John salute his father. Time passes quickly. I would meet Lynda Byrd Johnson at a cocktail party at the 200th Anniversary of the "Treaty of Paris" at the U.S. Embassey in Paris. The day, "3 September 1983". And I didn't think to ask her about those days. But they were sad days. How could anyone forget them. I am glad to see Caroline on television as a very happy young lady. I'm sure she is proud of her wonderful mother.
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sparkygirl91
Never apply lipstick while driving on gravel
01:16 AM on 09/14/2011
I'm still watching - commercial break - here in California. I've already ordered the book and tapes. There are so many memories this special has evoked, and I'm lovin' everything about it. What makes it so real for me though is how Caroline still refers to Jackie as "mommy". That, somehow, really lets us see what they really were - a family, although Presidential. There was a mommy, a daddy and little brother. Thank you Caroline for sharing your family once again with many of us who still remember and don't care about the families issues all families have.
TroopAbn
Big Oil/Energy Killed Economy
10:59 PM on 09/13/2011
I was a little boy in school when I heard the news over the PA system that, "The President Has Been Shot"!!!! I could have been on break, but had remained in class. It was I that ran outside to the playground to tell the teachers, "President Kennedy had been shot". Next thing you know, we are sent home. I remember many of the following events. Living in Maryland, I remember being asked in church if we wanted to go to Arlington for the funeral. My parents declined. We would later see the first man on U.S. T.V. killed, "Lee Harvey Oswald". Strange, but later I would meet LBJ's daughter Lynda Byrd, and on 2 occassions. Never did I say anything to her about this. A very nice lady. I am sorry I never got to meet Caroline. As I think she is also a very wonderful gal. How sad for America, that day in 1963.
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Welshish
The sadder but wiser girl for me.
08:46 AM on 10/11/2011
The only person ever shot and killed on live TV!
07:54 PM on 09/13/2011
'I have a notion', that only people that believe in socialistic donkeyism could possible believe that he was anything other than a charlatan.
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sparkygirl91
Never apply lipstick while driving on gravel
07:07 PM on 09/13/2011
Woo-hoo! Another Kennedy book to read. Love it and buyin' it. Seriously, I do and am.
06:59 PM on 09/13/2011
JFK would change parties if he knew what his Democrat party has come to. It's not the same party as it was in the 60's.
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Lilybelle
I read, therefore I think, therefore I am
07:13 PM on 09/13/2011
neither is the Republican party.
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mat6and33
02:12 AM on 09/14/2011
Thank God!
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Spike5
Let's go forward, not back to an imaginary past
12:11 PM on 09/28/2011
Actually, it hasn't moved that far. Do you know anything about LBJ and the Great Society? Do you know the origins of Medicare? All that came out of the 60's.

What's changed is the Republican party. It's moved so far to the right that none of the Republican Presidents before Bush could win a primary today.

The one thing that both have in common is a desire to fight wars without raising taxes to pay for them.
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tlee47ftw
06:34 PM on 09/13/2011
People write, or record, histories to leave their version and to protect their image. I'm sure this is no different. That is not to disparage the book. I might even buy one it would be interesting reading. History is the combination of all those left behind plus what researchers develop. I may, or may not, like all of this book, or any book, but that does not mean I don't get a lot out of it. I thank Jackie for leaving it behind. I hope Caroline did not edit it in a manner to change it's tenor. It is rare we get the true private thoughts of a person, even if they do have a purpose.
TroopAbn
Big Oil/Energy Killed Economy
12:38 AM on 09/14/2011
How about Officer Tippett? He had been in the U.S. Army as an 82nd Airborne Paratrooper. Only to be gunned down on a street corner in Dallas as a cop. An unsung hero, in the wrong place at the wrong time.
06:28 PM on 09/13/2011
if only michele had her class...
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Lilybelle
I read, therefore I think, therefore I am
06:31 PM on 09/13/2011
Totally uncalled for and nothing to do with this story whatsoever.
06:36 PM on 09/13/2011
absolutely called for.. Jackie had clas that michele doesn't... fact!
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LittleOldLadyWho
Lifelong Liberal Democrat
08:19 PM on 09/13/2011
BINGO!!   ;o)
09:45 PM on 09/13/2011
Dont pick on Michelle. She cant help it.
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Lilybelle
I read, therefore I think, therefore I am
01:08 AM on 09/14/2011
And that certainly wasnt called for either. Shame you have nothing better to do than try to provoke with such a comment.
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Kai Ferano
What would Freud say?
06:25 PM on 09/13/2011
I think there were two Jackies, and she herself may have had little control over which was to take over at any time. One was the elegent, well-bred, expensively educated, American royalty, disciplined, coy, private. The other was the earthy, sensual, European jetsetter who let down her hair with certain celebrities, artists, world travellers, daring, immodest. Well, that's how I see her.
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sparkygirl91
Never apply lipstick while driving on gravel
07:40 PM on 09/13/2011
I absolutely agree. She even smoked which, of course, was never allowed to be seen - one pix was leaked and there she was smoking. Point being, everyone has two sides and I, or one, will be anxious to read about her other side.
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cambier lingua
08:18 PM on 09/13/2011
She also didn't pay her clothing bills, in one case for 17 very expensive silk blouses, after her second widowhood lived with a married man who advised her financially (successfully) until she died, an arrangement which was terribly upsetting to the man's wife, and she had previously married a rather despicable but very wealthy foreign man who had a long-time engagement to another woman, but took him away from her most likely for money.
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wkingsolomon77
09:26 PM on 09/13/2011
be care full some cannot handle the truth
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Z trufflesniffer
My Micro-bio is still empty
04:52 PM on 09/14/2011
Really like those tabloids don't you?
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Sigrid Wyly
05:50 PM on 09/13/2011
I always suspected that under that demure facade dwelt a woman with keen intelligence, rapier wit, and balls. She wasn't just a fashionista. I can hardly wait to read this book!
05:16 PM on 09/13/2011
Females fit into one of three catagories.
Women
Girls
Ladies
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Kai Ferano
What would Freud say?
06:27 PM on 09/13/2011
pg468477, What are your three categories for males? :)
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sparkygirl91
Never apply lipstick while driving on gravel
07:42 PM on 09/13/2011
Yea, good question. I'm trying to think of them, don't want to insult the pigs, so...... yea, can't wait for the answer - lol.
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YakittyGirl
Pro deo et patria
09:29 PM on 09/13/2011
How about
boys
men
gentlemen
ignorant fools
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YakittyGirl
Pro deo et patria
09:27 PM on 09/13/2011
You are right and ladies are the rarest of the 3 groups.
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bellalida
04:56 PM on 09/13/2011
The tapes should have been released in 2067 when even her grand children would've been dead. Was it because of the truth she revealed in them? Caroline edited all the tapes! That should tell you something. I do belive that we will not hear half of what she said in those tapes otherwise we would see the other side of the cold, calculated Jackie. I feel she planned her mariage to Onasis while walking behind her husban's coffin. I have a good feeling that she was a fake.
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wkingsolomon77
09:27 PM on 09/13/2011
This was the plan $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Spike5
Let's go forward, not back to an imaginary past
12:16 PM on 09/28/2011
I thought it was part of a deal--release the tapes in exchange for ABC not running the salacious Kennedys miniseries.
04:27 PM on 09/13/2011
CLASS to the max......
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04:18 PM on 09/13/2011
this has all been so long ago now, most people who were adults at that time are now in their 70' and 80's so it will have little impact on the younger generation!