What Would You Do About The Debt?

Debt

First Posted: 09/23/11 01:08 AM ET Updated: 11/22/11 05:12 AM ET

What should be done about America's debt? It's the $14 trillion question that continues to fuel debate in the halls of Congress and across dinner tables nationwide. To the delight of frustrated supporters and chagrin of emboldened critics, President Obama came out uncharacteristically swinging this week -- announcing in a Rose Garden speech his plan for $3 trillion in savings, which includes new taxes for the wealthy, a so-called millionaires tax and the elimination of loopholes and deductions.

During his speech, the president's newly populist message tried to preempt his critics' inevitable line of attack by declaring, "This is not class warfare. It's math." And sure enough, the party line from the opposition party has been just that: Taxing the rich, they claim, is a socialist tactic that punishes achievement, and taxing anyone in a teetering economy would push us all over the edge.

When trying to underscore the need to rein in the skyrocketing debt, supporters often make the analogy that if families have to balance their checkbooks, then so too should the federal government. But that analogy doesn't really hold up. It's more appropriate to think of the United States as a business -- one that has up years and down years, requiring operational adjustments based on how much money it spends and how much it brings in.

With that in mind, we decided to ignore the politics and politicians and ask a group of people who actually run businesses what they would do about the debt. We just may see some members of our Board of Directors running for office soon.

Rob Adams

Director, Texas Venture Labs at the University of Texas
"The Validator"

"Anyone who has ever run a business knows you can’t budget your way to prosperity -- if you want to succeed, you need to increase revenues. The same is true of the government. You can trim budgets, but if you want to succeed, you need to commensurately raise revenues. In plain and simple terms, this means if you want to fix the deficit problem, you also need to raise taxes."

Eric Ryan

Co-Founder and Chief Brand Architect, Method
"The Soap Guy"

"Only good things can come from reducing the deficit. There are so many inefficiencies in government that can be cut -- it's the same way that a business finds it can do so much with less money. Whenever you're at the end of a capital cycle and you look at the burn rate, you'll see that you go through it too quickly the first half and slow it down the second half. The fourth quarter tends to be the most efficient quarter of a business because it puts so much scrutiny on delivering the number. And you can always be assured that a lot of inefficiencies or waste tend to get stomped out at the end of the year. Therefore, reducing the deficit will help ensure more efficiencies in the government."

Clint Greenleaf

Founder and CEO, Greenleaf Book Group
"The Cowboy"

"The real question here is, 'What stimulates growth better -- government investment or private investment?' If you think the government is the driver, then redistributing wealth is the right plan. On the other hand, if you believe private investment is the way to grow, as I do, then taxing job creators is the exact wrong approach. The Laffer Curve shows us that when we lower tax rates, government tax receipts go up. It's counterintuitive on it's face, but it's been proven over time.

"If I were in charge, I'd slash spending across the board, cut tax rates and loopholes, and get the hell out of the way of private investors."


Rieva Lesonsky

Founder and CEO, GrowBiz Media
"The Beacon"

"If I could solve the debt crisis, I would run for office. (I could never win, however.) I really can’t figure out how to say this without sounding partisan, so I’ll let someone else say it for me: In the early 2000s I was at an event where John McCain said it was foolish to cut taxes -- and then go to war. Sounds about right to me."

Tate Chalk

Founder and CEO, Nfinity
"The Matador"

"The answer is super simple but Congress doesn't have the courage to act on it: Move to a consumption tax of all non-essential items. 1) It would be fair. Everyone would have to pay their 'fair share.' Those who make more money would spend more money and be taxed on it. It would also tax all of the people in the United States who get paid in cash. They would still spend and would be taxed. 2) It would allow for less corruption. The more "rules" the more open to corruption. 3) It would be more efficient. Could collect more money from fewer sources with fewer people checking up on tax code. The tax code would be much simpler.

"Will this latest plan impact our business? Who are these supposed 'millionaires' President Obama is talking about? Small-business owners across America, because of the way business entities are taxed. Right now, most small-business income is taxed straight through to the individual, whether it shows up in our bank account as cash or just phantom 'profit.' They want to change that? To encourage small business to keep money in the company? Now that's something I can get behind."


Tom Szaky

Founder, TerraCycle
"The Eco-Capitalist"

"It's hard to argue with closing loopholes for special interests -- with ExxonMobil's profits up 53 percent, it's clear there's no need for a federal subsidy there, and it would allow for lowering the corporate tax rate. As CEO of a small company, I could only wish for that kind of corporate welfare, but would welcome the lower corporate rate.

"Allowing the Bush-era tax cuts to expire -- and enacting the Buffett Rule, for that matter -- is also a no brainer. Those of us who benefit from the American marketplace shouldn't balk at supporting it.

"The issue is that none of the measures in the plan will affect non-discretionary spending, which is the real challenge, both politically and fiscally."


Phil Town

Investor and Author of Rule #1 And Payback Time
"Rebelman"

"The debt isn't the issue right now. In spite of our lowered bond rating, nobody is worried about America defaulting. We can fix the debt. What we have to do right now is get the economy moving.

"The problem is that the president thinks he can get it moving by hiring people to do government jobs using my money. I wouldn't object so much if I wasn't using the money already, but I am. I'm an investor. I invest my money in businesses that I think are likely to be successful -- meaning businesses that will grow, hire more people, buy more supplies, rent more real estate and, yes, pay more taxes. The president wants to take the money I'm putting into your business and give it to a construction guy so he can get off unemployment. Does he really think that his construction guy is a better investment than you? Why? The construction guy isn't going to hire anybody else, but you are. Why aren't you, the small-business owner, the guy the President is most worried about, since you as a group are the people who put other people to work? And I'm the guy who gives you the money.

"Wouldn't it make more sense to lower the taxes I'm paying so I can invest in more businesses? Last year, my wife and I paid out over $250,000 in taxes to the Feds. That might not be a lot of money to pay in taxes, but it might have made one heck of a difference invested in the right startup.

"The president wants to take my money and build a bridge. If I thought that would make the economy grow, I'd be all for it, but if government spending projects worked, the Soviet Union and Cuba would be utopias. Instead, they're bankrupt because there is no growth of capital inherent in a bridge. Bridges do not compound their investment capital and expand into more bridges. But if you have a great idea, the skill to pull it off and the capital to grow, your business can expand itself over and over again.

"If the president raises our taxes, you lose. If you lose, we lose. No bridge is going to fix this economy. Only you are. With our money. But only if we have it to risk on you. It's that simple."


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What should be done about America's debt? It's the $14 trillion question that continues to fuel debate in the halls of Congress and across dinner tables nationwide. To the delight of frustrated suppor...
What should be done about America's debt? It's the $14 trillion question that continues to fuel debate in the halls of Congress and across dinner tables nationwide. To the delight of frustrated suppor...
 
 
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jsgaetano 01:53 AM on 09/23/2011
End ALL corporate welfare to the Pollution Industry. End ALL corporate welfare to the financial fraud industry and the insurance fraud industries and the banking fraud industries. End the two failed and fraud-based BushWars. Stop any and all "Big Gubment Handouts" to Red States (they don't want it, and we don't want to give it to them... so it's a win-win!). Slash the "defense" budget like Jason Voorhees.  Read More...
09:01 AM on 11/11/2011
A lot of Kool Aid drinkers, for sure.
12:22 PM on 11/03/2011
As usual the the rich say lower taxes and we will hire more. Once again we hear the same old republican mantra. Cut taxes and there will be more jobs. We have had the Bush Tax cuts for ten years now. How many jobs have they created.None. Tax cuts create profit. The corporations then use that money to go overseas and make the trade deficit even worse. The corporations use every loophole that they can. They are not patriotic and sell to our enemies by using a division that does not recognize UN sanctions.The right seems to want to get rid of the Constitution and let the Corporations run things. If you think that fascism is a good thing then when Haliburton controls the country you will see what real fascism is .The right and the conservative Supreme Court has sold out the American people. If you make less than $100,000 a year and vote for a republican you are voting against yourself.
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Lamar Chapman III
Spirit-Filled Believer! Forensic Litigation!
09:50 PM on 10/30/2011
Greetings America:

The U. S. Debt is not a really big problem. All we have to do is go around the world and collect for all the wartime security that we have provided for all of the countries in Northern Africa. I refuse to say the "Middle east". We have money due for our services. We can be paid in U.S. Currency; gold or oil! We can reduce the size of the U.S. Treasury and establish collection agents for collecting our Northern Africa debts. We already know who these countries are and how much they owe.

We should also establish import taxes for all countries sending foreign trade into this country for retail sales. This tax should be tied directly into our trade difference with the exporting country and the funds should be used only for reducing our debt. Let's get back to business!

LAMAR C. CHAPMAN III
Oak Brook, Illinois
10:25 AM on 10/08/2011
Eliminate Income Tax... and TAX the FEDERAL RESERVE. Apply a 10% tax on every dollar they create out of thin air and we'd lick the debt in no time!
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Gottlieb
hated by left since 1973 and right since 1982
12:28 AM on 10/03/2011
I am impressed. I haven't heard "The "Laffer Curve" touted in years. A nice way to announce you are not reality based.
12:42 PM on 10/01/2011
This balanced budget amendment was not put in the constitution for a reason.
09:10 AM on 11/11/2011
A balanced budget amendment is asinine.

What's wrong with the pay-go law that was passed in the 90's? It actually worked, more or less.

Why not re-instate that?
12:38 PM on 10/01/2011
Businesses generally do not use the same business plan for 400 years.
12:37 PM on 10/01/2011
But that is the reason the government is not quite a business.Working off a set of business plans called the constitution of the us.So some of the principles you use in business to cut budgets ends up more harm full than good in government
12:32 PM on 10/01/2011
I would start by cutting half the senators and assemblymen.
05:52 PM on 09/28/2011
We could start by giving the current congress one year unpaid vacation, limiting all to 2 terms, and letting them get only social security and IRA/401's like the rest of us for those maximum 2 terms.
06:49 PM on 09/27/2011
Give us some news about the occupation of Wall St.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09/27-2
I want information. Tell us about what might become our Arab Spring.
08:48 AM on 09/27/2011
Get the Big Guy's out of the Way ! Large Corporations have to satisfy their stock holders. They are in a position to spend money to supress competition , They create laws governing business licenses , locations,financing,rebates,tax incentives and technology. If they don't have it they spend the money so that You can't use what Your firm has created. In the energy sector our firm has developed and patented a replacement for the 4 ft. flourescent tube, it can be retro fitted inexpensively.2 tubes& a driver for less than $70.00 , it can be repaired and it has a 5 year guarantee with a 18 month ROI but there isn't any money for the change outs. There is money for CFL's that stink but not for an LED replacement like ours. If firms and local governments changed over we could stop the building of new power plants for 20 years, reduce pollution, reduce harmful deposits in our land fills,create thousands of jobs , and have all the clients save 65% of the operating expense Allowing them to use the new found funds to keep jobs that are in danger of being eliminated and also create more, especiallyin the school systems without raising taxes. Don't You think there should be some financial incentive here , lol what a joke.
frank1946
Tell the Truth
08:02 AM on 09/27/2011
INTERNAL CURRENCY DEVALUATION, works everytime, South American Nations have
done this for decades !

Every 5 Years you Issue a new "Dollar" that is worth 80 % of the previous one, just change
the color of the Ink.

Works wonders for Social Security and other serial type Obligations like Medicare.
05:54 PM on 09/28/2011
We are doing this now without even having to print different money. The decline of the dollar does the same thing.
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Michael Lindley
American in Paris
01:40 AM on 09/27/2011
While a diversity in opinion is fun and games, only Rob is right. Phil Town obviously doesn't know the Koch brothers have increased their wealth from $34 billion in 2007 to $50 billion in 2011 while decreasing their payroll from 80,000 down to 67,000 people. The Bush Tax Cuts are still in place? Why aren't the Koch brothers hiring? Best Buy won't turn around it's fortunes by cutting staff. Apple is growing sales and it's payroll. This is a no brainer: tax increases on EVERYONE is the only way to go.
01:00 AM on 09/27/2011
1. Cut war costs. 2. Consumption taxes to collect from underground economy. 3. Simplify and eliminate special tax breaks. 4. Means test social security and Medicare. 4. More preventive health care 5. Don't subsidize sugary and processed foods. 6. Get private money out of campaigns. 7. Consolidate overlapping governmental bodies. 9. End corporate bailouts and let new capital take over dead financial companies.