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North Carolina House Advances Gay Marriage Ban Without Public Notice

North Carolina Gay Marriage

First Posted: 09/12/2011 7:33 pm Updated: 03/11/2012 11:22 pm

WASHINGTON -- A constitutional ban on same-sex marriage moved a step closer to becoming a reality on Monday in North Carolina. The state House of Representatives approved legislation to put the issue on the ballot in May 2012, just five hours after the bill was put before the members of the state legislature.

After a series of last-minute procedural changes by House Republicans, the chamber passed the amendment by a 75-42 vote, without any input from the public. Eight Democrats joined Republicans in voting for the measure. It now heads to the GOP-controlled state Senate.

There is already a law banning same-sex marriage in North Carolina. But state GOP leaders, including House Majority Leader Rep. Paul Stam, were worried a court could find the law unconstitutional. Therefore, they pushed to amend the state's constitution to be in synch with the law.

Stam also said he's worried that New Yorkers who have legally wed in their state may move to North Carolina.

"They're going to bring with them their same-sex marriages and they're going to want to get divorced and have child custody issues ... and we're not equipped to handle them," Stam said on the House floor.

A series of procedural maneuvers by the Republican majority ensured public comment was not included in the debate Monday, and committee members had to vote on a brand-new version of the bill less than an hour after seeing it for the first time.

The location of the committee meeting room and the chamber selected to debate the bill first were both changed from the original schedule. The proposed constitutional amendment wasn't made public until later in the afternoon, while the House was already debating the bill.

The proposed ballot date for when the amendment would be put to a vote was also changed to the May 2012 primary election rather than the November 2012 general election. Democrats had charged that Republicans wanted the amendment on the general election to boost conservative voter turnout, and Stam said this move would eliminate that criticism.

House Rules Chairman Tim Moore (R-Cleveland) chose not to allow public comment on the measure, despite many people reportedly showing up to speak on the issue.

During the debate, Democrats repeatedly decried the amendment as a distraction from creating jobs and helping the struggling economy. Others asked why they were debating what is already outlawed in statute, while still others shared emotional, personal stories about why they did not want discrimination written into the state's constitution.

State Rep. Marcus Brandon (D-Guilford), the only openly gay state lawmaker, told his fellow lawmakers that people yelled "abomination" at him as he walked through the capitol building that afternoon, and said he was told he was "going to hell."

State Rep. Mickey Michaux (D-Durham), a black lawmaker, had an exchange with Stam on the floor in which he pointed out that the U.S. constitution "still says I am three-fifths of a person." Michaux said on the floor that he was attempting to highlight how hard it would be to remove the discriminatory language in the future.

At one point, state Rep. Jennifer Weiss (D-Wake) called out Stam for eating popcorn during the debate "while other's rights are stripped away."

One Republican lawmaker, state Rep. Glen Bradley (Youngsville), stood and spoke in opposition to the amendment, even offering his own amendment -- which eventually failed -- that would have removed the government from having any role defining marriage of any couple. He eventually said he would vote for the amendment to go to the ballot, even though he was "ashamed" of the legislative body.

Besides Bradley, only a few lawmakers spoke in support of the proposed constitutional amendment, while at least a dozen spoke in opposition. The Republicans said they simply wanted to put the final decision to the people.

Eight separate candlelight vigils were planned around the state of North Carolina on Monday at 7 p.m., and gay rights activists plan to rally at the North Carolina statehouse at noon on Tuesday. Almost 50,000 hand-signed postcards in opposition to the amendment were delivered to the statehouse Monday morning as well.

A recent poll conducted by Public Policy Polling found a majority of North Carolinians oppose the constitutional amendment.

CORRECTION: This story previously stated that Tim Moore is a Republican representative for Farwell. He is a representative for Cleveland County. It also stated Marcus Brandon is a Republican, he is a Democrat.
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Levonsky
a fan of enlightened self interest
12:32 PM on 10/03/2011
Connies can always be counted on to bring up the social wedge issues.
It's they only way they can distract the voters enough to pass their abhorrent economic policies.
10:40 AM on 10/03/2011
This is not an Issue I am very Passionate about and I don't really care one way or another how it turns out. I will form an opinion on this when other more pressing problems are solved.What does puzzle me however is the notion that Gay Marriage is a Threat to Traditional Marriage. How can that be unless someone in the Traditional Marriage is Gay and might be tempted? It seems to me that if Gay Marriage is not to your liking,it is very easy to just stay away from. People need to focus on their own messed up lives and stay out of other peoples business.
12:49 PM on 09/21/2011
Why would any New Yorker move to South Carolina?
03:28 PM on 09/19/2011
So I pulled out my bible, and Leviticus 18 gives a nice list of "Unlawful Sexual Relations" for men, it seems:
Don't have sexual relations with:
Close relatives. Especially your mom, stepmom, sister, half-sister, sister-in-law, granddaughter, aunt, or daughter-in-law.
Both a woman and her daughter or granddaughter.
Your wife's sister while you're married to her.
A woman on her period.
Your neighbor's wife.
Animals. This one applies to women too.

There are two that are worded differently:
Don't ask to have sex with your uncle's wife.
Don't "lie" with a man as one "lies" with a woman.

I mean, I can only think of "lie" as meaning "sexual relations", unless it meant that sexual relations are permittable, but you can't sleep together afterwards, or something to that affect. Either way, I wonder why it's different. But the Bible really REALLY just does not like incest, and one has to wonder why if homosexuality is considered so bad, why the point wasn't driven further. Additionally, the bestiality one explains that it also applies to women. It never says anything about relationships between two women. God seemed pretty either neutral or ambivalent on the matter.

As for this bill, if I still lived in NC, I would so vote against it. Because I support giving the choice to marry to of-age people who love each other. Plus I'm an Atheist anyway :P
05:33 PM on 09/15/2011
This is great to hear that gay marriage is being banned. America was founded on religion and to ignore it is silly.

One Nation Under God by Jon McNaughton is all about this and is a huge reason why I don't think gay marriage has a place in America.

www.buyonenationundergod.com.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/One-Nation-Under-God/213367615378919
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jmoser1973
It is what it is.
10:27 PM on 09/16/2011
If you were an intellect and not just brainwashed by religion, you would know that the bible was written by man,. It is a great tool to have in life but if you read it carefully, its also got parts of incest and rape. People need to truly read the bible and see whats really in it. Not pick and choose which parts they want to follow. Of course in church they never read the aweful things that are talked about in the bible. Have you read those parts. Like the lord sending Joshua in to attack a city. To kill all the men, women, and children of the city so Joshua could have it?
Have you read in Judges21 how he orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife!
Doesn't sound like the Lord we know does it. Thats because the bible was written by MAN. So please don't use religion as your reasoning. Learn to be a Christian and love one another as you should and let God be the judge, not you.
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Igotgasbaby
Hi, My Name Peggy
12:56 AM on 09/17/2011
"America was founded on religion and to ignore it is silly."
Which religion? Yours, mine, your neighbors, my co-workers? Which religion is it, that we all have to believe and follow?
-- "to ignore it is silly" Silly?? Really?? To ignore YOUR religion might be silly or it might just be the way to go!!!
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
07:36 AM on 09/15/2011
I want a law banning WWJD and fish bumper stickers. dang those things annoy me.
10:10 AM on 09/17/2011
I haven't many of the WWJD bumper stickers lately. They seemed to disappeared after people started saying Jesus would feed the poor and provide medical care to the ill. Maybe some people actually see the hypocrisy is citing Jesus while railing against socialism.
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peskime
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel
08:30 AM on 09/14/2011
Everything a republican does is based upon one thing, FEAR. Since I am moving to Ashevile in the next few months, I will join the many others who will be outspoken critics against legislature that is ignorant and fear based. I have two lesbian friends who are getting married in New York in a few weeks and my husband and I support gay marriage.
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turboturd
I need help! And a pony!
11:04 PM on 09/13/2011
Thêrê is so much churchy ridiculous­nêss in NC your bêttêr off in a mêntal asylum.
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Wayne Peterson
10:38 PM on 09/13/2011
am I correct that the vote is scheduled for the Spring Republican primary? Why not for a general election when more than Republicans will be voting???
09:37 PM on 09/13/2011
Major Props to North Carolina! I hope they become the 31st state to ban Gay Marriage. They are doing it right by letting the people vote whether or not they want it banned, unlike New York where they forced Gay marriage on the people without letting them vote.
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cibersatan
Born a defendant
11:08 AM on 09/14/2011
why should it even be an issue....if 2 grown people want to get married (ALL marriage should be illegal as it is nothing more than a business agreement) then why can't they?? Why should someone who will never be gay have a say in the lives of gay people??
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
07:38 AM on 09/15/2011
Gay marriage should be forced on all 50 states. Forced by the federal government and the president. Did you vote to kill DADT? no. same thing
07:57 PM on 09/13/2011
The same St Paul that these bigoted Church-goers love to quote in their opposition to LGBT persons, prophesied that in the LATTER DAYS some [gay] will be forbidden to marry - NC is simply fulfilling prophecy.
06:23 PM on 09/13/2011
So over 9 hours ago I posted a Republican reply to this and Huffy still hasn't posted it. Love your censorship. Go ahead do it again with this.
05:22 PM on 09/13/2011
OK, so let me see if I got this right. You collect taxes from GLBT United States citizens, but you don't extend the same rights and freedoms as hetrosexuals? Hmmmm...maybe the GLBT community should stop paying taxes! Divorces should be outlawed for hetrosexual couples, if the mairrage between and man and woman is so sacred!
12:58 AM on 09/14/2011
I am opposed to same-sex marriage. I also believe that the ease of divorce is the biggest factor in the decline of importance of marriage, paving the way for nonsense like same-sex marriage.
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Thaag Tidestalker
Axial Tilt: the Reason for the Season!
07:58 AM on 09/14/2011
I say go whole-hog. Back to arranged marriages!
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peskime
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel
08:40 AM on 09/14/2011
My husbamd and I have been married 23 years and are supporters of gay marriage. To deny others the same rights we afford is unconstitutional and morally bankrupt
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Bill J4321
05:10 PM on 09/13/2011
Unscrupulous people? Doing unscrupulous things?? Unscrupulously???

The GOP would never allow that!
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Dern88
Jeebus save me from your followers!
05:03 PM on 09/13/2011
"They're going to bring with them their same-sex marriages and they're going to want to get divorced and have child custody issues ..."

Understandable, as it's common knowledge that straight marriages in NC never lead to divorce or child custody issues. We wouldn't want to taint their perfect Utopia now, would we?
11:19 PM on 09/13/2011
Right. And after all, the first thing any New York gay couple thinks is "I really want to move to the South and litigate my marriage in the courts." It's a good thing our political leaders in Raleigh have such foresight!