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DADT Re-Enlistment: Discharged Troops Face Difficulty Rejoining Military

First Posted: 09/21/11 04:36 PM ET Updated: 11/21/11 05:12 AM ET

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Gays celebrate the end of DADT

WASHINGTON -- Tuesday's parties celebrating the end of "don't ask, don't tell" are giving way to a morning-after reality: gays who left the military because of the policy may have a tough time getting back in.

Despite headlines about hundreds of discharged service members flocking to recruiting stations to re-enlist, most are unlikely to get their old jobs back.

Some discharged in the early years of the policy, which began in late 1993, are too old. Others are out of shape and won't pass the physical. But even the young and fit may find there aren't any openings.

"Successful recruiting and high retention rates, along with military force reductions, have lowered the number of positions available not only to first-time recruits, but also for prior-service members wishing to return to service," said Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez.

Those discharged under DADT "will be evaluated according to the same criteria and service requirements applicable to all prior service members seeking re-entry into the military," she said.

In other words: gays and lesbians will have to get in line with other civilians who are looking to join the military -- an institution many Americans already consider a haven in a time of 9 percent unemployment.

To be sure, many of the nearly 14,000 troops ousted under the policy -- and an untold number of others who left voluntarily because they were tired of lying about their private lives -- have moved on. But for those eager to return to the ranks, the awful economy, the drawing down of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and debt-induced Pentagon budget cuts all mean long waiting lists.

Lainez said traditionally the military services have turned to prior-service veterans to address current or projected personnel shortfalls they are unable to fill with new recruits. Yet ever since the economy crashed in 2008, the Pentagon has had no trouble recruiting and retaining troops and the number of specialties left unfilled has been "greatly reduced, which in turn reduces the number of opportunities for those wishing to return to duty," she said.

While the number of gay veterans turned down for re-enlistment isn't available, Stars and Stripes recently reported a typical situation involving a former sailor. Discharged under DADT, he sought his old job back as a mass communications specialist only to be told that position was overstaffed by 104 percent.

Prior-service troops historically represent about 5 percent of active-duty enlisted recruits. In 2007, at the height of the Iraq war troop surge, they made up 8 percent. But last year, according to Defense Department statistics, prior service recruits accounted for just 3 percent of newly enlisted active-duty members.

While some with critical skills such as prominent activist Dan Choi, an Arab linguist ousted for being gay, may have an easier time returning, others may have to find a new line of work.

"Each service can provide more information on its current waiting lists" for specific jobs, Lainez said. "I would encourage any prior service member who wants to return to contact a recruiter -- they can discuss what skills are in high demand."

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WASHINGTON -- Tuesday's parties celebrating the end of "don't ask, don't tell" are giving way to a morning-after reality: gays who left the military because of the policy may have a tough time getting...
WASHINGTON -- Tuesday's parties celebrating the end of "don't ask, don't tell" are giving way to a morning-after reality: gays who left the military because of the policy may have a tough time getting...
 
 
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SteveDenver
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08:53 AM on 10/11/2011
How about reducing military costs AND hiring many more soldiers -- gay and non-gay -- by doing away with Military Contractors, many of whom are paid 3-to-10 times what soldiers receive for such mundane tasks as cafeteria, patrols, reconstruction and policing?
09:18 AM on 09/22/2011
Basically this story is evidence that the court cases challenging DADT as unconstitutional are not mooted by the repeal of the DADT law, as those damaged by the illegality are not being made whole by the government.
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bridgesandballoons
09:13 AM on 09/22/2011
Don't care. Wake me when we're fighting for something a little less reprehensible than inclusion into the military.
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SteveDenver
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08:54 AM on 10/11/2011
Somebody bring me a wet pillow...
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09:18 AM on 10/11/2011
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bradenton
09:03 AM on 09/22/2011
The DOD should be sued for reinstatement by the hundreds of thousands of veterans that were wrongfully discharged. That will teach the homophobic leaders of the military that they have a price to pay for hatred and discrimination. Not to mention those soldiers and sailors that were beaten to death in the line of duty for being Gay. A dark time in our nation's history.
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Donns
08:03 AM on 09/22/2011
A lot of talent was surely lost and a lot of training dollars wasted over this basic non issue. However, once the euphoria dies down from people thinking they won some sort of victory over established stupidity, the reality will come home to roost. The reality is that you can never win against outdated thinking and extreme prejudice. I think that those who thought they won something will find that the whole situation was a staged event for public consumption and not much has actually changed.
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JoePesci
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07:22 AM on 09/22/2011
How about the fine men and women who served since WWII and were discharged? Can we see some sort of clemency? have their DisHonorable discharges reversed? Will they have to wait as long as Galileo for their pardons?
09:33 AM on 09/22/2011
Most that were discharged under the policy did not get dishonorable discharged, they received general discharges. Dishonorable discharges can only be awarded by court martial so if they got one there is more to the story than just being gay.
I have known more people get bad conduct and dishonorable discharges for adultery than homosexual conduct. Most of those I know that were court martialed for adultery were swingers whose spouse did not have any problem with what they were doing. It was just that the command found out about it and did not like what they were doing.
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JoePesci
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06:51 AM on 09/23/2011
thanks for the clarification. you make an excellent point. All of our brave Volunteer heroes should be judged by their actions behind enemy lines instead of between friendly sheets. I have heard about Fraternization based discharges as well, just didn't realize it was rampant. I respect your service, and I'm a firm believer that those who were fighting for a little Peace, deserve a little Piece of what they were fighting for
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SteveDenver
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08:56 AM on 10/11/2011
And at least extension of benefits they would have earned: medical, pension, funeral
06:55 AM on 09/22/2011
Give it a rest.
On and on and on...........................................
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gaydood
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08:59 AM on 09/22/2011
yes end doma now too !!

Support out Gay Troops !!!
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SteveDenver
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08:56 AM on 10/11/2011
Aw fukkit, I can only FAN you once.
06:30 AM on 09/22/2011
Sorry, they were discharged under the rules as they were... NO Do-overs....

If the military were to legalize pot today, should those who were discharged for previously breaking the law be reinstated? The answer is no....
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SpreadthePanic
12:54 PM on 09/22/2011
Violating a substance abuse rule is considered a deliberate and wilful misconduct. It is a behavior.

Being homosexual is not a behavior (although there are behaviors associated with it, you didn't have to engage in any of them to be discharged).

This is a poor analogy. There is no legitimate reason to prevent these men and women from serving other than a lack of need.
06:47 PM on 09/22/2011
Violating DADT as LT Cho did on Maddow's show was "deliberate and wilful [sic]"..
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SteveDenver
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08:58 AM on 10/11/2011
NO Do-overs... even in this case where DADT was ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL?
You're so firm, now if only you could get the mental component going, you'd be the whole package.
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05:38 AM on 09/22/2011
Listen to the little heads popping...
02:41 AM on 09/22/2011
Reenlistment is a pain at every conceivable level. I was given an entry-level separation earlier in the year for a ridiculous reason and have been having tremendous difficulty getting back in. (I may actually have better luck commissioning through the ROTC than actually reenlisting, at this point.) It is a shame that men and women who were discharged under DADT are encountering these same sorts of problems.

The best advise I can offer anyone trying to reenlist right now is to seek out recruiters in towns with smaller populations. The recruiters are in a better position to work towards pursuing the necessary waivers, etc.
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01:27 AM on 09/22/2011
I didn't even bother getting up this morning, knowing for sure that the world would end once DADT was stopped. I guess I'll have to wait until gay marriage equality becomes the law of the land before I can fully expect the world to end. Oh and it will, just ask the republicans,
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Heidland
I like all things pie-ish. Oh, and cake.
01:18 AM on 09/22/2011
Those released from service because of DADT should have the option to be reinstated to their original rank, station, and paid back-pay.

It won't happen, but it should.
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ramal
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12:46 AM on 09/22/2011
This is America, unless you are rich and a Republican, you have no rights.
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01:30 AM on 09/22/2011
I think merely rich does it. Bank balance trumps political affiliation.
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12:43 AM on 09/22/2011
So, soldiers are no longer being stop-lossed and forced to return to active duty in the Middle-East again and again even when they are are suffering from PTSD?