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Republican E-Verify Bill Faces Growing Internal Opposition

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First Posted: 09/15/11 06:11 PM ET Updated: 11/15/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- A House Republican bill that would require businesses to screen for undocumented immigrants is facing a growing bloc of opposition -- even from within the GOP.

At a Thursday markup of the bill, which would mandate the use of an electronic screening system called E-Verify, one Republican Judiciary Committee member worried aloud that it would hurt agriculture businesses and drive workers underground. Democrats, who by and large oppose the bill, have been airing the same complaints for months, and are now forming an unlikely coalition with conservatives and Tea Partiers who oppose parts of the bill.

"I just can't abide with what we're doing to my state in terms of the temporary need for temporary workers," Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.) said. "It would devastate agriculture. … If we do not recognize the demonstrated need for foreign workers, and I'm talking about temporary foreign workers in the agriculture field, we're kidding ourselves."

Tea Party groups, including Take Back Washington, Tea Party Nation and Liberty Coalition, bought a full-page ad in Politico on Thursday criticizing the mandatory E-Verify bill. They also sent an open letter to members of Congress asking them to oppose the bill to avoid disastrous consequences for American citizens.

"Punishing businesses and telling citizens they can't work is no way to stop illegal immigration...or fix the economy," the ad reads.

According to the groups' letter, the mandatory E-Verify is problematic because it:

1. Creates a de facto national I.D. System - even for citizens;

2. Violates individual civil liberties such as the right to work and free speech;

3. Mandates a costly job-killing regulatory burden that cripples small business;

4. Requires employers to become enforcement agents of the federal government;

5. Encourages identify theft of law-abiding citizens

Some Republicans in Congress have the same problems with the bill, worrying it will hurt the American agricultural industry or take away state's rights to police undocumented immigration.

Although he supports making E-Verify mandatory for businesses, Lungren asked his colleagues to include a measure that would allow visas for temporary workers in agriculture.

"I stand as a supporter of E-Verify, but I also have to say, unless we recognize the specific, demonstrated need for agriculture and respond to that with a workable program, I'm afraid E-Verify won't pass and won't become law," he said. "I'm also afraid that if it were to become law it would devastate agriculture, and I just don't see why we have to do that."

Agricultural groups said at a hearing in June that a mandatory E-Verify bill could drive out vital employees that may not be easily replaced by American workers. An estimated 80 percent of workers in the agricultural industry are undocumented and few citizens apply, perhaps because of the long hours, low wages and back-breaking work.

"Few citizens express interest, in large part because this is hard, tough work," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsak said in June. "Our broken immigration system offers little hope for producers to do the right thing."

Some business owners also say the bill increases the number of bureaucracy hoops they must jump through in hiring workers, costing an estimated $2.6 billion to implement for small businesses. The program is already mandatory for government agencies and contractors, and open for use by independent companies.

Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), a freshman who is not on the Judiciary Committee, also opposes the E-Verify bill, although for a different reason. He said in a press release in June that the bill preempts states' rights to find their own ways to fight undocumented immigration.

"On paper, the Legal Workforce Act sounds good, but in reality it will be just another law the federal government doesn’t enforce," he said. "If this bill becomes law, states and municipalities will be powerless without the federal government acting first."

Liberal critics of the mandatory E-Verify bill, for their part, are eager to point out the dissent for the bill from the right in arguments about why E-Verify would not work. They argue that the bill should be coupled with comprehensive immigration reform that legalizes many of the current undocumented workers.

"It can't be done alone," Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said of E-Verify at the Thursday hearing. "Without those other reforms, mandatory E-Verify would create enormous damage."

But both groups face a Judiciary leadership that is staunchly in support of the bill, particularly Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) and immigration subcommittee Chairman Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.).

They say that E-Verify would protect American jobs by driving out undocumented workers, rejecting the claim that the undocumented people primarily take the jobs Americans will not.

"Anyone who cares about unemployment in America should care about opening up jobs for them," Smith said at the Thursday hearing. "Yes, E-Verify is a jobs killer, but only for illegal workers."

CORRECTION: 9/16 6:15 p.m. -- Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) does not support the bill in its current form, as was previously stated. "While Congressman King is a supporter of the use of E-verify, and he finds much in the Chairman's bill that he can support, he has serious concerns about the bill as it is currently written," John Kennedy, a King spokesman, said on Friday. "In particular, Congressman King is concerned about the bill's preemption language, the bill's failure to require the verification of returning agricultural workers, and the inability of employers to voluntarily verify the statuses of individual employees. He is looking forward to the opportunity to address these issues during the upcoming markup, and it is inaccurate to characterize him as a supporter of the legislation at this point."

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WASHINGTON -- A House Republican bill that would require businesses to screen for undocumented immigrants is facing a growing bloc of opposition -- even from within the GOP. At a Thursday markup o...
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03:37 PM on 09/25/2011
LATINOS FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT

Fellow Americans, it is time to wake up; Obama, and the organizations of traitors ( LA RAZA, MALDEF, MECHA, LULAC, THE HISPANIC CAUCUS, THE TEXAS HISPANIC CAUCUS, THE NATIONAL HISPANIC LEARDERSHIP, AND THE PROMOTERS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION), they are aware of our weakness. They realize that the pattern which led to the fall of Rome is at play today in our country, they destroy southern California, the Texas border, New Mexico and invade many US cities promoting this invasion and multiculturalism; this major threats and current crisis is not even addressed by our leaders in congress or the Senate; Obama refused
to enforce our immigration laws and order the US Justice Dept and Home land Security not to enforce the immigration laws. How are we going to prevent the thousands of economic fugitives that are invading our country, the United States cannot afford another influx of thousands of refugees from Mexico nor other country.
Fellow Americans, it is time to confront reality and we need to speak the truth. The truth is that This invasion of illegal aliens is a threat to us. Before I continue I want to make clear, that I do not have a problem with Mexicans or people from another country. There are many good people from Mexico, Latin America and other countries. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the legal immigrants, the illegal aliens and the traitors that strive for the political domination of the USA.
04:34 PM on 09/21/2011
All you "Progressives" out there. Watch who is voting against making eVerify mandatory, putting in place the best tool to date to prevent employers from hiring illegal workers -- Democrats! Democrats are voting against this right now!
03:44 PM on 09/25/2011
Obama and the Mexican culture of corruption are the ones that are promoting the invasion of Mexicans illegal aliens, We welcome all immigrants but we will not be part of this betrayal of our country. Obama needs to be impeach and all the Mexicans that are in our country illegally needs to be deport. Peace is the respect of others rights. Mexicans do not own our country. Mexico needs to understand that this is not about their race or nationality, is about the respect of our laws.
08:53 AM on 09/19/2011
Fact:

January 2008= The start of the E-verify Law, and the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs.

January 2008 Also = The start of "THe Worst Recession in U.S. History."

This is No Co incidence!


Tens of thousands of Immigrants dwellings were vacated nearly overnight, causing:

The "Forclosure Crisis."

All private sector Construction/Growth to Halt.

Millions of Americans to lose their Construction related jobs.

Home values to Plummet.

Entier States left with massive Excesses of Government Services.

Our Economy is dying with out the Hard Labor being done across America.

It has divided us , and caused a resurgence of Racism.

It has dumped hundreds of thousands of Good Hard working "Human's" at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border with nothing, to die of exposure. Many thousands of whom were parents of legal Citizen children, that they were ripped away from.

"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great.
Alex DeTocqueville.

Fix America's Economy?

Try looking at what actually Broke it!

Not Predatory Lending. What a Farce.

To: Good and Brotherhood, from Sea to shining Sea.
10:35 AM on 09/19/2011
Let’s look at the claim that the increased use of E-Verify made this the “worst recession in U.S. History”. The use of E-Verify was significantly ramped up on October 1, 2007. In September of 2007 total USA Employment stood at 146.4 million people working. Ten months later in July of 2008 total USA Employment had increased to 146.9 million people employed. Net gain – a half million jobs. Not bad for a job market “crushed” by the use of E-Verify.

In February of 2010 we had only 137 million employed Americans. We went from 14.6 million unemployed Americans to 22.1 million unemployed Americans. According to the Pew Center during the same time the number of working Illegal Immigrants declined from 8.5 million to 7.5 million. The claim that a 1 million person reduction in the number of working Illegal Immigrants when we had 147 million working Americans and 14.6 million unemployed Americans caused the current recession and was responsible for 7.5 million Americans loosing their jobs flies in the face of reality.
05:03 PM on 09/24/2011
Norski The Hard Labor that Immigrants gladly did "For America' supported all other American Jobs.

By Deporting Hard working Immigrants you have vacated entire States causing Construction, and Growth to halt, this caused the "Foreclosure Crisis", it plummeted home values,it cost millions of Americans their construction related jobs. and left these States with massive excesses of Government Services, both State and Federal.

You just don't get it do you?

Every action has a reaction Norski! Sometimes many millions of reactions!

The Deportation Damage to our Nation is now Irreversible, however it would help tremendously if Brainiac's like you would hit the Fields, and Dairies where the Hard labor needs to be done?
10:47 AM on 09/19/2011
Over the twenty years from the signing of Simpson-Mazzoli in 1986 to the start of the current recession in 2008, the American Economy was able to create an average of 1.66 million new jobs per year according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. During that time our Native Born have increased our workforce by an average of 0.5 million workers per year and we have admitted a million new legal immigrant workers per year according to the US Census Bureau and the USBLS. Since these figures are out of balance by 0.16 million people, the number of unemployed in the USA should have declined by 3.4 million people from 1986 to 2007.

Per the USBLS the number of unemployed people in 1986 averaged 8.2 million. Without illegal immigration the number of unemployed people in 2007 should have been 4.8 million. In fact, per the USBLS in 2007 unemployment averaged 11.8 million. In 2006 the Pew Center estimated that there were 7.2 million Illegal Immigrant Workers in the USA. This means that within the margin of error of the statistics, for each new Illegal Immigrant Worker in the USA, one American Worker joined the ranks of the unemployed. Per the USBLS 2007 unemployment rates by profession, unemployed Americans lost their jobs in the same professions where Illegal Immigrant Workers were the most prevalent per the Pew Center. Net cost in Unemployment and Welfare Benefits paid is $100 billion per year. Blaming eVerify for the crash is a joke.
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11:15 PM on 09/18/2011
"They say that E-Verify would protect American jobs by driving out undocumented workers, rejecting the claim that the undocumented people primarily take the jobs Americans will not."
That claim should be rejected. When they were talking about seasonal jobs in agriculture, that was one thing.
Now they are trying to say that Americans don't want jobs in manufacturing, construction, the service industry, chemical plants and a host of other industries. What the foreigners are trying to say is that American's don't want any jobs at all because they want them.
E-Verify may not be perfect, but it is better than nothing and might cut down on foreign nationals taking jobs they don't have permission to take.
An American can straighten it out if they are wrongly flagged by E-Verify. The people it worries are the foreign citizens who are not supposed to be here and are afraid of being caught and sent home.
10:54 AM on 09/19/2011
Here is data that backs up your statement. Per the Bureau of Labor Statistics Unemployment Report of August 5, 2011:

Construction and extraction occupations = 13.2% Unemployment
Transportation, material moving occupations = 11.6% Unemployment
Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations = 10.9% Unemployment
Production occupations = 10.8% Unemployment
Service occupations = 10.3% Unemployment

Total Adjusted US Unemployed Citizens and Legal Residents = 13,967,000
This figure and the above rates exclude 6,493,000 Persons who want a job but are left out of the above statistics for various reasons.
Total Number of Americans Looking for Work = 20,460,000
Plus that means the real unemployment rates for the occupations above are actually 46% larger when you include the excluded people.

The Pew Center estimates indicate 7.5 million Illegal Immigrants work in the USA. A Pew study "estimated that illegal immigrants fill a quarter of all agricultural jobs, 17 percent of office and house cleaning positions, 14 percent of construction jobs and 12 percent in food preparation." That means 75 percent of all agricultural jobs, 83 percent of cleaning positions, 86 percent of construction jobs and 88 percent of the food preparation jobs are done by American Workers. These professions are where the worst unemployment is for us Americans.

Meanwhile Management, professional, and related occupations where few Illegal Immigrants work has a 4.9% Unemployment rate.

This disparity existed before 2007 as well so it cannot be blamed on the Recession. Illegal Immigrants do take jobs from American Workers.
01:15 PM on 09/18/2011
I'm going to catch hell for this but here it goes:

As a Latino I say go ahead, pass the E-Verify Bill. Let the agricultural (and other) industries go down the toilet. Let some of our Tea Party friends start paying $10 for a head of lettuce. Then (hopefully) we can begin having a rational conversation on immigration and guest worker programs.
11:06 AM on 09/19/2011
The claim of $10 heads of lettuce is ridicules. Farm Worker Wages is a great example of why a free flow of labor beyond our reasonably established legal immigration limits hurts. Farm Workers top the Pew Center list of occupations most affected by Illegal Immigration. Per Pew data, as much as 25% of this workforce is made up of Illegal Immigrants. According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Farm Workers earn a median wage of $8.64 per hour. Construction Laborers who work equally hard with comparable skills but they earn median wages between $11.23 and $13.19 per hour. The lowest skilled Loggers earn a median wage of $14.66 per hour. Even Parking Lot Attendants have higher median wages than Farm Laborers at $9.04 per hour.

The reason we may have a transitory problem finding Farm Workers is People are making the logical choice that being a Parking Lot Attendant or staying on Welfare is more lucrative that working as a Farm Laborer. The sad part is even if farm wages were to increase to the level of Laborers and Loggers, to a median wage of $13.50 per hour, the cost of farm labor is only 7% of the cost of food. The result would be a 4.5% increase in food prices. The average American household currently spends about $370 per year on fruits and vegetables. Thus an increase to a living wage would cost the average American Household less than $17 per year.
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09:37 AM on 09/20/2011
You don't live in an agricultural state, huh? You evidently have no idea how integrated US agriculture is in everyday life? You'd be back on one of these threads, complaining about resulting mess and who's idea was that anyway. The Tea Party is flush enough to get by much better than the rest of the country.
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11:38 AM on 09/18/2011
The system is broken and the biggest problem in successfully prosecuting employers of illegal aliens is plausible deniability.

By their own admission E-Verify is only 50% accurate. I have seen applicants in the granite business fail E-Verify and simply go and get new false papers, which then work. Which is why I have seen granite factories where 80% of the workforce was illegal and had passed E-Verify.

Only when we have a reliable means to determine whether someone is here illegally will we be able to hold employers accountable. Under the law the hiring officer has to sign an I-9 under penalty of perjury. A national biometric ID system would sort all this BS out. Oddly Obama is for putting photo ID into E-verify, which is a start but not nearly enough.
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05:17 PM on 09/17/2011
Heck, why would our political parties want to verify immigrants for jobs when they would get paid less then someone who is a citizen? Our job market is in the toilet due to giving jobs to people who are illegal immigrants and out sourcing to India, etc. where wages are cheaper. Why doesn't wake up and realize our county needs help, and stopping the E-Verify law may help someone who is not illegal get a job!!!!
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04:39 PM on 09/17/2011
E-Verify and biolmetric national ID cards will never fly in this country because there are too many wealthy criminals who flourish in our system the way that it is.
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rocksage7
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11:33 AM on 09/17/2011
I live in the pacific northwest....I lost my first job to illegals when I was working my way through school ..working in our community's apple orchards ....then when I planted trees for the USDA yes a govt job...then after I got out of school my friend started a Sheetrock small buss...that went down also....there is no job that Americans will not do...I have friends that do yard work and work in the row crops and pick cherries...the republicans..just want slave labor...E Verify is needed....
Gasparilla
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07:27 AM on 09/18/2011
Your story of your friend and his sheetrock business is repeated all over the country. Those people can't compete with the businesses that lowball estimates because they are using illegal labor, often paying them under the table.
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09:32 AM on 09/17/2011
Bush had the House and Senate for six years and couldn't get it done.
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Viper1st
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12:07 PM on 09/17/2011
You are correct ~ the most recent Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation introduced in Congress was by the GWB Adm, The CIR of 2007, which included E-Verify

Turned out that E-Verify provision was its "poison pill" ~ opposed by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the then (D-IL) U.S. Senator, Barack Hussan Obama, lead the Democrat defeat of this CIR of 2007, in U.S. Senate Subcommittee, never making it to the floor of the U.S. Senate for a vote

Ironic
05:18 AM on 09/17/2011
As a Californian, I can tell you that Lungren is a liar of epic proportions. I would generally not believe him if he said the sun rose in the east. In this case, surprisingly, he is correct that agriculture here would suffer. But, notice that he is concerned about businesses, not the workers.
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frixx
06:30 PM on 09/25/2011
Actually, this is pretty simple. 
Yes we need temporary agricultural workers.

That said, we do not need to provide for their children, their families and all the costs that come with that.

When you hire a worker, do you also take on the responsibility to house their children, feed them, school them, and send them to college?

No.
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
04:39 AM on 09/17/2011
Although he supports making E-Verify mandatory for businesses, Lungren asked his colleagues to include a measure that would allow visas for temporary workers in agriculture.
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With almost 10% unemployment Lungren wants to allow foreigners to take the jobs that southerners can do?
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Viper1st
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05:07 AM on 09/17/2011
Already H1A & H2A Visas are available though USCIS for temporary, seasonal non-citizens as "guest workers" in U.S. farming

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=04de211f28ff0310VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=04de211f28ff0310VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD
02:13 AM on 09/17/2011
Agriculture has three years before the laws apply. Three years is plenty of time for farmers to find workers through the H-2A visa program. (and have it streamlined. Something that was in progress when Secretary Janet Napolitano put a stop to it as her first act in her new job in 2009)
wordsalad12
Caring for innocent life after they are born.
02:12 AM on 09/17/2011
the real question is, are we as consumers willing to give up "cheap" as our first priority? we want, clothes, shoes, food, and all consumer goods so cheap, they almost HAVE to be manufactured in countries with almost non-existent labor laws, or through illegal labor. Are we as a nation willing to pay more at the check-out counter, and or in taxes to pay for the higher cost of manufacturing goods or increased security at the borders? Will that be offset by more Americans working for better wages than what is offered to desperate illegals who enter the country? Will that increase consumer spending in the economy? Political grandstanding is ok, but neither leaders nor their constituents have any REAL answers that can be implemented and sustained, and nobody is willing to make the tough choices that are inevitable if the problem is to be solved through economics, not just politics.
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frixx
04:31 AM on 09/17/2011
Think about all the stuff we buy we don't need. 

What we do need is to start manufacturing things like light rail, solar and water conservation technologies. 

We invented this stuff. We can do it again. We lack the will,  but the need is obvious. 

Employ our own people first or they can't buy. 

That is the fatal flaw in outsourcing ALL our jobs. Who will spend?
wordsalad12
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04:32 PM on 09/17/2011
well said!
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10:56 AM on 09/17/2011
"the real question is, are we as consumers willing to give up "cheap" as our first priority? we want, clothes, shoes, food, and all consumer goods so cheap, they almost HAVE to be manufactur­ed in countries with almost non-existe­nt labor laws, or through illegal labor."

Are you kidding or are you just to young to remember the 60's or 70's? We had no problem buying "clothes, shoes, food, and all consumer goods" made in America back then. It was big business who bought off Congress in order to destroy 'protective tariffs' so they could move their factories to other countries and still use the US consumer market to sell their products and services. And, it is business owners, actually they are exploitive employers, who are fighting hard to buy off politicians like Longren in order to keep from losing their slave like illegal alien workers.

You claim that "neither leaders nor their constituen­ts have any REAL answers" but you are wrong. Lots of us have the answer. The Democratic Party spent 50 years fighting to protect American workers and their employers and America built the biggest economy in the world under that doctrine. The Democratic Party has spent the last 30 years supporting 'free trade' and 'illegal immigration' which drives down wages and destroys workers rights. Under that doctrine, we are virtually bankrupt.

Guess what is the answer?
wordsalad12
Caring for innocent life after they are born.
04:40 PM on 09/17/2011
some of this I did not know, and your guess for that is correct :)! however, well said. I feel very heartened reading your last paragraph.
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12:52 AM on 09/17/2011
No surprise, after all the demagoguery on the right they fold because the lobbyist in Corporate Agri-Business need their slave labor.
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Viper1st
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01:26 AM on 09/17/2011
Report unscrupulous U.S. Employers hiring illegals

ICE Toll-Free 1.866.347.2423
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
04:39 AM on 09/17/2011
Can we report Lungren?