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PBS 'Not In Our Town' Documentary: Hate Crime Debate Still Simmers

First Posted: 09/19/11 05:20 PM ET Updated: 11/19/11 05:12 AM ET

By Frank Eltman, Associated Press

PATCHOGUE, N.Y. -- Library assistant Gilda Ramos says she was stunned the first time Hispanics in her English language class told her that many had been victims of attacks and robberies by marauding gangs of teenagers. "Walking ATMs," is how she describes the workers, who often were robbed on Friday or Saturday night after getting paid from jobs such as dishwashing, construction or landscaping.

The revelation came just days before the fatal stabbing of Ecuadorean immigrant Marcelo Lucero in November 2008, only a block or so from the library where Ramos teaches. His attackers later told a judge that targeting Hispanics was something they did for kicks; confident their victims wouldn't call police because they feared questions about their immigration status, or that their complaints would be disregarded.

Seven high school pals are now in prison; the teen who inflicted the fatal blow is serving 25 years. A new PBS documentary portrays efforts by community leaders to put the killing in the past. However, a letter last week to county leaders from the U.S. Justice Department, which began a probe of police policy after the killing, indicates much still needs to be done.

The 28-page missive to Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy from the department's Civil Rights Division lists recommendations for improving hate crime investigations and cites vague policies and procedures that preceded Lucero's killing. Michael Goldberger, the chief of the Civil Rights Division in the department's Brooklyn office, said these were just preliminary recommendations; a final report is pending.

The recommendations included making it easier for people to register complaints about the police by placing notices in libraries and other public places, better community outreach and improved communication to officers on the beat. The letter cited some confusion over interpreting what a hate crime is.

"Officers need to be informed clearly that youths are capable of committing hate crimes," the letter says. "The tendency to brush off attacks as `just kids being kids' fails to recognize the severity of criminal conduct in which minors may engage, as seen from the murder of Marcelo Lucero."

Levy, a staunch critic of illegal immigration and the target of disdain by Hispanic advocates, said in a statement that some recommendations are constructive and will be implemented. An aide noted, for instance, that Levy supports better tracking and classification of "youth disturbances."

"Many others we are already doing and some we disagree with," Levy said of the recommendations.

The Rev. Allan Ramirez, a longtime Levy critic, was dubious. "This report confirms what all of us, community leaders, immigrant advocates, have been saying throughout the years," he said. "We could have saved the Department of Justice a lot of money and a lot of time because we knew all of this already a long time ago."

The PBS documentary "Not In Our Town: Light In The Darkness," airs Wednesday night. Narrated by Academy Award-nominee Alfre Woodard, it chronicles the events that led up to Lucero's killing on a November night near the Patchogue train station. The film follows the court proceedings against the teens – six of the seven pleaded guilty – and reports on efforts made by community leaders to stem anti-immigrant violence.

The hour-long documentary also will be shown in 150 communities across the country and used as a tool to discuss anti-immigrant violence. That initiative is led by Not In Our Town, an organization started in 1995 to highlight stories of communities taking positive action to fight intolerance.

Ramos believes conditions in her Patchogue have improved, and she hopes the documentary will spark further discussions.

"Latinos feel now that they have rights, that they have a voice, they can express their concerns," she said. "They can come to the library, they can go to the precinct and report a crime or do something about a situation that years ago they felt they were not entitled."

She said other changes are evident on the streets of Patchogue, about 60 miles east of New York City.

"There's more civic participation of Latinos. They walk the streets proudly. Before, you could see they would walk in groups because they were afraid something would happen to them. They're feeling way safer, and they feel they have a voice and they can express themselves."

Not all agree.

Joselo Lucero, the victim's brother who has become an advocate for Hispanics, said he moved from the Patchogue area several months ago after becoming involved in a street dispute with people yelling anti-Hispanic epithets, but he did not want to elaborate. He said it was unlikely the people hurling insults knew who he was.

"We have to find some way to create trust in the police department because for many years they are failures," he said. "My brother's name is going to be everywhere, every time. He's going to be a legacy in this community for change."

Suffolk Deputy Police Chief Christopher Bergold said that since Lucero's killing, the police department has worked to improve hate crime awareness training. He said all officers are now required to take an eight-hour refresher course on hate crimes annually at the police academy. In addition to deploying Spanish-speaking officers in Patchogue and elsewhere, all officers have access to Spanish-language interpreters who are available via cell phones, he said.

Police also contend they do not ask crime victims about their immigration status.

"We go to great lengths to respond to hate crime and anti-bias incidents, and we have gone to great lengths to build bridges with the Latino community," Bergold said "We want to make sure no person feels uncomfortable coming to the police."

Patchogue Village Mayor Paul Pontieri concedes that until Lucero's killing, he was unaware that the attacks had been happening in his community. He said he now speaks regularly with Hispanic business owners and is confident that the hate crimes are no longer an issue.

"We worked hard to lessen the anger, to lessen the rhetoric," he said. "The community had every reason on both sides to strike out, and they never did. I don't think there was ever anger or shame. It was like a disappointment. We were disappointed it happened in a place we all love."

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05:46 PM on 09/23/2011
Drug dealers get robbed and murdered all the time for the same reason. If they immigrated here legally, this would not be a problem.
11:33 PM on 09/22/2011
When is PBS gonna talk about this one:

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03:19 AM on 09/22/2011
There are people from many countrys and yes hispanics also that have green cards and want to be US citizens why not let them in 1st they have been waiting many many years its not fair too them.
02:20 AM on 09/22/2011
Mayor Pontieri:"We Are All Immigrants"
Yes, Mayor Pontieri, We are all LEGAL immigrants, not ILLEGAL immigrants. And we all learned to speak English, (the Italians, Jews, Irish and other groups), not expecting to be spoken to in our mother languages. Perhaps that expectation leads to problems now. I certainly do not condone hate crimes, that are the worst kind of crimes,and we definitely need to teach tolerance, but we also are entitled to expect that our laws will be followed and entering this country illegally is breaking our laws. Having said all this, the murder of this young man was horrendous and the murderers needed to be punished.
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03:50 AM on 09/24/2011
really, there are no Italians, jews and other groups here that do not speak English? you need to leave your house a bit often, or perhaps talk to your grandmother.
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04:26 PM on 09/21/2011
The Irish, Italian, and Jews were treated exactly the same way a century ago. The nationality of the victims have changed.
03:57 AM on 09/24/2011
A century ago? it was much less than that. I believe in the 50's there were still anti-irish signs posted around. There is still a lot of negative stereotypes about all three of those groups. I find it disgusting when any group that has faced discrimination has the audacity to discriminated against others.
03:55 PM on 09/21/2011
Wow...everyones comments seem to be about something other then the murder of this poor man. Murder is wrong regardless of who the victim is. And teens are just totally out of control everywhere in this country.How do children get to be so hate filled that they murder? And the only reason they chose a latino victims is because they thought the police wouldn't be called? Are Americas children so stupid that they think they can murder someone and no police will be involved. Where are these boy's parents while they are out terrorizing innocent hardworking people?To many parents in this country allow their children free reign.... and do not know what they are doing. More parents need to involve themselves in the activities of their teens...check up on them...even spy on them. I know most will say my child would never....I wonder of these boys, whose parents would have said that? Wake up America...your kids are learning this criminal behavior somewhere and you need to correct it.If they didn't have what they percieved to be illegals to pick it would have been an American....so it doesn't matter rather or not this person was documented...he was still a good person, trying to earn a living and had a family who loved him. I'm just sayin!!!
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11:13 AM on 09/21/2011
Hate crimes as opposed to what? Love crimes?
05:47 PM on 09/23/2011
exactly. Hate is an emotion, are we really going to start criminalizing feelings now?
10:32 AM on 09/21/2011
I think that if the U.S. said they were tying their treatment of illegals in this country to the treatment of illegals entering Mexico from Central America, things would be very different right now.

If you come to this country illegally, you have already broken the law.

If you have a fake SSN you have committed a felony.

You need to be deported.


It really IS that simple.
12:51 PM on 09/21/2011
So you're saying that any Latino should be murdered because they might have a fake SSN?

Why else would you be talking about that here?
02:22 PM on 09/21/2011
Just think.

If they obeyed the law and weren't here, none of this would happen to them.
06:25 PM on 09/21/2011
You are either completely simple minded or were deprived of the benefit of a completed BA degree. And I see 64 more simpletons are your fans....
02:38 PM on 09/21/2011
You cannot talk about our president like that, I know he has a valid SSN # , He said so. And by the way, where he was born is none of your business..............
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04:38 PM on 09/20/2011
Robbing Hispanics? You see this. These contemptable actions are often held in comparison to someone who merely advocats assimiliation.
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11:13 PM on 09/20/2011
Reflexive actions of the same xenophobic mindset.
03:30 PM on 09/21/2011
Illegals rob Americans every day of their life. Our tax dollars are paying for them.
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04:11 PM on 09/21/2011
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04:23 PM on 09/21/2011
Not true.
04:06 PM on 09/20/2011
I doubt PBS would do such a thing if it were Hispanics going after other Hispanics. It wouldn't be PC enough for La Raza.
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11:24 AM on 09/21/2011
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/08/local/la-me-0608-azusa-gang-20110608 So where is the outrage here on these threads on hate crimes being commited against Americans on a regular bases by these gangs? Having lived in LA I know it is and has been an ongoing problem for some time, but I haven't seen even a hint here.
04:09 AM on 09/24/2011
No where in that article does it says that the gang members are undocumented immigrants, which leads me to believe that you are an uneducated racist that things that everyone that's Latino is an illegal immigrant. If you lived in LA, Los Angeles, you should had learned that the whole south-west was conquered by the Spaniards, i.e. Mexicans. Latinos were there before whites or any other ethnic group.
03:59 PM on 09/20/2011
Americans have no problem with legal immigrants, we are NOT anti immigration; however illegal immigration is law-breaking and if we as citizens have to follow laws, so go immigrants.
12:57 PM on 09/21/2011
That could be convincing if you could tell the difference between legal & illegal. I haven't seen anybody here who does. Certainly the subjects of the article couldn't.

So what? Simple. You don't assume a murder victim brought it on himself by being illegal.
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Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
02:54 PM on 09/21/2011
Then call the Associated Press, and complain to them that they wrote "Ecuadorean immigrant" and "immigration status" and "Levy, a staunch critic of illegal immigration" into this article.

If you cannot do that, then we know the kind of person you are.
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03:44 PM on 09/20/2011
The only reason why a story such as this makes news is because it doesn't happen all that often.

Hey HP! Why don't you report on the families that are victims of Mexican gang violence in South Central LA? It happens ever day!
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09:09 PM on 09/21/2011
How about attempted genocide? You can always find a source that agrees with your opinion.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/latino-gang-charged-racial-cleansing-california-town/story?id=13794815
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11:44 AM on 09/21/2011
I tried to post stories from the LA Times but they don't seem to come uo for some reason. I wonder why?
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12:17 PM on 09/21/2011
Hey buddy! :)
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03:33 PM on 09/20/2011
Arent all crimes hate crimes? Very few are done out of "love". I would hate to think if I got stabbed for my money it would be held as a lesser crime because I am white and a citizen. How backwards of a country where citizens are somehow less a person! Also if so many people werent taking criminal methods to live here (and yes it is criminal if it's against the law), there wouldnt be this particular crime. So now that the criminals were vicimized, suddenly it's up to the public citizens to step in to help them? Now I am sure somone will come along and bash me for saying all this and the truth remains Latino does not equal illegal but in these times illegal does often equal Latino. You can't begin to fix problems you refuse to acknoledge exist. My heart goes out to the Latino's who took the pains to come here under the lawful methods like every group before them. All others just make everyone else look bad and deserve what they get. Now cue the brainless zombies who will rebut with simply crying out "racist".
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03:24 PM on 09/20/2011
Well, let's see here, if the immigrants came here, but the COMPANIES THAT HIRED THEM didn't hire them, and hired citizens instead, the immigrants wouldn't come here as they would be unable to get a job. Blame the companies, not the people who are trying to live their own lives and get what they can out of it. These companies profit off of illegals which they can pay less than the minimum wage to (the immigrants are scared they'll be deported if they notify anyone). They are desperate for better wages and a better life so they come here, only to be paid less than the minimum wage. It is corporations that are enabling this influx of immigrants, and lobby against any regulation that would protect those who notify the government about hiring illegals/ immigrants being paid less than normal and when they get investigated, the media should focus and place the blame, NOT on the person, but on the company who is exploiting a worker, breaking the law by hiring an illegal and paying less than minimum wage, and costing someone who is employed a job.
03:59 PM on 09/20/2011
It takes two to tango.