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Chuck Schumer: Buffett Rule Should Be Brought To A Vote

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First Posted: 09/19/11 02:20 PM ET Updated: 11/19/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's decision to endorse the tax reform principle that millionaires should pay more than the middle class is a begrudging tip of the hat to his party's most astutely political member: Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.).

Schumer previously pushed a variation of the so-called Buffett rule -- named after famed investor Warren Buffett -- as an alternative to allowing the Bush tax cuts for high-end earners (those making more than $200,000 individually or $250,000 as a family) to expire. But his gambit was ultimately defeated on the Senate floor, with the Obama administration among others shunning it as symbolic, if not losing, politics.

"His advice was to fight until February and then cut a deal, so we could score some points against the Republicans," a senior administration official said at the time. "It just didn't make sense."

Schumer's support for a millionaires' tax hike may have been driven by the fact that, in New York, those making $250,000 a year don't necessarily qualify as upper class. But still, the idea seems to tap into the populist zeitgeist seized on by the Democratic Party. And with the White House now embracing the concept (at least in theory), it seems the senator has won out.

"This is a game changer in the tax debate," Schumer said during a conference call on Monday. "It will make the Republican position almost indefensible. The president has a winning hand, and he is going all in. And I believe Democrats will be behind him. ... Just about every Democrat will be behind him."

Later in the conference call, Schumer said he would like to see the Buffett rule actually drafted into legislative language, scored for budget effect and put to a vote. Considering that the Democratic Party lacks the Senate members to overcome a filibuster or, in all likelihood, the discipline to secure all the Democratic votes, that seems far-fetched, although Schumer urged the president to barnstorm the country to whip up support.

"I find it very useful to make some proposal along the line that fits within the confines of the Buffett rule and put it on the floor. ... Once the president goes around the country and keeps talking about it, as I believe he will do, we are going to win this fight," Schumer said.

The concept of the Buffett rule would be moot if the president, as is his want, could secure the lapse of the Bush tax cuts (which makes the White House's embrace of the millionaire principle seem all the more symbolic). But good politics is good politics, Hill sources said, arguing that it is better and cleaner to draw the dividing line between the wealthy and the middle class at $1 million rather than $250,000. And for that reason alone, Schumer may get his way on a vote.

"This is a winning fight," said one congressional Democratic aide. "It never quite made sense that some didn't want to wage it last December, but better late than never."

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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's decision to endorse the tax reform principle that millionaires should pay more than the middle class is a begrudging tip of the hat to his party's most astutely ...
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's decision to endorse the tax reform principle that millionaires should pay more than the middle class is a begrudging tip of the hat to his party's most astutely ...
 
 
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Dosadi 08:10 PM on 09/19/2011
Bagger quiz.

Why did Ben Franklin send this?\
Why doesn't it agree with what you believe?



All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have  Read More...
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bjhmger
08:15 AM on 09/25/2011
NY Post did an analysis of income tax payments. Highest earners already pay highest percentage of taxes. Duh! Tax corporations and you get less jobs. Can we simply require employers to hire in the USA. Every call center is in India. If we want call centers to have people who we can not understand....then just hire people in Tennessee...LOL.
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01:20 PM on 09/22/2011
I hope everyone knows that although Schumer is pretending to support the 'Buffett Rule' now. He has voted against raising the 15% tax rate on Hedge Fund Managers as recently as this year - as has John Kerry. His support is fake. He is a two faced sellout to Wall Street. He is a perfect example of why I switched my party affiliation from Democrat to Independent.

I believe that he and those like him are why the Dems lost seats in 2010. Sen. Schumer represents everything that is wrong with the Democratic party and this country. In my opinion Obama is no different which is why if I bother to vote at all in 2012 I will be writing in Elizabeth Warren for President.
04:40 PM on 09/21/2011
Classic hypocrisy from Sen. Schumer. "Tax the rich, but give my constituents a break." http://bit.ly/omqqsp
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smburwick
04:39 PM on 09/21/2011
Yannos B from yesterday. Keep your remarks to yourself. Your oxygen level is being affected by koolaid.
02:11 PM on 09/21/2011
Schmuck Chumer never saw a tax he didn't vote for.
06:02 PM on 09/20/2011
$999,999/year is middle-class? Wow, on what planet?
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rotinfx16
01:52 PM on 09/20/2011
This tax is all B/S. Anything that comes out of Schumer and /or Obama, is political gamesmanship. If I were that wealthy, I would look into putting all my income into a corporation domesticated in an over seas location. Lotsa luck on taxing that.
Just as N Y S has lost a kings ransom in cigarette taxes to the black market, the U S will lose a fortune in needed revenue through this. They will then turn to the little guy to make it up.
Face it, my liberal friends, you must first have a budget in order to live within it. Why don't you have Obama submit a budget, before you start trying allocate funds.
Do you think he should be saying exactly what a fair share is? He won't, because no 1st year law student is dumb enough to memorialize anything that can come back to bite him/her.
We only have a few more months to put up with this moron so lets not allow him to do any further damage. Whether you win the Presidential election or we do, the country can begin healing.
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KrazyJay
08:54 PM on 09/20/2011
Since you hate your country so much that you wouldn't keep your money in it, why don't you go ahead and do your country a favor now by leaving?
02:33 PM on 09/21/2011
So every athelete, musician and actor with homes overseas should leave too? Why should this guy leave when our own president's wife said this was the FIRST time she was EVER proud of America?
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rotinfx16
06:20 PM on 09/21/2011
Liberal? That would explain the inability to understand the written word. Just passed you through, did they? Take heart, many libraries offer remedial reading classes for the functionally illiterate. Golden books even has little books that attempt to explain our government, and they have pretty pictures. Maybe after finger painting class you can get an adult to take you to the library.
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ennis438
01:28 PM on 09/20/2011
Whether it is the Buffett Rule or some other rule, the fat cats must pay their share of this deficit. Since the Reagan disaster, the middle class have been losing the Republirat war declared on them by the right wing pigs. I sure hope Obama is serious and does not give in to the enemy again, like he has done in almost every other situation so far in his presidency.
10:36 AM on 09/20/2011
Got to thinking about this new rule and remembered that buffett makes all of his money from his capital gains! So does this mean that they are going to raise the capital gains tax? And the highest tax bracket is 38%, so if they raise it, will they raise it to 40%? If they do, that means that EVERYONE that is invested in the stock market through their retirement plans will then be taxed 40% on all profits made in the market!!! And if that's the case, I'd rather take my money and be able to do something else with it!! I don't know, maybe obama needs to give us some more details on this buffett rule, what it is and how its going to work!!
11:34 AM on 09/20/2011
No you are wrong. Retirement income is taxed as you withdraw funds from your IRA. The tax is based on the annual amount of withdrawal.If it is a Roth IRA, it is not taxed at all, you have already paid the tax. Since no rate has been determined, it is clear you are only fear mongering.
11:02 PM on 09/20/2011
Depends how much you withdraw...don't get all excited that your money will be in your IRA at the level you need to retire. Just look at the market over the last 90 days. I believe we have added another 2 to 3 years of work life. The market confidence is at an all time low due to our countries spending habits. Europe is full of problems and have several issues to sort out in the short term. Our world economy will become a bigger problem over the next 3 years. Those are big strokes but look close and you will be able to sort the underlying conditions and make the right market choices.
10:12 AM on 09/20/2011
Nothing stops these politicians from sending extra money to the Federal goverment .
The vast majority of these Senators are Millionaires, including Obama and Biden .I am sure they could afford sendindg an additional 10% of their salary after taxes .The President should be able to send more . I believe he and his family have no living expenses .
To show you how much these politicians have put us in the hole, we could take all their wealth, and it would not make much of a dent in our debt, yet we continue to elect them to office .
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wrascil
04:45 PM on 09/20/2011
a fun fact for you... after completion of his term, the president will pay NO income tax for life as a benefit for service... if you can call world travel on the TAX-PAYERS DIME service...
So anything about him alleging that he will pay is just more lip service until he makes a presidential proclamation and even then it constitutionally would not likely effect former presidents already receiving said benefit
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07:19 PM on 09/20/2011
Baloney.
09:55 AM on 09/20/2011
Those of you who defend the wealthy, and their almost free ride, are either drugged or paid.
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smburwick
09:57 AM on 09/20/2011
I don't care if the wealthy pay more, but aren't the Bush taxes expiring soon? My problem is if Obama will use the money to fund his miscreants or do the right thing.
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clifcourt
09:43 AM on 09/20/2011
Why do you Libs keep using the word Fair? Life is not fair & no amount of legislation will ever make it fair! Fair would be everybody paying a flat sales tax on everything purchased. That way you actually pay more if you buy more. It would stop all tax cheating. Drug trafficers, hookers, & all other criminals would be taxed.
08:48 AM on 09/20/2011
Buffet is as where I come from full of it. He comes out with the statement that he pays less than his Secretary, but leaves out the fact he pay Capital Gains Tax, and his Secretary pays income tax, which is a higher rate. Please don't go into sales tax, gas tax state tax,city tax, everyone pays those taxes, even millionaire's. So is there a camera around Schumer jumps on this like a dog on a bone, and if you can't figure it out, Class Warefare, and trying to get the base calm. Why not purpose a Flat Tax, fair to all and a national sales tax, fair to all, why not, simple, it has been since the beginning of Obama term, to idea of Re-Distribution of Weath, and those type of taxes would not accomplish those goals!
09:54 AM on 09/20/2011
He said his tax RATE is less than hers.
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smburwick
09:58 AM on 09/20/2011
Read about this tax thing. Of course he does because he is not issue a payroll check weekly,
11:41 AM on 09/20/2011
You point out a important issue. What benefit is there to charging a lower rate on capital gains? Answer - NONE. Income is income and should all be taxed as such. The idea of 'double taxation' of capital gains is a red herring that has no merit. Investors will invest no matter if they pay income tax rates or capital gains rates. In fact, very little investment income is from new business or business expansion, it is from speculation that contributes nothing to the economy.
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07:23 PM on 09/20/2011
Exactly. The capital gains tax is a tax on just that - the gains. It's the new income that was made, and it does not re-tax the initial investment "basis."
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ogbobbye1pcer
Don't cheat yourself
08:47 AM on 09/20/2011
I am starting to think most of the voting public is insane we keep electing the same people and expecting different results!
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karaokekoncerts
08:27 AM on 09/20/2011
Isn't it odd that in almost every decade since the 1920's, this song resounds:

In the winter
In the summer
Don't we have fun
Times are bum and getting bummer
Still we have fun
There's nothing surer
The rich get rich and the poor get poorer
In the meantime
In between time
Ain't we got fun

Yeah... we got fun for sure.... >sigh
09:13 AM on 09/20/2011
Actually America is chock full of examples of people starting with nothing and ending up rich. What other country can say that? That's right none. Economic opportunity brought to you by Capitalism not Socialism. Look at history and you will see Capitalism beats Socialism every time. Every time. Every time.
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sociocanuck
Red Tory mind / Progressive voting history
11:48 AM on 09/20/2011
Just because you can say it doesn't make it true - especially that 'that's right none' line. Are you actually aware of how many self-made millionaires/billionaires are from countries in Europe that can be defined as Social Welfare states (never mind your 'socialist' boogeyman)? Can you definitively say 'none'?

Will you try to squirm your way out through some abuse of language when you're proven wrong when taken at your word?
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karaokekoncerts
10:43 PM on 09/21/2011
Really??? No other country? Wrong. I have relatives overseas who have done just fine in other countries. Don't be such a putz.