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Rick Perry Florida Debate Performance Could Be Key Moment For Campaign

First Posted: 09/22/2011 9:08 am Updated: 11/22/2011 4:12 am

WASHINGTON – Rick Perry leads national polls in the Republican presidential primary, but he has been battered so much this month that if his third debate on Thursday night goes as roughly as his first two, he could be in some trouble.

Perry's advantage over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has been cut roughly in half over the last two weeks. Attacks on him from Romney and other candidates have taken their toll, raising questions about whether Perry is as good as first advertised, and more importantly, whether he can beat President Obama in the general election.

"[The 2012 election] will be less about our nominee, as long as our nominee is not scary," said a prominent Ohio Republican, who asked that he not be identified in order to speak more frankly about Perry's weaknesses.

Perry's Social Security comments, in particular, have spooked Republican officials in numerous key swing states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and elsewhere. These Republicans agree with the Texan's sentiment that the government-administered system of retirement accounts needs to be reformed; most would even want it partially privatized. But they cringe at Perry's implying Social Security might not be constitutional, at his casual mentions of possibly sending the program to the state level, and at his provocative rhetoric –- calling it a "Ponzi scheme" and "monstrous lie" -- which they think would be used in their states as a battering ram against Perry and other candidates down the ballot in the last few weeks of the general election.

Even if Perry releases a full and comprehensive plan for Social Security, the Ohio Republican "fear[s] it would be overshadowed."

"Our nominee needs to be talking about jobs and the economy. But the other side needs to scare, because the other side doesn't want to talk about jobs and the economy," he said. "So our nominee will spend little of their resources talking about Social Security. The other side will spend a lot of resources because they don't want to talk about anything else."

Reggie Bashur, a lobbyist in Austin who has worked with and advised Perry, said Perry is simply talking about Social Security in the same way he always has.

"He believes in talking to the people directly and telling them what he thinks, and frankly I think it served him well in this campaign. People, whether they agree or not with every statement, they respect that he is being direct and open and candid," Bashur told The Huffington Post. "As this process moves forward most of the media will conclude that Gov. Perry is one of the most able and effective political figures this country has ever had. "

"He's a leader. When he gets elected, and congress sends him a budget that is not what he wanted, he'll stay and they won't get the continuing resolutions. He won't sign those. These guys will have finally met somebody who's going to make them live within their means. This country hasn't had that in a while," he said.

But Perry has clearly recognized that he is vulnerable on the Social Security issue. At his second debate, he went out of his way to emphasize his intent to preserve the system for current beneficiaries and for those who are nearing eligibility. But he has seemed uncertain about how to respond to the focused and relentless attacks from the more seasoned Romney campaign, which continued on Wednesday.

The Romney camp issued six specific and detailed questions for Perry to answer on Wednesday morning. It took Perry's campaign six hours to respond. About five minutes after they did so, the Romney campaign struck back on a different topic, pointing out that Texas had lost 1,300 jobs in August and labeling Perry "Governor Sub-Zero."

But debates play an enormous role in shaping voters' opinions and perceptions of candidates. Thursday's debate in Orlando is the last of three in September, and the next is almost three weeks away. Perry's performance in it will either help arrest the negative momentum that has been building up against him, or accelerate it.

Republican political operatives said that on Thursday night, Perry needs to be quicker to move past attacks from other candidates and to focus on a positive message.

"Key for Governor Perry, when attacked, is to relentlessly pivot back to his strong suit, which is his successful record as a conservative governing a great and prosperous state," said Jonathan Collegio, communications director for American Crossroads, a conservative political action group. "It doesn't pay to get bogged down in global warming or the Seventeenth Amendment if there's a story to be told about a free market policy that created jobs in Abilene."

Rob Collins, a former chief of staff to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) who is now a consultant with Washington lobbying firm Purple Strategies, thinks "Perry needs to have a crisper rationale for why he is running for President."

"He needs three or four clear points that tell his story, reflect his accomplishments and slim down the Perry narrative," Collins said. "Right now he is too broad and Perry is having trouble defining himself. With these points down he can mitigate attacks, establish some discipline about his 10 years as governor and then pivot back to his message."

But Social Security continues to linger. As the issue has metastasized for Perry, others have cropped up. His fellow presidential candidates Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) have hammered him for issuing an executive order in 2007 mandating vaccination of 11- and 12-year old girls against the Human Papillomavirus (HPV), the most common sexually transmitted disease and a leading cause of cervical cancer. The order contained an opt-out procedure, meaning that parents were allowed to prevent their daughters from being vaccinated if they wanted to. The Republican-controlled Texas legislature passed legislation negating Perry's executive order. Bachmann has pointed to the fact that Perry's former chief of staff, Mike Toomey, was a lobbyist for Merck, the drug maker who manufactured the first-available form of the vaccine, Gardasil.

Little is known about Toomey's role in the matter. The Texas governor's office has released several hundred pages of internal correspondence about the vaccine and the executive order, but there are indications in that batch of documents that there was plenty of discussion about them that was not written down or preserved.

On February 1, 2007, Greg Davidson, the governor’s executive clerk, sent an email to other staffers soliciting final comments for Perry’s executive order on the HPV vaccine. In it, he wrote, “[I]f you’ve been working offline on some changes or under the table with someone else on this one, get your comments to me ASAP."

Perry has said he was wrong to bypass the legislature by issuing an executive order, but he has been erratic in explaining his position. In August he said the vaccination order should have had an opt-in, which would make it something that parents would pursue for their child only if they really wanted it. Yet in the last two debates, he has lauded the opt-out as sufficient, saying he didn't "know what's more strong for parental rights." Then two days after the most recent debate, he once again said the opt-in should have been included.

He also said the existence of the opt-out provision was proof that what he issued was not a mandate.

But a former Perry staffer, who agreed to talk on condition of anonymity, insists that when the policy was developed in 2007, everyone was in total agreement about one thing: they were implementing a mandate.

"We knew if you don't do the mandate, you don't get compliance," the former staffer said. "The mandate drives compliance."

The staffer said the order simply fit with other initiatives Perry had launched. In 2003, the governor signed an executive order aimed at increasing immunization rates.

"When we started making progress on immunization, we got really excited," she said. "We weren't 50th [in the nation] anymore."

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Tootsie56
help fellow travelers along the way, it comes back
01:19 PM on 09/23/2011
This group of "human beings" are the most hate-filled, poor excuses for a human beings than I have seen since the n a t z ! e s.
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Judie Vc
rMONEY OUTSPENDS SICKY 6:1 ON Mi = UNELECTABLE!!!!
11:29 PM on 09/23/2011
LOL.
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
12:57 PM on 09/24/2011
Si, Senor, What a joke they bumble almost everything. Fanned & Faved!
08:56 AM on 09/23/2011
I'm from New Mexico and was glad to finally see Gary Johnson in a debate since he's been omitted from almost all the past debates. However, he was given very little opportunity to speak while the top two contenders were given the most questions. Are they afraid Gary Johnson actually has something of value to add and might actually move up in the polls? He did a great job as governor of our state but you wouldn't know it from the limited amount of time he was given at last night's debate.
01:31 AM on 09/23/2011
I joked that all Rick Perry needed was a cape to look like
Dracula,Well, Rachel Maddow tonight showed a seer talking about Perry's
prayers working on the burning up of the state of Texas as the earth was
rejoicing itself, while they rescued a puppy down in the cracks of the
the earth. Texas looked like a dried up burning hell where they also had
to rescue the fish out of the river because there was no water for them.
The seer talked about the earth rejoicing when there used to
be cannibals there, and it blew me away when I thought of Dracula and
Perry??? I kept thinking "I vant your blood. I vant your blood."
They say if you wear garlic around your neck, it keeps them away.
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
08:13 AM on 09/23/2011
Your vampire reference cracked me up! You can read what I wrote yesterday about my very first thought when I saw his pic..it struck me as demonic..you know, the ole 666..and I thought are they serious about helping it along to get to the last days??? Gave me the shivers!!
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
01:01 PM on 09/24/2011
I saw it too on Rachel Maddow. That woman Jacobs must of come out of an aslyum or something. Rick is something out of horror movie. Fanned & Faved!
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Kalikat
79 year old breast cancer survivor
12:44 AM on 09/23/2011
HE HE HE HE I just looked at the other pictures associated with this article. Did you all see the tea bags in the front (fox must have put them there) with those ridiculous colonial suits on. If those people knew how every one is making fun of them, do you think they would still wear them.
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Judie Vc
rMONEY OUTSPENDS SICKY 6:1 ON Mi = UNELECTABLE!!!!
11:33 PM on 09/23/2011
False news always being unclassy.
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chronic
12:31 AM on 09/23/2011
Another squinty eyed, a'struttin, a'brush clearin, shoot from the hip Texan?

No more Texans!
01:24 AM on 09/23/2011
Yes you figured it all out! The imaginary line drawn geographically to represent imaginary borders has EVERYTHING to do with a human beings qualifications to be commander in chief.

This is why we make fun of you libs, so stop asking.
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chronic
10:52 AM on 09/27/2011
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
11:54 AM on 09/23/2011
Here I sit, cheeks aflexin', bout to give birth to another Texan.
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chronic
10:52 AM on 09/27/2011
Pity.
Whoahox
Let's go Mets!
12:25 AM on 09/23/2011
Obama is now 3-0 after 3 debates. "Undefeated" Palin fails to post yet again.
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
12:14 AM on 09/23/2011
More boring Clowns to deal with. When does it stop!
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rudyg43
2014 Mid-term is a coming!
12:13 AM on 09/23/2011
listening to this recent version of so-called debate proves unions must be careful who they vote for in 2012! Yep, Perry lied about that! Perry and the Texas legislature realized that turning down federal monies would greatly deplete state resources and accepted those terms as did insurance companies by accepting more un-insured children living at home. Perry is morphing more and more into Romney and Romney cleaned his clock tonight! Both called for opting out but that is just a ploy until and if either wins the right to go up against Obama! They all back tracked on some issues but toying with each others issues. No one on stage talked about the bubble except Paul and he may come up in the polls some. Bachmann burned out completely as did Gingrich! Gary Johnson stole the show but Obama won the so-called debate!
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12:10 AM on 09/23/2011
Is America ready for another half-cocked cheerleader from Texas?
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
12:17 AM on 09/23/2011
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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SpookyAnnya
RN for higher teachers' salaries
12:28 AM on 09/23/2011
fanned and faved. love your micro bio
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SpookyAnnya
RN for higher teachers' salaries
12:26 AM on 09/23/2011
That's weird that they were both cheerleaders, isnt it?
11:57 PM on 09/22/2011
The Republicans attitude is not only hypocritical but also very disrespectful and insulting to the American people. In the last 2 Republican administrations, the national debt was doubled from 5.5 trillion dollars to 11 trillion dollars!! Now, they are complaining about the high national debt and, to disguise their culpability and to make believe that they are helping us, they pretend to be our saviors and are opposing any measures being taken by the President to save Americans from the catastrophic economy created by the Republicans. Hypocritical, disrespectful, and self-serving behavior. And this includes Perry, Rommey and that Bachmann woman (“Back”-man in English) who is just a Palin lookalike trying to impress the American people. These are just ignorant and opportunist individuals trying to capitalize from the situation by blaming the President, who inherited it from the Republicans’ disastrous behavior in the 8 years before his administration took over.
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
08:23 AM on 09/23/2011
You're absolutely right, and I might add, we're living in a time when lying in the media is allowed, in some media (fox) it's the rule..and the senior population still have the mindset from the Huntly/Brinkly news era..if it's said in the news it must be true. this, combined with the situation resulting from the Citizens United decision, has made politics a criminal situation.
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Judie Vc
rMONEY OUTSPENDS SICKY 6:1 ON Mi = UNELECTABLE!!!!
10:54 PM on 09/23/2011
ha ha, F&F.
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Judie Vc
rMONEY OUTSPENDS SICKY 6:1 ON Mi = UNELECTABLE!!!!
10:56 PM on 09/23/2011
Well said, Bravo bravo!! ITA.
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Edward Wilkes
Poet/Stage Actor
11:45 PM on 09/22/2011
There were some very scary Republicans in the Bates Motel Debate. Halloween is next month and now I'm stumped as to which Republican contender would fit the bill for the best scariest Halloween costume---I think I'll go with Straight faced lying Tricky Ricky!
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
12:16 AM on 09/23/2011
Maybe they should debate in the roach motel next time!
01:48 AM on 09/23/2011
Be Afraid if one of the Republican candidates wins the Presidential election in 2012. Be very Afraid! I think this should become one of the main slogans for Obama.
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Judie Vc
rMONEY OUTSPENDS SICKY 6:1 ON Mi = UNELECTABLE!!!!
12:09 AM on 09/24/2011
Yes, we need to be afraid.
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julescator
Just the FACTS, Por Favor!
11:41 PM on 09/22/2011
How do you spell WATERLOO??? Bye Rick you are one scary dude.
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Giant Obstructing Pylon (GOP)
11:40 PM on 09/22/2011
and the winner is

that sweaty guy's neighbor's dogs....

WHAT WAS HIS NAME?!?!?!?!
01:26 AM on 09/23/2011
And that is exactly what is wrong with America...we only know the names of the people the media tells us to pay attention to.
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
08:00 AM on 09/23/2011
I would say Ron Paul is a symptom of what's wrong with America...when the life boat is full, and it seems in order to survive some on the boat need to be "sacrificed." To pretty the idea up they call it Libertarian..I'm not fooled..it's greed and selfishness. The "haves" are determined to rid themselves of the "havenots." They've convinced themselves it's a good thing..It's just ugly.
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Giant Obstructing Pylon (GOP)
08:38 AM on 09/23/2011
Ron Paul....
he had done a pretty good job of zapping your noodle.

This guy says he will only say who would be his running mate once he become top tiered. Tell him not to hold his breath.
09:00 AM on 09/23/2011
I think you are referring to Gary Johnson of New Mexico. Problem is he was not given much of a chance at last night's debate.
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Giant Obstructing Pylon (GOP)
09:08 AM on 09/23/2011
Yeah ... that's him.

It has been discovered elrushbo fed him the funny he told last night. Clearly he was the clown of the evening.
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Giant Obstructing Pylon (GOP)
11:38 PM on 09/22/2011
And that ends another episode of the

IRRELEPHANTS
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
07:55 AM on 09/23/2011
It's early on friday morning, and I don't feel so good, but you made me laugh! so thank you very much..
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Giant Obstructing Pylon (GOP)
08:48 AM on 09/23/2011
You gotta keep laughing. They have the problem. NOT YOU.

Have a great Navy Day.