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Scott Walker's Collective Bargaining Law Keeping Wisconsin Unions From Seeking Recertification

Scott Walker Collective Bargaining

First Posted: 09/22/11 05:55 PM ET Updated: 11/22/11 05:12 AM ET

By SCOTT BAUER, ASSOCIATED PRESS

(AP) MADISON, Wis. -- Wisconsin will no longer be obligated to bargain with its largest public employee unions after the weakened labor groups decided Thursday against seeking recertification votes in the state that was the forefront in this year's fight over union rights.

The unions representing about 50,000 workers opted not to file notice of an intention to hold the complicated and expensive votes required by Gov. Scott Walker's sweeping collective bargaining changes that were passed by lawmakers earlier this year. The unions now will be able to request informal talks with state agencies, but formal negotiations will go by the wayside.

Salary increases no greater than inflation was only item that even remained subject to bargaining under the state's new law, which took effect after months of divisive political wrangling and massive protests at the state Capitol. Unions lost the power to negotiate other issues like workplace safety standards, vacations and health care benefits – all of which had been subject to collective bargaining since Wisconsin became the first state to require it in 1959.

Labor leaders and lawmakers alike said they still hoped informal talks would continue.

"Prior to 1959 there wasn't official recognition and unions were very engaged in the workplace," said Bryan Kennedy, president of the 17,000-member American Federation of Teachers-Wisconsin. "The most important thing is unions are going to do what they did prior to 1959 and that is we're going to be the watchdogs for waste, fraud and abuse in these agencies."

Showing power through numbers – either in support or opposition to employer proposals – will be the model until unions win back the power to bargain a contract, Kennedy said.


"I'm confident we're going to continue to be a squeaky wheel," he said.

Experiences in Mississippi and other states without collective bargaining show public employees still can work with employers to get what they want, said Paul Secunda, a labor law professor and program coordinator for the Marquette Labor and Employment Law Program in Milwaukee. He also called the Wisconsin unions' decision not to pour resources into the recertification votes a "smart move."

"It doesn't have the bells and whistles of formal recognition. But what you do have is strength in numbers. It's only going to be the most callous state employer that ignores that," Secunda said. "The problem is, beyond consideration, there is no stick backed up by the law to force them to do anything."

Republican state Rep. Robin Vos, who employs 20 non-union workers at a food packaging business and was a staunch supporter of Walker's collective bargaining plan, said he expects there will be informal talks with state employees.

"It's common sense to say we're going to talk with employees as a state," Vos said.

Democratic state Sen. Chris Larson of Milwaukee, one of 14 senators who fled to Illinois this summer in a vain attempt to block passage of the bill, said holding even informal talks with state employees would lead to a feeling of disenfranchisement among workers and raise the risk of serious job actions like strikes.

Walker's spokesman, Cullen Werwie, had no comment Thursday on unions' decision not to seek recertification votes.

In addition to requiring the votes to maintain certification, the new law also bans automatic dues withdrawal from union members' pay checks, forcing them to voluntarily contribute.

Union leaders have refused to say how many members are voluntarily paying dues. The statewide teachers union, the Wisconsin Education Association Council, announced in August it was laying off 42 people – 40 percent of its staff – as a cost-savings step.

Jeff Richter, a union member and analyst for the Public Service Commission, said he will continue to pay roughly $50 a month in dues and most of the 58 members of his unit also are voluntarily contributing.

"If your union is very active and you feel a part of it, there isn't a question in your mind why you would do this," he said.

Marty Beil, executive director of the 23,000-member Wisconsin State Employees Union representing largely blue-collar workers, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that none of the units in his group will seek recertification. He did not immediately return a message to The Associated Press on Thursday seeking comment.

Some small groups under the larger union umbrellas – including trade, local government and small school district unions – are opting to hold recertification votes.

But Kennedy said a recertification vote would have been cumbersome and cost up to $1 million for all AFT Teachers members. The new law requires a majority of all covered workers, not just those casting ballots, to approve in order for a union to remain certified.

Salary increases no greater than inflation was only item that even remained subject to bargaining under the state's new law, which took effect after months of divisive political wrangling and massive protests at the state Capitol. Unions lost the power to negotiate other issues like workplace safety standards, vacations and health care benefits – all of which had been subject to collective bargaining since Wisconsin became the first state to require it in 1959.

Labor leaders and lawmakers said they still hoped informal talks would continue.

"Prior to 1959 there wasn't official recognition and unions were very engaged in the workplace," said Bryan Kennedy, president of the 17,000-member American Federation of Teachers-Wisconsin. "The most important thing is unions are going to do what they did prior to 1959 and that is we're going to be the watchdogs for waste, fraud and abuse in these agencies."

Showing power through numbers – either in support or opposition to employer proposals – will be the model until unions win back the power to bargain a contract, Kennedy said.

"I'm confident we're going to continue to be a squeaky wheel," he said.

Experiences in other states without collective bargaining show public employees can still successfully work with employers to achieve their goals, said Paul Secunda, a labor law professor and program coordinator for the Marquette Labor and Employment Law Program in Milwaukee. He also called the Wisconsin unions' decision not to pour resources into the recertification votes a "smart move."

"It doesn't have the bells and whistles of formal recognition. But what you do have is strength in numbers. It's only going to be the most callous state employer that ignores that," Secunda said. "The problem is, beyond consideration, there is no stick backed up by the law to force them to do anything."

Unions in states without collective bargaining, such as Virginia and North Carolina, often turn to lobbying state legislatures and local governments when they can't reach informal deals to get what they want, said Ann Hodges, a labor law professor at the University of Richmond Law School in Virginia.

"I'm sure there's going to be a lot of trial and error," Hodges said of Wisconsin. "I think the benefit from the unions' point of view is you're not in the South. You have this tradition of unionization."

Republican state Rep. Robin Vos, who employs 20 non-union workers at a food packaging business and was a staunch supporter of Walker's collective bargaining plan, said he expects there will be informal talks with state employees.

"It's common sense to say we're going to talk with employees as a state," Vos said.

Democratic state Sen. Chris Larson of Milwaukee, one of 14 senators who fled to Illinois this summer in a vain attempt to block passage of the bill, said holding even informal talks with state employees would lead to a feeling of disenfranchisement among workers and raise the risk of serious job actions like strikes.

Walker's spokesman, Cullen Werwie, had no comment Thursday on unions' decision not to seek recertification votes.

In addition to requiring the votes to maintain certification, the new law also bans automatic dues withdrawal from union members' pay checks, forcing them to voluntarily contribute.

Union leaders have refused to say how many members are voluntarily paying dues. The statewide teachers union, the Wisconsin Education Association Council, announced in August it was laying off 42 people – 40 percent of its staff – as a cost-savings step.

Jeff Richter, a union member and analyst for the Public Service Commission, said he will continue to pay roughly $50 a month in dues and most of the 58 members of his unit also are voluntarily contributing.

"If your union is very active and you feel a part of it, there isn't a question in your mind why you would do this," he said.

Marty Beil, executive director of the 23,000-member Wisconsin State Employees Union representing largely blue-collar workers, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that none of the units in his group will seek recertification. He did not immediately return a message to The Associated Press on Thursday seeking comment.

Some small groups under the larger union umbrellas – including trade, local government and small school district unions – are opting to hold recertification votes.

But Kennedy said a recertification vote would have been cumbersome and cost up to $1 million for all AFT Teachers members. The new law requires a majority of all covered workers, not just those casting ballots, to approve in order for a union to remain certified.

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09:10 AM on 10/08/2011
The REVOLUTION has Begun.
The Republicans have created a very fast Growing MONSTER, that is rapidly spreading from one city to another all over the USA. The Republicans today___Like King George of England back in the early 1770's thought they had the situation under control and King George 'thought' he also had the upper hand.___Then before they knew what was going on the settlers organized and Revolted___just as we see happening now.
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12:09 PM on 09/26/2011
Of course the unions "opted" not to recertify, they would never have the votes and everyone knows it. At least half the public sector workers forced into the unions and forced to make contributions clearly have no interest.
hatenomor
DO FOR SELF. BLACK SELF DETERMINATION
11:33 AM on 09/26/2011
One down, forty nine more states to go. Good work, Walker, you be the man.
11:28 AM on 09/26/2011
Way to go Scott Walker, youput the power back in teh hands of the taxpayer. This law should be passed natiowide to reign in the RICO violating unions.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
06:12 PM on 09/25/2011
How long until those workers are miserable and the good ones are leaving?
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Chris Wundrow
11:42 AM on 09/25/2011
Walker is little more than the corrupt tool of the Koch brothers--it will come out in the wash, and then, he's finished!
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Lorenzo&BushH8ter
02:10 AM on 09/24/2011
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/130477953.html?page=1

Bye-bye Walkerkochastan.
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12:11 PM on 09/26/2011
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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JDShipley
I drink coffee, therefore I am.
11:08 PM on 09/23/2011
Bryan Kennedy's right: Employees should leak, whistle blow, report, deny payment for and whatever else is in their power for every kick back contract, every overblown expense account, every slip Walker and his appointees engage.
allforfoot
The "Right" is always "Right"
04:15 PM on 09/23/2011
ha ha. bye bye unions.
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drini
daughter of houdini
05:21 PM on 09/23/2011
You'll be laughing really really hard when you experience just exactly what your wish will bring to your door.

You know, when people tattle to the authorities, you DO know that before there is any action undertaken, they INVESTIGATE the reporter first? Wait for it.
10:41 AM on 09/23/2011
"In addition to requiring the votes to maintain certification, the new law also bans automatic dues withdrawal from union members' pay checks, forcing them to voluntarily contribute."

Why are Dems so afraid of choice? Why should gov't employees be forced to join a private organization?
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
06:14 PM on 09/25/2011
After watching the Republicans strip working Americans of everything they can, Democrats are of the opinion that people are not as inherently good and honest as we could wish. Sometimes, reality sucks.
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12:15 PM on 09/26/2011
So you are afraid to let people choose whether to join a union? Yeah, I can see where that would really suck. For the union.
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Phil-EA
10:12 AM on 09/23/2011
It’s not so surprising to see this. It’s true, that re-certification has been made much more difficult to achieve, but you have been seeing signs that not all union members were happy with the direction of their unions to begin with (http://eng.am/olIZmZ). In fact some polls suggest as many as 1 in 5 would outright vote to end their unions (http://eng.am/pQO0cp). Either way, you have to believe that in end, the biggest reward to the state and to its workers is the end of the forced union dues. No longer being forced to support an agenda that you don’t believe in should go a long way in stabilizing the interests of the state. Given the that this burden is now off many workers shoulders, you won’t have to see so much money being abused like in the recent recall elections where millions were poured into an election that ultimately had little bearing on the future of state legislation (http://eng.am/nWvjZP).
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JrayTo
10:06 AM on 09/23/2011
How does walker, effectively operate,in Wisconsin...knowing he disgusts entire electorate/state?
12:51 PM on 09/23/2011
even though I'm a armchair onlooker, looks like he's doing quite well, look at all the jobs that were saved, and today's economy, that's a good thing, but I'm sure you are looking at it a different way, huh?
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Chris Wundrow
11:40 AM on 09/25/2011
It's not 2012 yet, friend. Wisconsin is counting down the days unitl RECALL!
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12:15 PM on 09/26/2011
I'm sure the loony left in Dane County is counting something. Declining union dues for starters.
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Jeanette DeBella Bogue
pretty sure I'm going straight to hell....
09:13 AM on 09/23/2011
Just wait until they are like Texas. Perry created sooo many minimum wage jobs!
12:56 PM on 09/23/2011
I don't know if that's the case. I recently received an offer for a job in 'Tejas" for the loww 299 k's I'm a doc and it's a lot more than I'm making now. The recruiter told me she was from california but left because the state was collapsing
(Sorry to spoil your day with,facts.)
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Jeanette DeBella Bogue
pretty sure I'm going straight to hell....
01:25 PM on 09/23/2011
$299k per year? Nice for you as a doctor. Did Perry create 250k doctor jobs? How many of the jobs Perry created were NOT minimum wage? Facts, please.

BTW, you could never spoil my day.
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drini
daughter of houdini
01:58 PM on 09/23/2011
LOL.........hope you plan on renting since the property tax base will make your head spin off. In Austin it ranges from 2.7 to 4.3% depending on what part of town you live in. In Dallas, in the late '80's my sister's property taxes increased from $8000 to $12,000 in one year.

Then don't forget to factor in your car insurance which is hideous and is based on your zip code and how much driving you do. Hope you like 3 months of 100 plus temperatures, mosquitos, and high humidity too.

I was born there, lived there off and on most of my life and thankfully escaped from Austin (great city, horrid infrastructure, low pay) in January. Money isn't all there is in life, as you will learn some day.
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mtnlife96
No apology
08:34 AM on 09/23/2011
In virtually every issue, the "government out of our lives" crowd works diligently to insert the government in everything from education to the individual's workplace, bedroom and body.
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08:31 AM on 09/23/2011
The worst Unions are better than no Unions, Do you really want to trust the employer to do the right thing?
12:53 PM on 09/23/2011
I worked in a right to work state, didn't do too bad after 32 years.
11:32 AM on 09/26/2011
Really the ILWU is better than no union. Union violence must stop and the RICO violations must stop, the negotiating for items that increase costs besides compensation and benfits should not be allowed. If their is a workplace safety issue call OSHA.