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Birther Civil War Breaks Out Over Marco Rubio

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First Posted: 09/22/11 05:11 PM ET Updated: 11/22/11 05:12 AM ET

It's a given that at some point in the future, Barack Obama will not be the president of the United States. That time may come sooner than Democrats want, or later than Republicans fear, but it will come all the same, and there will be a new president. Perhaps even a Republican president! And so like many of you, I've been wondering about what happens to the Birther movement in a post-Obama era. (If you've not been wondering about this, feel free to click here to learn more about cooking with bourbon, America's most important foodstuff.)

In my mind, I've always imagined that the chances of Birtherism continuing much beyond Obama's presidency were small. And I never thought for one minute that the Birthers would demand similar scrutiny of a Republican candidate for president. But it turns out I may have been wrong about this, because as Wonkette reports, there's some sort of Birther schism emerging over the Oval Office prospects of Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

In one corner, we have Lawrence Sellin, a former Army reserve officer who seems to have parlayed getting dismissed from his position as a staffer to General David Petraeus in Afghanistan (for criticizing his superiors and making fun of their PowerPoint presentations) into a career of writing Birther tracts for something called the Canada Free Press. He's been something of a fixture in the movement ever since, and is undeterred in his dementia despite this year's release of Obama's long sought-after "long form birth certificate." Now, he's targeting Rubio:

The precedent of an illegal President having been established by the inauguration of Obama, the Republicans now feel free to promote their own illegal candidates.

I believe Marco Rubio is a good man and a fine public servant. Unfortunately, like Obama, he is not eligible for the Presidency or the Vice Presidency because he is not a natural born citizen.

Both Democrats and Republicans have tried very hard to confuse the eligibility issue, mainly by focusing on what the Constitution and the Supreme Court holdings do not say, rather than what they clearly do say.

Being born in the U.S. makes one a U.S. citizen, but not necessarily a natural born citizen, which requires US citizen parents at the time of birth. The Founding Fathers specifically put that requirement in the Constitution to prevent someone having dual allegiance from becoming president.

Marco Rubio was born in the US, which makes him a US citizen. His parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth. Therefore, Marco Rubio is not a natural born citizen and not eligible for the office of President or Vice President.

But, over at Birther-Loon Clearinghouse WorldNetDaily, they are rising to Rubio's defense:

Unlike Barack Obama, Rubio doesn't have a mysterious past filled with unanswered questions. He has also been consistent in preaching the gospel of capitalism, entrepreneurship, low taxes, less regulation, less borrowing and the greatness of the American way of life.

In other words, Rubio has never even so much as implied that he wants to fundamentally change America. If anything, his words indicate that he favors returning the United States to its founding roots.

Whether or not Rubio is eligible to be president of the United States gets down to a constitutional interpretation, which is always a tricky issue. The problem is that the Constitution does not define the term "natural-born citizen." Though both Bobby Jindal's and Marco Rubio's parents were legal residents of the United States at the time of their sons' births, none of them became citizens until after their sons were born.

Remember, for the pure strain of Obama Birther, it's always been less about Constitutional interpretations and more about a shadowy conspiracy between generations of government officials to get Obama elected president in order to undermine capitalism (it's not working, corporate profits are at record levels). Rubio may not be a "natural-born citizen," but even if he isn't, he's one of the good ones, as far as WorldNetDaily is concerned.

So that's what's awaiting Marco Rubio, it seems, as speculation mounts that he could end up as someone's vice presidential pick in 2012. It's hard to say if the Rubio Birthers deserve scorn for continuing this insanity, or if the Birther Originalists deserve scorn for their lack of consistency. However, I was just starting to think about making a verdict on the matter, when I suddently remembered that all of these people are pathetic clowns and so all can be scorned in equal amounts.

And as for Rubio? After studying the behavior of other Republicans who mildly repudiate Birtherism, I have gathered it would not be considered out of bounds for me to say that I take Rubio at his word that he is a United States citizen.

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It's a given that at some point in the future, Barack Obama will not be the president of the United States. That time may come sooner than Democrats want, or later than Republicans fear, but it will c...
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Emma2011
08:17 AM on 10/22/2011
Rubios's parents, who were low-skilled workers looking for a better future just like the illegal aliens, were admitted for permanent residence upon arrival to the US without having done anything for the USA or having any special skills. Rubio, though, wants to uproot and send illegal aliens who have toiled in the US economy for a couple of decades back to their home countries. What a hypocrite!
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mmcgrew
05:43 AM on 10/22/2011
LIAR
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
03:30 PM on 09/27/2011
There are crazies out there from both sides of the aisle.I am sure that Rubio won't have a issue in providing a birth certificate if asked.

I can't wait for the day Rubio runs. good times are coming. good times are coming!
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
09:25 AM on 09/28/2011
These are the same crazies from the same side of the aisle as before, and I think you have misunderstood the (fantasy) basis on which they are are going after Senator Rubio.

No birth certificate can cure the deficiency they claim.

Take another look :-)
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Tim Moore
Afraid of clowns
02:18 PM on 09/26/2011
I love this part: "Unlike Barack Obama, Rubio doesn't have a mysterious past filled with unanswered questions. He has also been consistent in preaching the gospel of capitalism, entrepreneurship, low taxes, less regulation, less borrowing and the greatness of the American way of life. In other words, Rubio has never even so much as implied that he wants to fundamentally change America."

So in other words, Rubio isn't a closet Kenyan Socialist like the current White House occupant, so he's OK with us, even though he may not really be a citizen. And he loves America, just like it is, wouldn't want to change a thing!

Rubio is a citizen, Obama is a citizen. How about a little respect for both of them, regardless of your ideology.
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starchildjg24
Balance, Logic and Humor Rule
05:51 PM on 09/26/2011
In what state do you reside? FL will be delighted to send him your way. Rubio loves to play fast and loose with the truth, and actually accomplishes nothing. He says what he is told to say, but doesn't actually come up with any ideas of his own.
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01:23 PM on 09/27/2011
Who tells him what to say?
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JMKeynes
[We the 'you people' . . .]
01:58 PM on 09/26/2011
In 2010, Arizona state legislators passed a law that allows the police to ask for proof of citizenship when they make an arrest. It received a ton of publicity.
This year's legislative session began with a whole slate of bills designed to expand on that.
A bill was passed that would require presidential candidates to present proof of citizenship to get on the ballot in the state. The very conservative Republican governor, Jan Brewer, vetoed it
Another bill that would allow Arizona to override the 14th Amendment and re-define citizenship was defeated in the state legislature which is 70% Republican.
The legislator who wrote the "papers please" bill is being recalled in a special election scheduled for Nov. 8.

I see very little mention of these events in the national press.

Why was the tide turned? The state's wretched reputation resulted in business losses estimated in the hundreds of millions to almost a billion dollars at at time when there's a budget deficit and high unemployment.

I'd like to think this is a harbinger for the other states. Conservative policy is bad for business.
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
03:32 PM on 09/27/2011
liberal policies are doing so much good things eh. more food stamps..more unemployment. Great job libs!
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torgman3
1 man's Founding Father is another's slaveowner
09:05 PM on 10/16/2011
More tax breaks, more tax breaks, more tax breaks...wait, there's no money left! More cuts, more cuts, more tax breaks, more cuts...uh oh, the programs are underfunded--let's kill them!

Great job, cons!
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Former Icon
Card Carrying Union Member
12:46 PM on 09/26/2011
Actually, this could be the birthers committing seppuku. To wit: the Right dearly wants Rubio as their veep candidate next year and as a candidate for POTUS in 2016. All this nonsense now directed at one of their own, could turn the Right on the birthers like Chris Christie on a calzone.

The birthers served their purpose: to some low-info voters, they made the President appear to be illegitimate. Now, their corporate owners will pull the plug.
03:59 PM on 10/22/2011
McCain's eligibility in the last election was also questioned, and found wanting.
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JoanMeijer
Author of Relentless: The Search For Typhoid Mary
12:39 PM on 09/26/2011
another BS time wasting issue.
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
03:33 PM on 09/27/2011
yep
07:57 PM on 10/21/2011
If you consider defending the Constitution a waste of time why don't you go live somewhere else?
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Card Carrying Union Member
12:38 PM on 09/26/2011
Alaska was not a state when Saint Sarry's parents were born, and as a secessionist Tahr-dd is NOT a natural born citizen, so &RHo;alin can't be President.

Not that she was ever going to be.
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
03:33 PM on 09/27/2011
huh? English please
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torgman3
1 man's Founding Father is another's slaveowner
09:10 PM on 10/16/2011
1. She was born in Iowa! So were likely her parents.
2. Todd's citizenship, unless he runs for office, will never be an issue.
3. Anyone born in a US territory is a natural US citizen.
4. Sir, I will NEVER forgive you for putting me in a position to defend Sarah Palin! :P
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beachinstead
socialist libs other countries need you
12:34 PM on 09/26/2011
http://www/. snopes.com/politics/Obama/bo.asp

hey every one check out his fact that the socialist libs do not want you to see it is really sad. obama the black elitist!
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Former Icon
Card Carrying Union Member
12:39 PM on 09/26/2011
sιeg Ηeil!
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JMKeynes
[We the 'you people' . . .]
02:38 PM on 09/26/2011
When I follow your link it goes to a ridiculous story about the President that snopes says is false.
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Grace Hulbert
Get your Bichon!
12:26 PM on 09/26/2011
After studying the behavior of Republicans who mildly repudiate Birtherism, I have gathered it would not be considered out of bounds for me to say that I take Rubio at his word that he is a United States citizen.

They reap what they sow. Will they "mildly" repudiate the attack on Rubio?
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Card Carrying Union Member
12:42 PM on 09/26/2011
I'm no admirer of Rubio or his ideas, but this is a dangerous trend which should be opposed by Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike.

Whether I agree with him or not, Marco Rubio is a United States citizen from birth, JUST AS President Βarack Οbama is.
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Grace Hulbert
Get your Bichon!
12:56 PM on 09/26/2011
On that we fully agree. However, the Republicans nourished the "birther" movement by not firmly and loudly standing up to it. Therefore they are now reaping what they sowed.

The Democrats need to speak up now and condemn the bither nonsense and point out to the GOP that old saying " When they came for me, there was no one left to speak."
07:59 PM on 10/21/2011
No one is saying he's not a US citizen. He's not a "natural born" US citizen.
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drkazmd65
Mom Taught me - Question Everything - Thanks Mom!
12:01 PM on 09/26/2011
I am by no means a fan of Rubio or of Jindal,...but this line of thinking worries me as regards my fellow American citizens:

"Marco Rubio was born in the US, which makes him a US citizen. His parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth. Therefore, Marco Rubio is not a natural born citizen and not eligible for the office of President or Vice President."

So,.. now we have a trend towards ANYBODY who happens to be brown/swarthy, whose parents were not born here - regardless of whether, or not, they themselves were undeniably born here - being called into question as a potential leader.

They really do make this caca up as they go along, don't they?
08:01 PM on 10/21/2011
Try to keep up. The parents don't have to be born here they just have to be citizens when the kids are born here. McCain was ineligible too because he was born in Panama.
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Twelve
Uber Liberal And Proud Of It
11:44 AM on 09/26/2011
I think the birthers should be asked to leave the country. They aren't true Americans.
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Patricia Cash
Yellow Dog -Progressive-
01:51 PM on 09/26/2011
This is the smartest post I've read in a long time .I agree I'll even help raise money to pick them up and ship them out. The most horrid bigots in American history.
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starchildjg24
Balance, Logic and Humor Rule
05:45 PM on 09/26/2011
There has been some research done that indicates that people who cling to conspiracy theories have some serious mental problems. It is easy to "get into" a group like the birthers or the Area 51 bunch or the 9/11 people. Therefore, someone who is a misfit in his regular life can belong just by believing in the conspiracy, and gives them a sense of belonging and some sort of social interaction. Therefore, I try never to ridicule such people, or try to debate them. It is not easy to be lonely and fearful.
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Twelve
Uber Liberal And Proud Of It
10:56 PM on 09/26/2011
It's not the loneliness or fear that bothers me, it's the viral hatred! I feel sorry for them in a way, but I have to admit my tolerance level is steadily going down. And you're right, it doesn't do any good to debate them, but I gotta tell ya, sometimes they just piss me off!!
08:02 PM on 10/21/2011
It's not a conspiracy theory it's a legitimate question of law.
11:31 AM on 09/26/2011
The whole natural born citizen debate is such BS. His parents aren't running for President Marco Rubio is if he decides to run. I would never vote for him because I'm on the other side of the political spectrum, but he was born in America, and that gives him all the chances that comes with being a citizen of this nation.
08:03 PM on 10/21/2011
Nope. If you're not natural born you can't be POTUS.
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jafsie
Fighting for the rights of the already-born
11:11 AM on 09/26/2011
Speaking of birthers, why hasn't Sarah Palin ever provided answers about that extremely improbable story of Trig's birth?
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maw73191
Detroit Lions fan until the day I die!!!
11:04 AM on 09/26/2011
Yes Marco, this is how it begins. Peace & Love.