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U.S. Takes Lonely Path In Opposing All Forms Of Palestinian Recognition


First Posted: 09/15/11 08:04 PM ET Updated: 11/15/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- When Susan Rice, the American ambassador to the United Nations, appeared at a breakfast meeting with reporters here on Monday, it was just one event in an unusually busy day.

"If you were to see my schedule," Rice joked, "you'd wonder why I am here."

For much of the past few weeks, Rice's hectic agenda has been dominated by a single item: persuading members of the United Nations to vote against a Palestinian bid for statehood.

"The United States, and I, and others, have been working very energetically to talk to member states about the real-world consequences of this kind of approach," Rice said.

It comes as no surprise that the U.S., a longtime ally of Israel, has pledged to oppose the Palestinian statehood bid. If the Palestinians seek formal recognition of their state in the U.N. Security Council, the U.S. has promised to veto the measure. If they instead ask for informal "observer" status in the U.N. General Assembly, the U.S. is enlisting allies to vote against it -- even though by all accounts Palestinians have the votes to win.

But in its vehemence to fight every form of recognition for the Palestinians, analysts say the U.S. has also highlighted its unique position within the international community on the subject of Israel -- and possibly its marginalization.

"You are going to be isolated with us in a very visible way," Shlomo Ben-Ami, a former Israeli foreign minister who is now vice president of the Toledo International Centre for Peace in Madrid, said of the American tack on next week's proceedings.

"The resonance of Israel and the U.S, and some other countries like the Czech Republic [standing alone against the Palestinians] will be clear."

Indeed, the diplomatic process has been such that some in the State Department have privately complained that it lately feels like they work for the Israeli government.

American officials have continued, despite the odds, to try to persuade the Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas -- who formally announced Thursday that he would submit the statehood bid on Sept. 23 -- to hold off. On Tuesday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sent two top diplomats, David Hale and Dennis Ross, back to the region for last-ditch meetings with Abbas and Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The only way of getting a lasting solution is through direct negotiations between the parties," Clinton said at the time. "And the route to that lies in Jerusalem and Ramallah, not in New York."

But the more significant diplomatic battle is being waged in New York, where administration officials are lobbying European nations to oppose the more informal, General Assembly vote with unusual vigor.

U.N. officials and other reports indicate that Germany, the Netherlands, Poland and the Czech Republic are among those considering abstaining or opposing the proposal, while France, Spain, Britain and Portugal are said to be leaning in favor of it.

"The U.S. is definitely putting a full court press on a lot of these countries," said Zvika Krieger, who is the senior vice president of The S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace and who consults regularly with administration officials on Israel.

No nation is too small: last week, the Jerusalem Post reported that the U.S. had joined Israel in lobbying the tiny Caribbean island nation of Grenada against the Palestine state.

And there are some indications that the entreaties are working -- as the statehood bid becomes less of an abstraction, Krieger said, some of the nations who supported it in principle "are starting to wonder what are the real implications to elevating [the Palestinians] to observer status."

But few expect the Americans to have more than a handful of major allies on the vote.

Earlier in the week, former British foreign secretary Jack Straw said his government ought to support the Palestinians.

And a poll of citizens in England, France and Germany showed that a majority of the population in those countries supported the initiative.

On Thursday, the European Union's chief diplomat, Catherine Ashton, was in the Middle East with a different agenda than that of the Americans: to find a way for all E.U. nations to vote in a single bloc on a General Assembly resolution.

"The E.U. is trying to come up with language that they can live with that can dissuade [the Palestinians] from going to the Security Council, and to have them going to the General Assembly with language the majority of Europeans can agree on," said Marwan Muasher, the vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and a former Jordanian ambassador to Israel.

"What the U.S. is doing is trying to come up with an alternative that would dissuade the Palestinians from going to the U.N. at all."

Given the odds, not everyone is convinced that the extensive effort is in the best interests of the United States, especially if it risks alienating a country that prefers to play the role of moderator in these disputes.

"Whatever the outcome, the United States is guaranteed to be the real loser in all of this," Daniel Levy, a former peace negotiator now with the New America Foundation, wrote on Wednesday. "For domestic political reasons the Obama administration is committed to oppose any U.N. initiative not authorized by Israel and to cajole and convince other countries to do likewise. The United States will find itself isolated, blamed for its own vote and the 'no's' of others, weakening its Palestinian friends while frittering away further diplomatic capital, and all at such a delicate time in the Middle East."

Indeed, on the day of Rice's appearance in Washington, an op-ed in The New York Times by Saudi Prince Turki al-Faisal warned that if the U.S. opposed the statehood bid, it would jeopardize the “special relationship” between the two nations.

"The United States must support the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations this month or risk losing the little credibility it has in the Arab world," Faisal wrote. "If it does not, American influence will decline further, Israeli security will be undermined and Iran will be empowered, increasing the chances of another war in the region."

At the Monitor breakfast, Rice said the administration was opposing the vote because they did not believe it would contribute to peace negotiations.

"Is this going to strengthen the institution of an eventual Palestinian state, or potentially cause them to be set back further?" she asked rhetorically. "Is this going to create a better day for the people in Palestine, or just create a growing gap between expectations and reality?"

She went on, "What will happen when after whatever show we have in the U.N is done? What will change in the real world for the Palestinian people? The answer is nothing, sadly."

Critics, however, say all the diplomatic effort may not be worth the potential costs to America's credibility.

"The U.S. is having to expend such an extraordinary amount of political and diplomatic capital," said Matt Duss, an Israel policy expert at the Center for American Progress. "And it's not like we don't have more important things to deal with in the world than spending time to deflect pressure from the Israelis. You have to ask, 'How much energy is this really worth?'"

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Duc Tran
01:19 AM on 09/22/2011
What do we call the act of taking land and remove the native population from their homes? Ethnic cleansing
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Ferdinand Berkhof
10:11 AM on 09/22/2011
Or: "A Concise History of the USA".
09:01 PM on 09/26/2011
Except carving out a Jewish state in the heart of the arab world in the TWENTIETH century was an anachronistic act...done three centuries too late. The international community doesn't "do" colonial projects anymore just as slave labor is internationally prohibited.

Israeli historian Ilan Pappe has stated that the Zionists really pulled a fast one in that a narrative was promoted that the creation of Israel was some form of justice when, in fact, it was a simple case of a land grab and punishing Palestinians for the death camps in Europe. Writer AN Wilson calls the Zionist creation a result of "sloppy thinking" with tragic results.
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08:48 AM on 09/19/2011
we are all hamsters on neocon "financially engineered" and "financially innovated" wheels

"In a recent speech before the Jewish People Policy Institute (JPPI), Ambassador Daniel Shapiro clarified what drives US policies:

“The test of every policy the Administration develops in the Middle East is whether it is consistent with the goal of ensuring Israel’s future as a secure, Jewish, democratic state. That is a commitment that runs as a common thread through our entire government.”

Shapiro went on to say: “This test explains our extraordinary security cooperation, our stand against the delegitimization of Israel, our efforts on Iran, our response to the Arab Spring, and our efforts on Israeli-Palestinian peace.”

It also explains a factor in the downward slide in American prosperity and standing in the world."

http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/news/opinion-a-analysis/item/770-us-ambassador-support-for-israel-drives-all-us-policies

it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BEST INTEREST OF AMERICA!
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07:12 PM on 09/21/2011
Call yourself a hamster if you wish.

I am not one.

I live in flyby America where we have guns and bibles. We are not bitter, we just want to work. VP, Speaker of the House, and President came by this week looking for votes and support from us.

Maybe you would be happier somewhere else.
01:36 AM on 09/19/2011
Israel has been sitting at the table for years now, eager to resume negotiations with the PLO, without any preconditions, yet the PLO's head refuses to return to the table. Why?

Is it possible because the PLO knows that Israel, at the end of the process, will expect the PLO to accept Israel's right to be, to exist as the independent nation-state of the Jewish people along side an independent nation-state of the Palestinian people; and, because Israel, at the end of the process will demand that the PLO accept a peace treaty as the end of the conflict and the end of all future demands...??
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
08:48 AM on 09/19/2011
Accepting 1967 borders is acceptance of israel.

What Palestinians will never accept is endless occupation of their land.
10:17 AM on 09/19/2011
Indeed, because the Palestinians consider "occupation" the entire land mass between the River and the Sea, including the sovereign UN member state of Israel..., hence, no peace!!
10:05 AM on 09/19/2011
if this point is true, why does Israel continue to build settlements on land owned by Palestinians? some negotiating table that is.
10:20 AM on 09/19/2011
Israel doesn't build "settlements" on land belong to Palestinians. The territory in question is in dispute, to be resolved in direct negotiations, as has been agreed by Israel and the PLO as part of the Oslo Accords.

Furthermore, the housing built by Jews have been built on state owned land, not privately owned land.
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Don't Tread On Me
01:05 AM on 09/19/2011
Palestinian refugees will not become citizens of a new Palestinian state, according to Palestine’s ambassador to Lebanon.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/Sep-15/148791-interview-refugees-will-not-be-citizens-of-new-state.ashx#ixzz1YN76FDHw
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)
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Palspal2
08:13 PM on 09/20/2011
That is correct. Palestinian refugees have the right - enshrined in international law, and agreed to by Israel - to return to their homes and property now in Israel.
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Rachel Corrie is the greatest person since Lennon
03:43 PM on 09/18/2011
Does Susan Rice realise the effects of a worldwide boycott of US products in response to a veto against 99% of worldwide public opinion ?
08:35 PM on 09/17/2011
What exactly are the "real world consequences" of seeing through a statehood bid at the UN? How is it that such a bid would somehow cause the aspirations of the Palestinians to be "set back further"? The specifics of the U.S. (and Israeli) complaint against this move are never spelled out.
It's been almost two decades since Oslo, and the "facts on the ground" in that part of the world have only seen the screws turned ever tighter against the Palestinian people. The claims that the only solution is an ever-elusive negotiated agreement are resoundingly hollow.
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Scott Zwartz
06:53 PM on 09/17/2011
To a great extent, Americans fail to take responsibility where they anti-semitism leads them. By condoning terrorists attacks against Israelis and Jews, the US State department showed the Muslim world that terrorism worked. Blow up Jewish teenagers in a pizza parlor in Tel Aviv, and the world call for more Israeli concessions.

That terrorism then turn into terrorism against the US. Our embassies and the US Cole, but still the US State Dept did not seen terrorists murdering Jews as a reason to worry.

Then 9/11 hits and a decade later, everyone is still surprised. After five years of silent support for anti-Jewish terrorism, we could see that the same tactics were being turned against us. Yet, we saw no need to end anti-Jewish terrorism and many Americans still support terrorism against Jews.

The sole and only reason there is not presently a state named Palestine is that the Palestinians are still committed to murdering all the Jews they can find. People who support the recognition of a Palestinian State also legitimatizing the continuation of the Holocaust as Hamas proclaims as its objective.
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12:21 PM on 09/18/2011
Another hysteric.
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Rachel Corrie is the greatest person since Lennon
03:40 PM on 09/18/2011
USS Liberty

Rachel Corrie
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07:05 PM on 09/21/2011
Spindok's corollary to Godwin's law.

As any Israel related thread lengthens the probability of mention of the USS Liberty approaches 1.

Try it. It works.
09:07 PM on 09/26/2011
After the attack on the USS Liberty, Under Secretary of State George Ball declared that a lesson was learned...by the Israelis. They could kill Americans without consequences. It proved true for the murder of Rachel Corrie too.
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NamSpurs
04:35 PM on 09/17/2011
Shame! It sucks when the state dept employees have to question as to whom they actually work for?

And this is with Obama at the helm. With the GOP i shudder to think wht would have happened. At the very lease, we should abstain from voting.
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Better Late
08:47 PM on 09/17/2011
>>With the GOP i shudder to think wht would have happened.

You probably will be forced to convert to Judaism
04:24 PM on 09/17/2011
Well maybe in near fiture Israel will find the oil America needs when the Arabs finally close ranks in solidarity with their brothers and sisters in Palestine. Looking foreward or, would the USA find a way to let Israel down in an elegant way? Would for a change be good for America, that wisdom
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Better Late
08:50 PM on 09/17/2011
>>would the USA find a way to let Israel down in an elegant way?

by converting to Islam all together. Would be very elegant.
10:55 AM on 09/18/2011
No one needs to convert or, it must be to honesty. The USA measures with different instruments. The USA starts a war against a country that does noet respond to ONE resolution from the UN. Israel is allowed to ignore a few dozens of resolutions and the USA veto`s the rest since 1970. The USA is only requested to use ONE instrument for all measurement.
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nk5otr
09:35 PM on 09/17/2011
I guess solidarity does not extend to Arab countries granting full civil rights to Palestinians living in their countries or letting the Palestinians out of camps that they have been confined in for 63 years or so.
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Palspal2
08:25 PM on 09/20/2011
You say that, nk5otr, knowing that Israel would love to be let off the hook for the refugee situation they created.
04:16 PM on 09/17/2011
SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How obvious it becomes that we are in Israel's pocket...The last time I looked a preponderance of Israeli's believe in a Palestinian state....We should be ashamed!!!
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Vlady
Better Late
08:52 PM on 09/17/2011
>>W­e should be ashamed!!!

...of yourself
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nk5otr
09:36 PM on 09/17/2011
How does a tiny country around the world control the USA, one of the leaders of the free world? I don't understand.
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Palspal2
08:27 PM on 09/20/2011
With a dedicated team of wealthy and well-positioned Israel-Firsters that can move election money around to the satisfaction of Likud.
02:54 PM on 09/17/2011
Can the people of the USA elect (with next years election) the members of AIPAC ? This is needed for democracy since AIPAC rules the USA.
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nk5otr
09:37 PM on 09/17/2011
How does a small advocacy group that does not donate money to politicians rule the USA? I don't understand. Please explain.
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Palspal2
08:31 PM on 09/20/2011
It's the largest foreign advocacy group. Money goes where AIPAC points, and away from the opposition. At bottom however, it's the anti-Semitism charge that has politicos running scared. They still cower. This will change some day if J-street gets stronger. Then politicians, who really have no love for Israel when you get down to it, will have an option.
10:57 AM on 09/18/2011
you must be "the only stranger in Jerusalem". You are sooo strange I`ll probably fail to explain, sorry
02:50 PM on 09/17/2011
The President, who speaks nice words in a eloquent manner such as in his Egyptian speech, revealed himself a phony , and the Congress that appropriates vast amounts of money to Israel with alot of it coming back to the campaign coffers of those very politicians who authorized the transfer, thought that the United states and Israel could and did control the world. Now they have found out that history is passing them by and that both countries are becoming irrevelent as The Palestinians themselves declare and define the State of Palestine and the U.S. backed dictators like Mubarak who oppress their own people are overthrown, and countries like Turkey break all military ties with Israel. Like all empires America over-reached. Situations that can't last forever, don't. The oppressed will eventually rise up against their oppressors.
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nk5otr
09:41 PM on 09/17/2011
Where is the evidence that aid to Israel goes to the campaign coffers of Congress? Please provide. Thank you.
10:01 AM on 09/19/2011
AIPAC, the israeli lobby in america has contributed close to $60 million in the last couple decades to members of congress. During their last holiday break 2 weeks ago, something like 40% of congressmen were vacationing in Israel.
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Palspal2
08:32 PM on 09/20/2011
I'm with you afton. Let's hope so.
12:23 PM on 09/17/2011
When I watch the US and Israel talk about negotiation being the only way for a two state solution, it makes me throw up, even the US doesn't really believe that Israel is serious about negotiation. To the Israelis' meaning of negotiation is just more time to swallow up more land with the facts on the ground ( Sharron's words for settlements), The US is more guilty then Israel, it turns a blind eye to this injustice ( because the US leadership is hostage to the jewish lobby), so Israel thinks it has carte blanche to do what it will against an innocent population under the guise of security.
The US will of course show this hypocrisy to the world not just to the populations of the middle east , but also the Western world that it preaches to constantly about freedom and human rights for everyone in the world, until it has to do with its relationship with Israel and Israel's injustice to the Palestinians and then it just vetoes any actions by the UN and will of course claim anti-Semitism as its reasons for doing so.
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nk5otr
09:44 PM on 09/17/2011
If a politician supports Israel before running for office, and the constituents of that politician overwhelmingly support Israel, as polls consistently show Americans are, where is the evidence that the US leadership is "hostage to the jewish lobby"?
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10:37 AM on 09/17/2011
Jordan controlled the West Bank and much of the city of Jerusalem for 20 years from 1948 - 1967. Jordan could have created a Palestinian state in any of those two decades. They didn't. The Palestinians didn't protest. Why? Because they already had a Palestinian state - the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
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Better Late
08:54 PM on 09/17/2011
That's exactly right. F&F
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nk5otr
10:01 PM on 09/17/2011
The goal of the PLO in its formation in 1964 was not to establish a state in the West Bank then controlled by Jordan, or a state in Gaza then controlled by Egypt, but to destroy Israel. It is doubtful these goals have changed to this day, but the tactics have.

The Palestine National Charter of 1964 stated:

Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial fields.
10:03 AM on 09/19/2011
Odd point, considering everyday realities on the ground suggest that Israel is out to destroy and eat up ALL of Palestine, as it now sits on 84% of pre-1948 Palestine, occupies the remaining 16% and is eating up portions of that 16% everyday with those damn settlements.
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10:35 AM on 09/17/2011
Meanwhile life goes on.

Positive aspects of life in Israel go unnoticed in these articles and endless debates. Just in todays news.

- The nude photo shoot at the Dead Sea by artist Spencer Tunick was completed yesterday with 1200 participants. The Israeli supreme court upheld the right to free artistic expression despite objections by the regional council. The artwork will help draw attention and support efforts to preserve this unique natural wonder.

- Israel was accepted as a full associate member in the European physics research consortium at CERN despite objections from boycotters. Notable in the decision was the cooperation of Israeli scientists working together with Palestinian counterparts and the notable contribution of Israeli researchers in the field of particle physics.

Problem is people become so focused on negativity that we do not stop to consider what is of real benefit to both Israelis and Palestinians. There are concrete steps that need to be taken so that a Palestinian state will succeed. This cannot be done with symbolic UN votes. To vote for statehood before Palestinians have a functional elected government is madness.
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Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
01:15 PM on 09/17/2011
None of your pro-israel boasts bring the Palestinians any closer to ridding israeli occupiers from their land and closer to independence. Your boasts are also woefully off-topic and irrelevant to this article and comment thread.
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03:11 PM on 09/18/2011
It does relate to the article but not in ways that score debate points.

I am all for a Palestinian state. The real issues are not about what the UN says or whom has what historical claim. A state is not a person, it is not a family or a career. A state can give you Somalia or Switzerland, or any number of other outcomes.

The first news item I brought up relates to civil liberty and the role of a judicial system in upholding those liberties even if unpopular. It also relates to the shared environmental issues in the region.

The second relates to education, science, and economic opportunity that results when people can work together above political consideration.

This small, new nation of Palestine is going to happen and should. It risks failure if the enterprise only results in more conflict and little benefit to the people who live there.
07:03 PM on 09/17/2011
You forgot one my friend, a very positive development in 2011 in the only mid east democracy.
1. Israeli high court gives permission to Israeli arab couple (born in Israel) to build a home in a predominantly Jewish area after a 5 year battle with the local authorities who had deemed them not to be compatible with the locals.
This was the Jim Crow argument 50 years ago in the USA and apartheid SA used to deny people basic human rights. Israel is late to the party, but I remain hopeful that this is the beginning of a recognition that ALL peoples deserve a modicum of dignity, even if they are a minority in the true democracy in the mideast.