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Super Committee Task Complicated By Obama Jobs Plan

DAVID ESPO   09/13/11 10:24 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Digging in for a bruising struggle, Republicans on Congress' powerful deficit-fighting "supercommittee" targeted Social Security and government health care spending Tuesday while Democrats pressed for higher tax revenue as part of any deal to reduce red ink by at least $1.2 trillion over the next decade.

There were no ultimatums from either side, and there was even a fleeting suggestion that tax reform might eventually clear the way for the bipartisan agreement that both sides say they want.

Yet with the Census Bureau reporting national poverty at a 28-year high and partisan struggles flaring elsewhere in Congress, the events underscored the challenge the 12-member panel faces as it gropes for a deal that can clear Congress and win President Barack Obama's signature by year's end.

With the nation's debt high and surging and the population aging, "Citizens will either have to pay more for their government, accept less in government services and benefits, or both," Doug Elmendorf, the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, told supercommittee.

Though the choices are difficult, he said, the problem "need not be viewed as unsolvable."

Yet the challenge is complicated, he said, if the lawmakers' are hoping to revive the economy in the short term and to cut federal deficits in later years. In that case, "a combination of policies would be required: changes in taxes and spending that would widen the deficit now but reduce it later in the decade."

The committee has until Nov. 23 to recommend legislation, but Elmendorf said the essential decisions must be made as much as three weeks earlier than that to make sure they are drafted into a bill and their impact on the federal budget calculated carefully.

The panel was created last month as part of a compromise that avoided a threatened government default and cut nearly $1 trillion from some federal programs.

In addition to the original goal of cutting long-term deficits, Democrats want much or all of Obama's week-old $447 billion jobs proposal put on the agenda, significantly increasing the amount of savings that must be found.

"My question to Congress is: What on earth are we waiting for?" the president asked rhetorically as he visited Columbus, Ohio, to campaign for the enactment of his program of Social Security payroll tax cuts and spending increases for highway projects and other domestic programs.

Speaking in the home state of Republican House Speaker John Boehner, the Democratic president said his call for $25 million for school construction would put thousands of construction workers in Ohio back to work.

Boehner responded from the Capitol, where he said the president was seeking "permanent tax increases put into effect in order to pay for temporary spending. I just don't think that's going to help our economy the way it could."

Republicans are likely to accept some or all of the tax cuts Obama wants, but the spending increases shape up as a tougher sell. GOP leaders point out that the administration's call for higher taxes on the wealthy has faced opposition from some Democrats as well as Republicans in the past.

There were other skirmishes in Congress as the two parties sought to protect their own priorities in an era of soaring budget deficits.

Democrats on the Senate Appropriations Committee launched defense spending legislation for the budget year beginning Oct. 1 that is $17 billion smaller than the amount approved by the House, a difference that must be reconciled by the end of the month to keep the money flowing.

Also in the Senate, Democrats maneuvered to put Republicans on the spot on disaster aid by seeking legislation that would add $6.9 billion to FEMA's accounts without offsetting cuts elsewhere. The effect would be to let deficits rise.

Past efforts to reach compromise on major debt-reducing proposals have run aground over mutually exclusive demands – Republicans opposed to raising taxes and Democrats against cutting benefit programs.

But Obama has made clear he is willing to consider spending cuts this time around, and Boehner has said he put additional revenues on the table in negotiations with the president last summer that ultimately collapsed.

At the time the two men were considering tax reform that would generate growth – and about $800 billion in additional tax revenue over a decade – while lowering rates and closing loopholes.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., briefly raised the issue of tax reform at Tuesday's supercommittee hearing, asking Elmendorf if "revenue equal" overhaul of the existing code would help the economy grow.

The CBO director said it was possible, adding he couldn't say how big the impact might be.

Also inside the debt-reduction hearing, Rep. Jim Clyburn informed other lawmakers of a new Census Bureau report that showed 46 million Americans living in poverty. Referring to health care and other domestic programs, he cautioned Republicans, "`We really ought to look into all of these programs to see where cuts are to be made rather than talk about the number."

Much of the morning-long hearing consisted of committee members posing questions to Elmendorf designed to elicit answers that might enhance their own bargaining positions for negotiations with lawmakers of the other party.

Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, a co-chairman of the panel, pointed to statistics showing that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are growing faster in relation to the overall economy than they have in the past. "Not quite double, but certainly that can be described as explosive growth, could it not?" he asked.

"Very rapid, Congressman, yes," Elmendorf replied.

Hensarling also quoted Obama as saying, "The major driver of our long-term liabilities, everybody here knows, is Medicare and Medicaid and our health care spending. Nothing comes close."

Asked if he agreed, Elmendorf said he did.

Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, asked Elmendorf if he agreed that inappropriate payments in federal programs account for a significant amount of spending.

"I do agree," the CBO director said, although he quickly added that there was a difference between fraud and improper payments, some of which might be the result of individuals who were mistaken in how they filled out forms.

Among Democrats, Sen. John Kerry got Elmendorf's agreement when he said federal revenues have been relatively high as a proportion of the overall economy in years since World War II in which the budget was balanced – an attempt to counter Republican arguments that taxes are already too high.

Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., asked Elmendorf if it were true that Congress could adjourn for the next 10 years and the deficit savings would be greater than recommended by other groups that have tried to produce sweeping reduction packages. Elmendorf said that was correct – the income tax cuts enacted while George W. Bush was president would expire – and Van Hollen said quickly he wasn't advocating that.

But, he said, "It's time for this committee to get real and recognize that, yes, there are spending issues, but there's also a revenue issue. ... We've got to have a balanced approach."

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art69z
Government has become too big for its britches
09:02 PM on 09/26/2011
Ladies and Gentlemen...boys and girls...ghosts and ghouls....does anyone posting on this board actually believe that 6 Republicians and 6 Democrats will actually be able to come to a mutual agreement to cut 1.2 Trillion dollars over a 10 year period....? This again is all smoke and mirrors...first off, the nation on it's present course will never last another 10 years...so forget about that projection...mandatory across the board cuts are coming...and I mean to every government program ever dreamed up...I hear numbers like 46 million Americans living in poverty...Please, cut the crap...a majority of Americans have no idea what living in proverty is...you want to see a family in proverty, take a trip to the Philippines...I personally know entire families living in what would not even qualify as a garage...no bathroom, no washer/dryer, dirt floor, one sink, no kitchen stove, microwave, furniture, not even a coffee maker...your elected leaders got you into this mess and people are naive enough to continue to think government is going to get up out of this mess...their are going to be millions of people in for a big disappointment...I won't be one of them because I figure out their game...when their lips are moving, they are lying, deceiving, and scheming...
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05:54 PM on 09/13/2011
Elmendorf said in a statement. "Citizens will either have to pay more for their government, accept less in government services and benefits, or both."

OR we will have to stop funding all these stupid wars, end the war machine, and stop corporations from NOT paying taxes (removing all loopholes) and tax the rich so they pay their fair share (we are all ready paying our fair share).
05:30 PM on 09/13/2011
I'm betting against this committee to get it done by the deadline. To me they represent just another countdown to failure. Growth in the economy is dead-in-the-water. That's the problem. And they are nowhere near solving it...
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wst
05:28 PM on 09/13/2011
"Super Committee" ...like they wear tights and capes and have secret identies and fight crime. more like "superficial do nothing committee". wonder what the line is on this committee in vegas

2% chance they meet more then 3 times
90% chance someone will quit before it finishes
99% chance it will be a republican
chance of anything meaningful or useful coming out of this committiee--- 0%
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05:55 PM on 09/13/2011
100% chance of whatever comes out of committee harming middle class and poor while benefitting rich and corporations (can we start calling this facist yet?)
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Gaylord P Farqua
Herb Gardner Amateur Chef, Historian and Political
05:19 PM on 09/13/2011
Without increasing revenue by ending the Bush tax cuts and and the rest of the redistribution of the nation's wealth to the top earning 400 families (50%) the super committee may as well just enjoy some tax payer purchased donuts, drink some coffee, and tell each other a few jokes to kill time. McConnell and Cantor have no intention of letting their committee choices do anything but demand more tax cuts for the rich (oops, job creators) and cuts to social programs. By now they have figured out how to out smart the rules regarding the big scary drop dead requirement to impose budget cuts to defense and the rest if they cannot reach agreement and so,  it is super gridlock time. This is the reelection season and there is no time for the People's business. Surely those without jobs whose unemployment benefits have run out must have some cake they can eat.
03:28 PM on 09/13/2011
The super committee is just the center ring of the three ring circus that cogress has become since the T/P stepped into the picture
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Heidland
I like all things pie-ish. Oh, and cake.
03:23 PM on 09/13/2011
"The nation cannot continue to sustain the spending programs and policies of the past with the tax revenues it has been accustomed to paying," Elmendorf said in a statement.

That is true. It's also true that between corporate taxes and real taxes on "the wealthy" we could have more than enough revenue to pay down our debt.

But that reality would see the Republicans out of office, so it will never happen.
03:15 PM on 09/13/2011
The information given to the committee indicates what a sorry mess President Obama has made of economic recovery. The federal budget is in dire straights. Not even CBO will sanction more deficit spending.

If we had only an average recovery, the picture would be much better. But Mr. Obama and his left-wing gang at the White House totally fumbled the ball. They pitched over-regulation, a halt to producing more domestic energy, environmental wackoism, overly pro-union policies, and always higher taxes, higher taxes, enormous deficit spending, and higher taxes as part of every discussion. They crippled consumer demand and business confidence.

The effect of these policies is the miserable mess they created. Even Obama's so-called jobs bill is essentially more of the same--higher taxes and big government spending. This president doesn't learn from failures. He just doesn't get it.

Americans should judge by results, and look for a new president in 2012 with different policies that might work. America is in sorry shape. Had enough?
04:31 PM on 09/13/2011
WRONG!!!!

1. There isn't "over-regulation" especially when it comes to the financial services industry, and clean air and clean water.
2. Taxes, as a percentage of GDP (which is a good way to measure REAL taxes collected) are AT A FIFTY YEAR LOW!! Taxes need to be higher
3. The vast majority of the increased spending during Obama's term is due to BUSH POLICIES or items that are not of Obama's doing, like Medicare and Medicaid
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infographics/us-national-debt

NONE of the Republican candidates have any "different policies that will work". Their only ideas are tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations, which have NOT worked based on on the economy over the last 10 years.
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SuperDW
Ask not what your country can do for you but WTF?
05:07 PM on 09/13/2011
Well stated. I'm a fan.
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05:57 PM on 09/13/2011
All your information comes from Fox, right? Because it is decidely wrong.
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ThankGodhesgone
Always Progressive
02:47 PM on 09/13/2011
Neither side is really going to seriously cut anything. They'll all just wait for the automatic triggers to kick, so they remain blameless.
05:01 PM on 09/13/2011
What a refreshingly cynical view. And by far the most probable outcome.
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wst
05:34 PM on 09/13/2011
i think there should be more interesting triggers like: if they can't come to a reasonable workable agreement, then everyone in congress must come to work in a clown suit.
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ThankGodhesgone
Always Progressive
06:25 PM on 09/13/2011
Do they really need clown suits? They are clowns.
02:39 PM on 09/13/2011
As with the deficit commission it was doomed to failure before the ink dried regardless of what Obama did. Since republicans refuse to have those who have taken so much pay their fare share we will never have another balanced budget and red ink forever unless America wakes up! Don't count on it!
01:50 PM on 09/13/2011
They (super committee) were probably just a decoy anyway, to make us think Washington was really interested in cutting spending. Thats just the problem, they never stick to a less spending/reduction plan, theres always just one more thing to add. its like trying to keep a drunken sailor from spending all his money in a bar on shore leave, there is just no will power.. spend, spend. No one in washington, thinks were in" trouble" and have plenty of pride in themselves, not caring or wanting to do anything but just keep moving right along with the deficit ridden government. I guess the old adage.."pride cometh before a fall",.. and its gonna be a big one when it finally does come. God help us.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
01:09 PM on 09/13/2011
It will take quite a lot of work for the Committee to reduce the GOP's enormous privileges to their donors.
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xargaw
12:37 PM on 09/13/2011
If we got out of the middle east, we would stop hemorraging money. Since we spend more on defense than all the other nations combined, we should SLASH that budget too, in addition to the War costs.
12:46 PM on 09/13/2011
Didn't BO say he was going to bring the troops home?
12:47 PM on 09/13/2011
You believe anything a politician says?
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ThankGodhesgone
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leroydied
12:33 PM on 09/13/2011
Scrap the whole government and start over. History has shown that once a government becomes too large and corrupt it falls.