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Moody's Downgrades Top French Banks On Fears Of Greek Crisis

By SARAH DiLORENZO   09/14/11 08:52 AM ET   AP

PARIS -- Moody's downgraded the credit ratings of French banks Societe Generale and Credit Agricole on Wednesday following a period of huge volatility in the markets as investors fretted about their exposure to Greece's debts.

Some sort of move by Moody's had been widely expected this week since the agency had put them and rival BNP Paribas on review for downgrade in mid-June.

While cutting its rating on Societe Generale's long-term debt rating by one notch to Aa3 and Credit Agricole's by the same amount to Aa1, Moody's warned that both could have their ratings downgraded by a further notch as it assesses "the implications of the persistent fragility in the bank financing markets." BNP's rating also remains under review.

The downgrades come as Europe scrambles to deal with the Greek debt crisis amid mounting fears that the debt-laden nation may have to default. That would leave some banks holding a lot of debt that might never be repaid, and investors are wondering if the banks have enough of a cushion to absorb those losses.

Because of those fears, some European banks have been having trouble securing the loans they need to fund their day-to-day operations; U.S. money-market funds have seemingly been particularly reluctant, and one European bank was forced to pay higher than market rates recently to get dollar funding from the European Central Bank.

Moody's assessment on Wednesday explored how the banks would weather a significant loss on their Greek debt, and the new review will now look at how much they've been affected by the difficulty to raise money on capital markets.

"Our concern now is more the financing markets of banks. Funding conditions have become more difficult and the risk is that persists and that becomes progressively more negative the longer it persists," said Nicholas Hill, an analyst at Moody's.

The banks, Societe Generale and BNP Paribas, in particular, have denied that the funding difficulties have put them in any real danger, saying that they still have plenty of access to loans.

Moody's maintained its Aa2 rating on BNP Paribas because its profits and capital base "provide an adequate cushion to support its Greek, Portuguese and Irish exposure."

Following the downgrade, Societe Generale said Moody's analysis shows that the bank's exposure to Greece "to be modest and manageable."

Earlier this week, Societe Generale's chief executive Frederic Oudea said that the bank was prepared for a downgrade and that it would not change its outlook.

Christian Noyer, the governor of the Banque de France, also shrugged off the news.

"For me, it's relatively good news," Noyer told French radio RTL. "First, because it's a very limited downgrade, only on two out of three banks, and especially since Moody's rates them better than the other two agencies (Standard & Poor's and Fitch), so, in reality, it put them at the same level or even slightly higher than the other agencies."

Government spokeswoman Valerie Pecresse, who is also the budget minister, reiterated her "confidence in the position of the French banks."

But analyst Louise Cooper of BGC Partners said that there are real concerns about the banks' access to funding.

"Why are share prices then so low and volatile? Because investors are highly skeptical of what they are told. Why are they so skeptical? Because clearly anyone who works in these markets ... will tell you that lending between banks and other financial groups in the short term wholesale markets is anything but normal," she said.

Credit Agricole did not comment on the downgrade specifically but said in a statement that its retail bank will put in place a general guarantee of the investment banking subsidiary. The retail bank, Credit Agricole SA, is generally considered to be in a stronger position than the investment banking arm.

The statement seemed aimed at reassuring investors of the level of support available to the investment bank.

It may have worked: Credit Agricole was the only one of the three banks whose shares were trading higher on Wednesday afternoon. They were up 3.2 percent.

Societe Generale was down 2.8 percent, while BNP Paribas was also pressured even though it wasn't downgraded. Its share price fell 2.2 percent.

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Sylvie Corbet contributed to this report.

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Lex Anton
Freedom doesn't exist in America.
01:42 PM on 09/15/2011
This is a WORLD CRISIS.
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03:28 PM on 09/14/2011
I wouldn't trust Moody's or any other ratings agency with movie reviews, let alone a rating on banks, stock or anything else they care to tell us.

I find it hard to believe these companies are still in business.
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gerald4
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03:36 PM on 09/14/2011
Who then would you trust for an opinion concerning the ability of some country to pay its financial obligations?
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04:15 PM on 09/14/2011
I would most likely do my own research or I would try to find a new rating agency with a bit more integrity.

I just don't know how any of the big 3 agencies are taken serious these days? They sat around and watched as matches were being put to Rome and told the world everything was AOK, or should I say aa+.
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gerald4
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02:47 PM on 09/14/2011
The freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds and freshly printed paper US Dollars that the US government prints and sells to individuals (in industrial nations that produce wealth) have ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE, except that the US government allows them to be redeemed with purchase of title to privately owned businesses, factories, casinos, hotels, farms, land, ports, breweries, refineries, forests, and other privately owned assets located in the USA that were created by previous productive US generations instead of Gold from Ft. Knox that essentially no longer exists.

The discounts from current value and/or present worth are reflected at the scheduled US government bond auction sales to raise or borrow back US dollars from those individuals in industrialized nations that are creating wealth will mathematically convert to interest rates offered by the public (including foreigners) at public FED auctions to purchase our freshly printed US securities by industrialized manufacturing nations that have accumulated US dollars does depend and reflect upon the confidence that the USA instills these foreigners by our economic actions and ability to repay these US Treasury Bonds when they become due.
02:10 PM on 09/14/2011
Just let banks go down---they are now overwhelmingly much of a paper-gambling business that produces little real wealth. So why should we suppose they are of super importance to us?
Why should we suppose we will live worse-off should we let them fall?
Why should we use tax money to bail them out?
When they handed out heft bonuses, had they been able to spend just a fraction of a nanosecond to think of us poor and struggling in the same desperation they once stood in before we bailed them out?
03:27 PM on 09/14/2011
I love how folks think the banks and money supply is disconnected from the rest of the population.

Yes there are bank employees who are paid way way too much for what they do, however, if the underlying banking system goes under were all going under and I can guarantee your life would be a lot worse off. We could very well end up there and need to restructure the whole system. But thinking that banks will fail and just 'rich' people are impacted is not seeing the big picture.
03:59 PM on 09/14/2011
Never had I once thought letting banks fail would not affect us. I know exactly what will happen if we don't come to the rescue.
As you have said, we will be worse off and others said, we will have over 25% unemployment rates, and so on and on.
But after we are worse off, after we get unemployed, and after banks get restructured, we will get upward, get bettered, and be prosperous again.
Continuing to be sucked in this downward dilemma is plainly not a option.
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4eva
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10:33 PM on 09/14/2011
That's the justification used for all the bailouts, back-door bailouts and other scams going to prop up the banks (and their big bonus employees).

Frankly, I think people are at the poin where they don't care if they suffer if it all comes down. We can creat something new, and better than these endless scams and rip-offs and confidence games.
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DismayedRepub
300km/s Not just common sense, it’s the law
01:25 PM on 09/14/2011
BNP Paribas owns my bank, hmmmm. Bank Run!
12:54 PM on 09/14/2011
Socialism isn't so much fun once you get the tab and you're asked to pay up.
04:04 PM on 09/14/2011
Who's socialist? Société Générale?
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Justtheobvious
Solidarity 99%!
12:10 PM on 09/14/2011
If Greece falls, we fall with it. Germany is a large holder of Greek debt and the US is an even larger holder of German debt.

Thank you for deregulation W.
12:55 PM on 09/14/2011
We are intertwined and face major issues if Europe goes down.

But if I recall, Glass-Steigel recall and other derivatives deregulation were done well before W. The whole deregulation and massive debt run up was supported by both parties, because politically is solves everything, you can give away more goodies for re-election without need to raise any more revenue, perfect political win-win. However, that model only works for so long and only works in a growth economy. Build up too much debt or face a downturn and you are toast and right now we are 2 for 2 (recession and 100%+ of GDP and most Euro countries are in the same boat)
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gerald4
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01:40 PM on 09/14/2011
You can thank President Clinton for the repeal of the Glass-Stei­gel Act, and NAFTA, "Most Favored Nation" status for China, and greater WTO involvement.
08:13 PM on 09/14/2011
I don't think a thank-you would be the proper response.
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11:50 AM on 09/14/2011
Bernanke and the federal reserve have been giving these banks secret loans for several years now...so why are they still in trouble ?
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gerald4
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12:07 PM on 09/14/2011
I hope that is not true.
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12:17 PM on 09/14/2011
It is true.
12:59 PM on 09/14/2011
It is not the banks it is the type of debt. There is NO where else to hide.

First the consumer transferred short term personal debt to long term assets like their home, 401K (borrowing against), etc. When that went belly up we transferred personal debt to sovereign debt (ie bailouts of the mortgage industry, auto companies, etc). Now we are seeing countries start to loose a handle on their sovereign debt so where to go next? In Europe it is literally weak country (ie Greece, Portugal) to strong country (Germany, France). But then where?

No where, that is when the whole game stops. No more shuffling of paper.
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01:43 PM on 09/14/2011
exactly...the derivatives are impossible to redeem...absolutely impossible.
11:32 AM on 09/14/2011
Greece, once a great country, now a high percentage of workers work for govt, ,many don't pay taxes eventhough they should, heavy handout of govt benefits, now nearly in collapse.

US, still a great country, progressives wish we all belonged to unions or worked for govt, 50% of people pay no federal income tax, progressives wish for more govt handouts.

I hope we don't end up going down the same path as Greece., , ,
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
11:39 AM on 09/14/2011
Such a collection of assertions.

Greece is still a great country, though a country with problems. Don't we all?
11:54 AM on 09/14/2011
my assertions was from HP & the NY Times.
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
12:22 PM on 09/14/2011
You might as well say your assertions were from a book somewhere.
11:53 AM on 09/14/2011
Goldman Sachs got the Greek government to buy worthless paper and gave "advice" on their economics for years. We had to sell that useless stuff to somebody--and you simplify the whole thing with cause and effect that cannot be proven imperically. These are just talking points. I'm not supporting too much government or "heavy handouts" but you might want to really look at the financial's of Greece through the eyes of an "honest" economist--they got ripped off by American investment banks.
12:42 PM on 09/14/2011
Greece put themselves in this situation which is why they needed to go the GS in the first place. Actually the triggering event could be tied to the EU charter, clauses were left in that allowed countries like Greece, Italy, etc to practice some 'creative' debt restructuring in order of them to print an acceptable debt ratio to enter into the Eurozone trading block and euro currency.

GS never has their hands clean, they are out to make money, but people don't visit a loan shark unless they need money in the first place and that need was driven through over promises and under tax collection. All the while the powers that be in Europe turned a blind eye in order to ratify the EU charter.
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TROOPER-X
Opportunity is Equal, not Wealth.
11:22 AM on 09/14/2011
Greece needs to default and clear up this uncertainty. It's unneccessary grief for the traders.
11:12 AM on 09/14/2011
Here comes da European Lehmann Bros…and there is time there is not much anyone can do except take it in the shorts…this should probably do it for the Euro and probably the American Peso to…
11:02 AM on 09/14/2011
We will be bailing out these countries along with Germany and Japan, through the IMF - just watch and see. U.S. and Japan the biggest contributors to the IMF. Someone on CNBC said this morning, "if the American people knew how much money the U.S. gives to other Countries, they would be outraged". I'd would love to see the numbers, but that will be kept from us, no transparency and taxation w/o representation.
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
11:18 AM on 09/14/2011
If it stops with Greece, a bailout from money drawn from other European countries is possible.

If the problems expand, as seems likely, to Spain, Italy, and perhaps even France, then the problem is too large for the IMF. Japan, Germany, and the United States don't have the resources without overwhelming the current system. Only a global government "reset" would have the potential for solution.
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MaxBob
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10:39 AM on 09/14/2011
This is just another 'nail' for the Eurozone c o f f i n. It's just a matter of time before the 'break up' begins.
10:37 AM on 09/14/2011
Very Machiavellian move when you realize we are in the middle of a global financial war regarding derivatives the weapon of mass destruction in combination with financial over leverage and the USA has already been downgraded by the S&P..
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
11:21 AM on 09/14/2011
Neo-Malthusian.