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United Nations General Assembly 2011: Obama Pressures Palestinians To End Bid

BEN FELLER and TAREK EL-TABLAWY   09/21/11 10:41 PM ET   AP

UNITED NATIONS — Furiously scrambling to head off a U.N. showdown, the United States warned world leaders Wednesday that trying to create a Palestinian nation by simple decree instead of through hard negotiations was bound to fail as a shortcut to peace with Israel. Europeans worked to defuse the dispute, too, France urging new talks within a month.

Undeterred, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas pressed toward a formal bid for U.N. recognition that could bring the issue to a head on Friday.

Addressing the U.N., President Barack Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy offered different solutions to defuse the diplomatic crisis. Sarkozy would have the Palestinians seek a lesser form of recognition at the U.N., while joining new talks with Israel.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, seen as a defining test of peace in modern times, overwhelmed other matters as members of the world body watched a crisis deepen before them.

A frustrated Obama declared to U.N. members that "there are no shortcuts" to peace, and he implored Israelis and Palestinians to restart direct talks. His influence limited and his hopes for a peace deal long stymied, Obama didn't directly call on the Palestinians to drop their bid for recognition from the U.N. Security Council. But the U.S. threat to veto any such U.N. action loomed unmistakably.

"Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the United Nations," Obama told delegates. "If it were that easy, it would have been accomplished by now."

Sarkozy supported an observer state status for Palestine but not full U.N. membership for now. That idea would head off a Security Council vote and veto that he said would risk "engendering a cycle of violence in the Middle East."

The French president proposed a one-year timetable for Israel and the Palestinians to reach an accord.

The White House said the U.S. agreed with the broad goals of the French proposal, but disagreed with Sarkozy on the value of a U.N. status upgrade for the Palestinians ahead of a peace accord.

Palestinian officials made it clear that the latest proposal, while welcome, would do nothing to prevent them from going to the Security Council and seeking full statehood.

"This is a moment of truth," said Nabeel Shaath, an Abbas adviser.

Palestinian senior aide Saeb Erekat said the pursuit of full U.N. membership would not be slowed: "We will not allow any political maneuvering on this issue," he said.

At the heart of the fight, Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pursued support from other leaders but not each other. Various mediators searched for consensus for a diplomatic solution to preclude the showdown and revive peace talks.

Netanyahu thanked Obama for defending Israel, which fears that a Palestinian state drawn by the U.N. would include borders leaving the Jewish state vulnerable to attack. The United States is Israel's staunchest defender in demanding that direct talks are the only means to Palestinian statehood, a position that leaves Obama arguing against fast world endorsement of a Palestinian homeland he has repeatedly said he supports.

Obama and Abbas met for more than 45 minutes Wednesday evening. The White House wouldn't say whether Obama directly asked the Palestinian leader to abandon his plans to pursue full U.N. membership, saying only that he reiterated his opposition to the statehood bid and the U.S. intention to issue a veto.

Beyond the public eye, U.S. and other officials began to concede that an effort to deter Palestinians from bringing the matter before the world body had failed, and the so-called Quartet of Mideast peace mediators worked on a deal intended to address the longstanding concerns of both sides.

Under that compromise plan, the Quartet would issue a statement in which Israel would have to accept its pre-1967 Mideast War borders, with land exchanges, as the basis for a two-state solution, and the Palestinians would have to recognize Israel's Jewish character if there was to be a deal, officials close to the talks said.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss ongoing diplomacy.

A spokesman for Abbas, however, said the Palestinian leader told Obama Wednesday that the Quartet statement would not meet his basic requirements to return to peace talks, in part because the Palestinians oppose recognizing the Jewish character of Israel.

European officials, supported by the U.S., were still continuing to outline the compromise agreement to the Israeli and Palestinian governments and asking for tough concessions from each.

The Palestinians would petition the United Nations Security Council on Friday, as expected, but would agree not to press for action on the request for statehood recognition for a year, or would withdraw it later. That would allow Abbas to save face and prevent an embarrassing defeat that might empower his Fatah party's rival faction, the militant Islamic group Hamas, which is considered a terrorist group by Israel and the United States.

In the 15-member Security Council, approval of a resolution requires nine "yes" votes and no veto by a permanent member – the U.S., Russia, China, Britain and France. If the resolution gets fewer than nine votes, it would be defeated without the U.S. having to use its veto.

While the Palestinians' full membership bid would meet with a certain U.S. veto in the Security Council, assuming there were enough votes to have it approved, they still would have succeeded in bringing the issue back to the forefront of the world's political discussions after years of failed negotiations, bickering and sporadic outbreaks of violence.

Short of a full request for statehood recognition at the U.N. Security Council, the Palestinians could also seek a lesser form of recognition by the larger U.N. General Assembly, where they have overwhelming support.

Sarkozy called for Israelis and Palestinians to return to talks in one month with no preconditions – requiring an enormous leap of faith from both sides – with six months to work out the issues of borders and security that have divided them for decades. He called for a peace accord within a year.

A senior European Union official said the proposal laid out by Sarkozy matched one by EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton during a meeting with EU foreign ministers on Tuesday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussions.

The proposal outlined by Sarkozy received a warmer welcome from the Palestinians than Obama's comments, which elicited stern looks from the Palestinian delegation.

"Ultimately, it is the Israelis and the Palestinians – not us – who must reach agreement on the issues that divide them," Obama said.

Were the Palestinians to accept the French approach, they would become a nonmember observer state at the U.N. That would give them an opportunity to seek membership in U.N. agencies and to join treaties, including possible access to the International Criminal Court. There, Palestinians could press legal claims against Israel for alleged abuses as an occupier.

Obama blitzed through a day of diplomacy that was appropriately bracketed by individual meetings with Netanyahu and Abbas. But for all his effort, Obama appeared to end a day of flurried diplomatic activity right where he started it.

Two years after declaring a new brand of U.S. leadership, and one year after calling for Israel and Palestinian leaders to reach a peace deal by now, Obama found himself standing before the U.N. delegates and admonishing them about what their goal should be – encouraging the parties to sit down together.

"That is the project to which America is committed," he said. "There are no shortcuts. And that is what the United Nations should be focused on in the weeks and months to come."

Netanyahu, with Obama at his side, told reporters that world leaders were under "enormous pressure" but should follow the lead set by the United States. To Obama, with whom he has not shared much public chemistry, Netanyahu said the president had stood on principle in his speech and thanked him for wearing what he called a badge of honor.

Senior Palestinian officials said Abbas would seek to cooperate with the U.S. and would be ready to return to the negotiating table once a solid foundation for talks was in place.

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Associated Press writers Mohammed Daraghmeh, Amy Teibel, Julie Pace, Steven R. Hurst and Edith M. Lederer in New York contributed to this report.

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nk5otr
08:56 PM on 09/22/2011
I find the comments about Israel controlling amusing considering that many consider him to be the least friendly president toward Israel in decades. Obama's speech was lengthy and probably unheard or unread by many who attack him. Here is a link to the speech.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/full-transcript-of-obama-s-speech-at-un-general-assembly-1.385820

Obama spoke true words, but many have closed ears. He said in part:

"Ultimately, peace depends upon compromise among people who must live together long after our speeches are over, long after our votes have been tallied. That’s the lesson of Northern Ireland, where ancient antagonists bridged their differences. That’s the lesson of Sudan, where a negotiated settlement led to an independent state. And that is and will be the path to a Palestinian state -- negotiations between the parties. "

"The Jewish people have forged a successful state in their historic homeland. Israel deserves recognition. It deserves normal relations with its neighbors. And friends of the Palestinians do them no favors by ignoring this truth, just as friends of Israel must recognize the need to pursue a two-state solution with a secure Israel next to an independent Palestine."
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lacrimae rerum
06:02 PM on 09/23/2011
Israel was forged in the historic homeland of European migrants? A moot point. However Palestine has accepted that Israel is where it is. They would like to retain 78% of their real historic homeland to create their own state free of occupation and foreign settlements. Noone believes that UN support is the be all and end all, bur I am sure that it will boost their chance of eventual success.
02:29 PM on 09/22/2011
Mahmoud Abbas knows very well, and has known for some time, that the United States and President Obama planned to oppose Abbas's formal bid for U.N. recognition of a "Palestinian nation".

So Abbas decided the smart thing to do would be to do it anyway, in effect telling the United States and the American President to p*ss off in front of an international audience.

Thus another Arab leader (forgive the oxymoron) advances the cause of his "people" in the same direction all others have been leading theirs for the last five or six centuries: backwards.

(I except Jordan's (deceased) King Hussein, of course, who was a good man doing his best in a bad neighborhood.)
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Talab
I tot i taw a putty tat
04:37 PM on 09/22/2011
One could just as easily say Abbas was following Netanyahu's lead in telling America to Pi*s off over building settlements , ...... the only difference ... israel has bought and paid for our congress and senate
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nk5otr
06:34 PM on 09/22/2011
Can you show one dollar given from the State of Israel to a congressman's campaign? Didn't think so.
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06:42 PM on 09/22/2011
oh please. tired false talkinngg pointts are no more true the 1,527th time around then they were the firstt.

because our congresss largely supportts izrall, does not mean, by any stretchh of the imaginationn that they have been 'paidd' to do so….
were yu paidd to support the P's?
were the leaders of any of the countriess that supportt the Ps paidd to supportt them?
such frigggginn non.sense. taa-keeee-yyaaaa.
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piul05
Are you looking at my ears?! (Mo-om!!!)
05:31 PM on 09/22/2011
And, why shouldn't he?

It isn't as if they have been cooperative, have they? They've, in fact, been telling the Palestinians to p*ss off for quite some time now.
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Tiggy
01:40 PM on 09/22/2011
A discussion means that Palestine must give up all. To have peace means that Palestine must agree to wear the shackles of oppression. Shackles that our founding fathers threw off!
It is not our right as a country (USA) to interfere on such a political level. I side with Jefferson in that we should enjoy " "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none."
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01:34 PM on 09/22/2011
we are all hamsters on neocon "financially engineered" and "financially innovated" wheels

Israel's "lawfare" against the Palestinian people

"What Israel has been negotiating over with the Palestinians is the form, the terms, and the extent to which Palestinians must recognise its rights without equivocation. It is this reality that has characterised the last two decades of negotiations with the Palestinians. Negotiations will never restore the internationally-recognised rights of the Palestinians; on the contrary, the negotiations that the Palestinians entered with Israel two decades ago are ones wherein one party, the Palestinians, must surrender all their internationally recognised rights and recognise instead Israel's self-arrogated rights, which are not recognised by international law or any other country for that matter.

Sixty-three years after the establishment of the Jewish settler-colony, this Palestinian act will not only lend the first international legitimacy to Israeli claims, it will constitute in effect nothing less than the first international recognition of Israel's self-arrogated rights. Israel need give up nothing in return."

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115684218533873.html
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
01:28 PM on 09/22/2011
On my drives from , from Ramallah to Jenin, Abu Dis to Jericho, Bethlehem to Hebron, I'd play a little game: Could I travel for an entire minute without seeing physical evidence of occupation? Occasionally -- say, when riding through a narrow passage between hills -- it was possible. But not often. Nearly every panoramic vista, every turn in the highway revealed a Jewish settlement, an Israeli army checkpoint, a military watchtower, a looming concrete wall, a barbed-wire fence with signs announcing another restricted area, or cluster of army jeeps stopping cars and inspecting young men for their documents.

The ill-fated Oslo "peace process" that emerged from Oslo Accords of 1993 not only failed to prevent such expansion, it effectively sanctioned it. Since then, number of Israeli settlers on the West Bank has nearly tripled to more than 300,000 -- and that figure doesn't include more than 200,000 Jewish settlers in East Jerusalem.

The Oslo Accords, ratified by both Palestinians and Israelis, divided the West Bank into three zones -- A, B, and C. At the time, they were imagined by the Palestinian Authority as a temporary way station on road to an independent state. They are, however, still in effect today. The de facto Israeli strategy has been and remains to give Palestinians relative freedom in Area A, around West Bank's cities, while locking down "Area C" -- 60 percent of the West Bank --
more:http://www.salon.com/news/middle_east/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/09/22/palestine_israel_occupation
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foxfury
01:19 PM on 09/22/2011
Wasn't the A-bomb a shortcut to peace?
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
01:45 PM on 09/22/2011
or the fire bombing of Dresden k.i..ll.ing 1.5 million civilians
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02:58 PM on 09/22/2011
The maximum figures for Dresden (by the Nazis) was half a million.Even they did not say it was over a million!
Now the Germans say it was more like 25 thousand.
I am not interested in engaging in any discussion about Dresden, but here again, playing fast and loose with inflating numbers by you guys even extends to Nazi Germany.

Here is a link that starkly points out your unfortunate revision of THAT historic occurrence.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,581992,00.htmlhttp://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,581992,00.html

Then, may I suggest that you hit the books? Again, or maybe for the first time?
02:53 PM on 09/23/2011
No. That is what you are told to believe. Peace negotiations for surrender with Japan were nearly completed when Truman decided his new super-weapon needed to be tested on humanity in a public display of America's "super power". What it really was, was the murder of a quarter million innocent civilians.
01:04 PM on 09/22/2011
There are no two equal sides in negotiations between the occupier and the occupied:

- Israel is a powerful state and military, in a prolonged occupation, colonization, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and oppression of Palestinians. The price Israel has paid for continuing to occupy and colonize Palestinian land has been very small.

- The Palestinians are a disinherited, displaced and dispersed nation of people with neither a military nor a sovereign territory. Having nothing to give up, the Palestinians have nothing to negotiate. Their only leverage is that they remain there, they would not go away, and they would not let the Israelis forget what they did to them.

International law is clear: Israeli settlements are illegal
http://ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/illegal.html
http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/settlements.html
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
01:41 PM on 09/22/2011
Cirrusrz FF two great posts back to back,thank you, I offer here 6 Videos, each 5 to 10 min. by the celebrated British journalist robert Fisk..There is actually more truth here that one can handle.
..............................................THE ROAD TO PALESTINE..................................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxKlaWKpb6k
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nk5otr
06:39 PM on 09/22/2011
Through asymmetrical warfare, the Palestinians have drained probably billions of dollars from Israel in defense costs. The Palestinians have the negotiating power, or used to, of stopping terrorism. Since Hamas kicked Fatah out of Gaza, and Israel would be negotiating with Fatah, they could probably only promise peace from the West Bank territories.
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Talab
I tot i taw a putty tat
05:55 AM on 09/23/2011
Calling that the IDF does "defense" is as warped as calling our military budjet "defense" neither are used for anything but offense and calling them that is directly from "1984" Department of truth talking points written by Orwell. The only way the Palestinian government will be able to sell peace to their people will first take a radical change of Israeli policy and actions in the West Bank , East Jerusalem and Gaza
12:57 PM on 09/22/2011
Some Israelis are so arrogant that they expect the Palestinians to cave in to their demands. How can peace negotiations ever succeed given such attitudes?

Netanyahu is leader of the Likud party. Read excerpts from the Likud Party platform (or Likud Charter):

- "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs."

- "The Jewish communities in (West Bank) and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."

- "The Jordan Valley and the territories that dominate it shall be under Israeli sovereignty. The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel."

- "Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem..."

http://tinyurl.com/4d7p4g
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Talab
I tot i taw a putty tat
01:38 PM on 09/22/2011
Essentially Likud =Hamas they are just on different sides of the fence
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nk5otr
06:40 PM on 09/22/2011
No, Likud is a political party, and Hamas is a terrorist group which supports the destruction of a country, kidnapping, murder of their opponents in Fatah, and rocket attacks on cities.
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12:37 PM on 09/22/2011
we are all hamsters on neocon "financially engineered" and "financially innovated" wheels

2/26/10

"Israel is keen to discredit Richard Goldstone as punishment for his United Nations report criticising Israel's assault on Gaza last year. So its government made much hoopla of the "revelation", earlier this month, that as a judge in apartheid South Africa Mr Goldstone sentenced 28 black men to hang and four to be flogged.

Israeli officials may feel their moral sense is keener than that of Nelson Mandela, who knew the judge's record yet respected his subsequent anti-apartheid work enough to appoint him to the country's highest court. They may yet explain how being tough on black people is proof of pro-Palestinian bias. But it would be hard for them to shrug off the fact that even when South Africa faced blanket international sanctions,

one country continued to supply it copiously with arms and helped it to build a nuclear bomb:

Israel."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/new-israels-ties-to-apart_b_591273.html

11/22/74

shimon peres' letter to the south african regime about how they share so much in common.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/Peres-letter.pdf
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Richard Aron
Be the change you wish to see in the world. Gandhi
12:36 PM on 09/22/2011
We cannot prohibit a nation from asking for its freedom. However, we can stop and hinder their efforts just because we have some fun?damentalists influencing our policies. Very sad indeed ....
12:01 PM on 09/22/2011
Mr. President, your words and your actions are a miss-match that confuses voters. Go Abbas!
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poorblackandbroke
No one speaks for God but God!
11:22 AM on 09/22/2011
If anyone believes that granting the Palestinians full UN membership would bring peace between them and Israel you're licking mushrooms. I have no dog in the fight, but I remember President Clinton getting a negotiated deal, land for peace with Arafat and the Israeli government, and at the last minute Arafat refused to sign it.

From my perspective, the leaders of Arab nations don't really care about the Palestinian people, or them becoming a recognized UN nation. They want them constantly victimized so they can have a wedge against Israel. The more the world sees of the suffering of Palestinian children and women, the more propaganda they can use to create anger and hatred against Israel.

I'm not saying everything Israel has done is always right, but at some point you get tired of trying to be reasonable while taking missiles attacks against your civilians.
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valhalladad
Freedom went out of style too soon
02:09 PM on 09/22/2011
"...but at some point you get tired of trying to be reasonable while taking missiles attacks against your civilians."

The Palestinians agree whole-heartedly with you. (Not to mention the white phosphorous, poisoning of wells, destruction of orchards, etc.)
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nk5otr
08:30 PM on 09/22/2011
The use of white phosphorus isn't strictly illegal under international law. Armies are allowed to use it to provide illumination or to provide smoke to cover military operations. It is, however, illegal to use it deliberately on human targets.

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September 2010

Israeli officials said white phosphorus – an incendiary banned for offensive use under international law – was in two of nine mortar shells fired from Gaza into southern Israel.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2010/0915/Israel-Phosphorus-bombshells-launched-from-Gaza

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March 2011

While Jerusalem residents are recovering from Wednesday's terror attack, at least five mortar shells were fired from the northern Gaza Strip at southern Israel.

Sappers who examined the shells said some of them contained phosphorus

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4046898,00.html
08:59 PM on 09/22/2011
Guess Arafat should've signed that agreement.
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Jenna Bean
Stop Child Abuse!
03:22 PM on 09/22/2011
Maybe if you bothered to read a little more on what Arafat was offered, you wouldnt have this attitude.

Here's an easy strategy to get an idea....go live in your basement. Remember you will have no access to part of the house, and the hallways will only gain you access to your kitchen or bathroom, but you will have to wait at a checkpoint. Also, whenever you make a purchase, don't forget to save your receipts or you will be forced to throw the items out before you get home. Plus try and imagine that you have no control over the air conditioning(air space) and you couldnt have a blanket to protect you from the monsters(a military). and don't bother decorating, you're not allowed to do anything that would make you an actual nation or in this case, person...but you can just live there and watch everyone live lavishly around you while the same people provide your security and resources, when they feel like it.

SOUND GOOD TO YOU??
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poorblackandbroke
No one speaks for God but God!
08:37 PM on 09/22/2011
We could talk semantics all day. The reality is they both agreed to what was in the agreement. Even President Clinton was sure it would be a landmark step in the right direction. Then Arafat refused to sign what he had already agreed to in discussions with the President and the Israelis. It would have been the first step at many offering land for peace. You have to take smaller steps before you turn over the entire West Bank, and the Golan Heights, otherwise you over compromise the security you seek without any leverage.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
11:05 AM on 09/22/2011
By Chris Hedges

Barack Obama’s politically expedient decision to betray and abandon his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, exposed his cowardice and moral bankruptcy. In that moment, playing part of Judas, he surrendered last shreds of his integrity. He became nothing more than pawn of power, or as “a black mascot for Wall Street.” Obama, once glitter of power fades, will have to grapple with fact that he was a traitor not only to his pastor, the man who married him and , baptized his children and who kept him spiritually and morally grounded, but to himself. Wright retains what is most precious in life and what Obama has squandered—his soul.

The health of a nation is measured by how it treats its prophets. When these prophets are ignored and reviled, when they become figures of ridicule, when they are labeled by chattering classes and power elite as fools, then there is no check left on moral decay and degeneration of the state. Wright, who spent 36 years at Trinity United Church of Christ since presidential campaign has endured slander and calumny and weathered character assassination, misinterpretation and abuse, and yet he continues Sunday to thunder word of God from pulpits across the country.
Obama, who like Judas took his 30 pieces of silver and betrayed someone who loved him, withers into moral insignificance in Wright’s presence.

more: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_rev_jeremiah_wright_recalls_obamas_fall_from_grace_20110919/
10:16 AM on 09/22/2011
Implications of a successful UN vote
(1) The PLO will cease to represent the Palestinian people at the UN, and the PA will replace it as their presumed state.

(2) The PLO, which represents all Palestinians (about 12 million people in historic Palestine and in the diaspora), and was recognised as their "sole" representative at the UN in 1974, will be truncated to the PA, which represents only West Bank Palestinians (about 2 million people). Incidentally this was the vision presented by the infamous "Geneva Accords" that went nowhere.

(3) It will politically weaken Palestinian refugees' right to return to their homes and be compensated, as stipulated in UN resolutions. The PA does not represent the refugees, even though it claims to represent their "hopes" of establishing a Palestinian state at their expense. Indeed, some international legal experts fear it could even abrogate the Palestinians' right of return altogether

(4) Israel could then inform the PA that the territories it now controls (a small fraction of the West Bank) is all the territory Israel will concede and that this will be the territorial basis of the PA state. Indeed,Israel has already obtained UN assurances about their right to defend themselves and to preserve their security with whatever means they think are necessary to achieve these goals
12:14 PM on 09/22/2011
There has never been a historic Palestine as it was never autonomous.
12:41 PM on 09/22/2011
True Dat.
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MikeDu
Both salubrious and lugubrious concurrently.
10:04 AM on 09/22/2011
It seems we no longer have 'reasons' for doing what we do in the world, we're victims of our own blind bureaucratic momentum. Like a large jagged rock tumbling down hill smashing whatever is in its path. But be warned, whatever our current ability to smash, our direction is still downhill and our momentum slows with each new obstacle. Entropy is already starting to kick in.