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Rick Perry Campaigns In Virginia, Where HPV Vaccine Mandate Causes Little Controversy

First Posted: 09/14/2011 4:26 pm Updated: 11/14/2011 4:12 am

WASHINGTON -- Beset by criticism over his executive order to mandate that underage girls in his home state receive the HPV vaccine, Texas Governor Rick Perry campaigned in Virginia on Wednesday, the one state in the country where that vaccine is actually mandated.

Perry's stopover in the commonwealth included a speech at Liberty University and a lunch at the Richmond Convention Center, where he raised funds with Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell (R). That he spent time in the one state that, along with Washington, D.C., institutes a policy similar to the one currently tripping up his presidential bid was purely coincidental. The McDonnell event, for one, was planned months in advance.

Still, it's a bit of awkward timing for Perry, who at Monday night's presidential debate was attacked by his fellow candidates for his 2007 executive order, which he says he signed in order to help prevent girls from contracting the sexually transmitted virus and developing cervical cancer. The executive order, which allowed parents to decline to vaccinate their daughters, was overturned by the Texas state legislature.

On the one hand, Virginia Republicans have sought to repeal their own mandate, casting it (as Perry's critics have) as a government intrusion in individual medical decisions. But repeal legislation has always fallen short in the state Senate.

On the other hand, Virginia's experiment with the HPV vaccine has proven that qualified mandates, like the one Perry envisioned, are rarely as draconian as some try to suggest. (Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), for example, alarmingly referred to the vaccine as a "government injection" in Monday night's presidential debate.) Even some Virginia conservatives agree that mandating a lifesaving vaccine isn't necessarily incongruous with Republican principles.

"I'm a conservative Republican and I certainly do believe in limited government and limited interference of government into our lives. As we look at the function of government, I would put number one as being to protect its citizens," said Chris Stolle, a Republican member of the state's House of Delegates. "I think that a vaccination program for a disease that's epidemic falls very clearly within the realms of a small limited government."

Under Virginia's law, as with Perry's executive order, parents have the option of simply declining to have their daughter vaccinated. "[T]he opt-out in Virginia is global," said one top aide in the Virginia legislature. "Parents can just say no."

In addition, no long-term information is kept on who was immunized and who has opted out of the program. "We really don't have that data," said Sandra Sommer, the Quality Assurance and Policy Manager for the division of immunization at the Virginia Department of Health. The health department instead maintains statistics on the overall rate of HPV vaccination statewide.

"Virginia continues to progress on that front," said Sommer. "We are above the national average and the assumption is the mandate contributes at least partially to that."

That Virginia's HPV vaccination program has hardly been discussed, even with Perry's visit to the state, underscores that the controversy surrounding the issue is primarily driven by politics and not based on the program's merits. The law was slightly controversial in its original form; when it was passed in 2007, it made the HPV vaccine mandatory for girls before they entered the 6th grade. But then Governor Tim Kaine amended the bill to permit parental or guardian-sanctioned opt-outs. And because Virginia has one of the earliest generally assembly sessions in the nation, legislators were not subjected to the type of political pressures that lawmakers in other states faced over the issue that year. The result was bipartisan support in both chambers.

Since then, there have been regular efforts to undo the bill. This past winter, the House voted 61 to 33 in favor of repealing the mandate. But that effort, like those before it, died in the state Senate.

"There are some people in the House of Delegates who don't have any confidence in science," said state Sen. Janet Howell (D). "In the Senate we are more likely to value science and success rates."

Howell's colleague, state Sen. John S. Edwards (D), said that the mandate is not a source of discord.

"I think it is embedded in Virginia law," said Edwards, who supports the mandate. "I have not heard any controversy. I have not heard any opposition recently."

And so, the issue has been gradually pushed to the political back burner, with even McDonnell choosing, more or less, to ignore it. Howell said she couldn't recall the governor, who was elected in 2009, ever having discussed the vaccines. A newspaper archive search shows that the only press releases his office has put out on the matter stated that he hadn't taken a position. McDonnell did not respond to multiple requests for comment for this article.

And while Perry's ascension to the top of the Republican presidential ticket -- along with the heavy chatter that McDonnell could potentially be his pick for vice president -- may change that, the vaccination program will still have its defenders.

"I think we've taken what is a medical issue and politicized it, and it always bodes poorly for medicine when that happens," said Stolle. "We know that all the leading medical groups recommend that we get the vaccine, and so I think that when these issues come up, we need to rely on the medical experts to provide direction here and not politicize the issue. The silver lining on the cloud is that HPV is getting a whole lot of attention -- people are finding out the prevalence of it and the risks associated and that it can be vaccinated with a 70 percent success rate."

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Blue Pup in PHX
Howdy from Hicksvillle
01:24 PM on 09/19/2011
For all this stupidity, let's look at some REAL facts from real sources, shall we?

1. Some types of sexually transmitte­d HPVs cause cervical cancer and other types of cancer. These are called high-risk, oncogenic, or carcinogen­ic HPVs. It's estimated that in the US alone, 12,000 women will contract HPV-relate­d cancer each year. Of those, 4,000 will die.
http://www­.cancer.go­v/cancerto­pics/facts­heet/Risk/­HPV

2. HPV related cancers are responsibl­e for all cancers/ca­ncer related deaths world wide:

http://www­.cancer.go­v/cancerto­pics/facts­heet/Risk/­HPV#r3

1 in 10 women will contract cancer in their life times.

If they have genetic link (mother, grandparen­t, aunts, etc) to cancer, that number can go up to 4 in 10.

If they contract Fibrocysti­c Breast Disease, that number increases to 6 in 10,

now... add HPV into that woman who is already looking at a 6 in 10 chance of getting cancer... Where is she? In the 8 in 10 or 9 in 10 ratio of risk?!

http://www­.cancer.go­v/cancerto­pics/facts­heet/detec­tion/proba­bility-bre­ast-cancer
http://www­.dailymail­.co.uk/hea­lth/articl­e-1353474/­Breast-Can­cer-1-8-wo­men-lifest­yle-blamed­-huge-rise­.html

Knowing this and doing NOTHING to try to break this cycle is risking the deaths of millions and millions of young girls. Why would anyone do that? Can we please have a half way intelligent discussion without all the posturing, and political pontificating and lies... please.. Pretty please?
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
10:00 PM on 09/16/2011
"Many specialists say that among the sexually active, HPV is about as common as the common cold. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says about 20 million people are infected, most in their late teens and early 20s - although most no show obvious symptoms and eventually clear the virus. A handful of high-risk HPV strains can silently linger in the body to cause cancer years later."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/09/13/20110913ricky-perry-criticized-over-hpv-vaccine.html#ixzz1YAf6XbhF
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
09:36 PM on 09/16/2011
More than 80% of women in the US will contract HPV by age 50, and most will not have complications.
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Blue Pup in PHX
Howdy from Hicksvillle
01:19 PM on 09/19/2011
It freaking causes cancer! How can you just be so off base?. Please just stop it. Stop spewing complete and utter nonsense. Where are your facts and sources to back up what you are saying?

As a former cancer (non-HPV related) survivor, I can tell you that hearing a cancer diagnosis is earth shattering. An I don't rely on stupidity and soundbites from
FAUX news. Here are some that show just how off base you are:

1. Some types of sexually transmitted HPVs cause cervical cancer and other types of cancer. These are called high-risk, oncogenic, or carcinogenic HPVs. It's estimated that in the US alone, 12,000 women will contract HPV-related cancer each year. Of those, 4,000 will die.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV

2. HPV related cancers are responsible for all cancers/cancer related deaths world wide:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV#r3

Obviously, you know not of what you speak. HPV leads to a highly increased risk of cancer. Even without an HPV virus in the equation, just look at the odds:

1 in 10 women will contract cancer in their life times. (Some argue it's now more like 1 in 8-see stats below)

If they have genetic link (mother, grandparent, aunts, etc) to cancer, that number can go up to 4 in 10.

If they contract Fibrocystic Breast Disease, that number increases to 6 in 10,
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
02:32 PM on 09/19/2011
You math logic is flawed. But I kinda have an idea what I speak obout - I'm a cancer survivor - My mother died at age 45 from breast cancer (chemo and radiation actually did her in) and my dad just died of liver cancer. So please spare me the drama. I have a close relationship with my onclologist. We discuss ever detail of my treatment. I rejected some opotions because the adverese side effects were worse than the cancer. As I told my oncologist: It is like bruning down the barn to get rid of the rats.
I have been on remission more than ten years now.
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Blue Pup in PHX
Howdy from Hicksvillle
01:19 PM on 09/19/2011
Continued (part 2)

now... add HPV into that woman who is already looking at a 6 in 10 chance of getting cancer... Where is she? In the 8 in 10 or 9 in 10 ratio of risk? What makes THAT worth it?

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/detection/probability-breast-cancer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1353474/Breast-Cancer-1-8-women-lifestyle-blamed-huge-rise.html

For all of our advances in medicine, cancer is all to often a death sentence. If I could spare my daughters that risk I would. Cancer is a merciless, vindictive, decimating illness that I would not wish on anyone. Your bombastic ignorance is NOT based in fact.

Take it from someone who has sat in an Oncologist's office and heard this lecture..." odds on getting cancer are unfortunately much like playing Russian Roulette. Every women starts with at least one bullet in the chamber. If you have a family history of cancer, add four more. If you have had FBD add a couple more bullets... I'm very sorry to inform you but..."

Knowing this and doing NOTHING to try to break this cycle is risking the deaths of millions and millions of young girls. Why would anyone do that? Stop repeating lies and nonsense (dangerous nonsense)... just stop.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
09:30 PM on 09/16/2011
In business and politics nothing happens by coinicidence.
02:37 PM on 09/16/2011
Since this article was posted, the CDC and an accompanying editorial report (JAMA) have only added to the medical controversy (not political) about this vaccine.
To adequately report on this issue, a journalist owes it to his readers to actually address the very real concerns- not just the political ones. Please read:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-faces-safety-questions/story?id=8356717
justobserve
Not left nor right or center. Just a free thinker!
07:07 AM on 09/16/2011
They should have kept the data of who did the vaccine and who had opted out and the rate of disease in both groups and whether they were sexually active or not. Since the disease more likely effects the sexually active people, a data of such relationship is more important in telling us the causal effect so the government and the individuals would be more informed to make decision. The fact that we have three times the vaccines than other first world countries and they didn't have more health problems causing from not having a vaccine should be examined carefully. The babies have immature immune system and we keep pumping into their system all sorts of virus and foreign substances. We don't know if that might have caused the rising of autism or other brain disorders but generally the less we use drugs the better. They usually prevent or cure one disease but create other problems.
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Gary Strawley
12:59 AM on 09/16/2011
rick perry only cares about Lobbist Money (Bribe Money) and the rich! WAKE UP PLEASE!!!
DON'T VOTE AGAINST YOUR SELF AND YOUR FAMILY unless you are rich!
12:00 AM on 09/16/2011
All this talk from the Party of No... they keep say smaller government in our lives then have the guts in the same breath to force young girls to get these shot or ban them from school. They can't do birth control...THEY CAN DO JUST WHAT THE GOP DECIDES WHAT AND WHEN THEY CAN DO...IS THIS LESS GOVERNMENT OR IS IT HITLER'S BACK. Tese shot haven't been tested enough..Go read about them on Webmd...read the reviews...Make fun of Bachmann if you want but she's not wrong....The doctors have to give these out in Texas or they don't receive MONEY THIS IS ANOTHER GREEDY MONEY MANDATE... SOMEBODY IS GETTING RICH QUICK BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY FIND OUT IF ITS NOT SAFE. WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME...I WOULD NEVER ALLOW THIS TO BE GIVEN TO MY CHILD. THOSE REVIEW ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE. THOSE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IT, JUST DON'T GIVE A DAM. YOU ARE WRONG TO TRUST THE GOP...THEY ARE TAKING OUR FREEDOMS AWAY
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Arlin Carlson
wriote the blog Democratic finaical world and cont
08:25 PM on 09/15/2011
So if the Virginia mandate on the cancer vaccine was so good, why was there a 2-1 vote to repeal inthe state Hous? Perhaps it's the realizationthat theyare pracicing medicine without a license-or eventhe ability to diagnose-more over what's thepoint if no records are kept? who is to know 5 or 19 years from now wether the vaccinations weresucessful or cancers deveoped and mutated? I'd sayrepreal is theright thing..for allthe worng reasons-that is,if youdon'thave recorods of what was done-orhow- let's say for purposes ofdebate liablity issues arise (I am unsure if the will) absent records-how will liablitycases be decided?
The upshot is Merck has put itself at risk bynot insisting onrecords-at least for it's own protection. And if there are no records-how canthey tellsucess of failure of madates?
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cruiselover11d
06:09 PM on 09/15/2011
yeah heaven forbid we give a young girl medicine to prevent her from dying of cancer
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Gary Strawley
01:14 AM on 09/16/2011
It may cause cancer no one nows yet! But the point is gop always wants a bigger government against the people unless they are rich!!! Smaller gov means,, the gov. should not force people
to do what they want!
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
09:44 PM on 09/16/2011
It is not 100% effective agains all types of hpv and it does have adverse effects; death in some cases, which is kinda not curable.
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Blue Pup in PHX
Howdy from Hicksvillle
05:50 PM on 09/15/2011
..but where's the Michelle Bachmann Puppet Theater, where the scary animatronic candidate lady looks unblinkingly into the camera and emphatically states that the HPV vaccine causes retardation. ???
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Arlin Carlson
wriote the blog Democratic finaical world and cont
08:34 PM on 09/15/2011
Since youbring up this good point: where else can we look for cases of metal retardation-especially since the law is a state mandaet-if there are cases as Bachmannn alleges they sahould certianly be easy to fine. Perr yhas said that state goverment is a laboratory. Let's look for the results-and see if what has been done need rethinking- as Obama would say-"date drive,rather than emotion driven"
05:05 PM on 09/15/2011
"I think that a vaccination program for a disease that's epidemic falls very clearly within the realms of a small limited government."- Chris Stole

Then it should be a state to state issue not mandated by the federal government. Just the fact that there have been serious issues linked to the vaccination should be enough cause for Virginia to appeal the mandate.
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MJHammonds
I'm a fan of culturally witty posts
06:43 PM on 09/15/2011
What serious issues would those be?  Bachmann's unsupported anecdotal evidence?
11:43 AM on 09/16/2011
Google it and there are plenty testimonies about it causing health defects.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
09:54 PM on 09/16/2011
Not an epidemic; only abou 0.07% of US poplulation get hpv and most go unoticed.
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Madbunny
Prison Guard - FireFighter - now a School Teacher
04:09 PM on 09/15/2011
I find the responses here to be quite illuminating.

The Democrats are upset that Perry is blatantly on the take. Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth.

The Conservatives are upset that Perry issued an order for mandatory vaccines against an STD for 11-12 year old girls.

This country has turned into a really weird place.
05:18 PM on 09/15/2011
It's for cervical cancer.
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Madbunny
Prison Guard - FireFighter - now a School Teacher
05:43 PM on 09/15/2011
I'm familiar with what it is, I was using the articles description.

"...Still, it's a bit of awkward timing for Perry, who at Monday night's presidential debate was attacked by his fellow candidates for his 2007 executive order, which he says he signed in order to help prevent girls from contracting the sexually transmitted virus and developing cervical cancer. The executive order, which allowed parents to decline to vaccinate their daughters, was overturned by the Texas state legislature."

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/hpv/

As you can see HPV is essentially an STD, that can cause cervical cancer in women, among other things.

[quote] = CDC
How common are HPV and related diseases?
HPV (the virus). Approximately 20 million Americans are currently infected with HPV. Another 6 million people become newly infected each year. HPV is so common that at least 50% of sexually active men and women get it at some point in their lives.[/quote]
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
10:02 PM on 09/16/2011
Its for making money for Merck, the pharmaceutical that sells it.
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patman77
03:49 PM on 09/15/2011
looks like rick and bob are holdin hands and grinnin' pretty wide.
02:56 PM on 09/15/2011
These days there's so much confusion and contradiction about what left and right support that we can't very well judge a candidate on such issues. If we got rid of the two party system, maybe we could get back to where we vote for candidates instead of parties, which try to gather many issues under one label.

If we're going to worry about everything being voluntary, shouldn't the kids decide if they get shots and such?