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California Governor Jerry Brown Approves 'Amazon Tax Compromise'

MARCUS WOHLSEN   09/23/11 07:14 PM ET  AP

SAN FRANCISCO — Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation Friday that postpones new sales taxes rules that would have affected online purchases in California, granting more time for traditional and online retailers to lobby Congress for a national standard on the high-stakes issue.

The bill, crafted as a compromise among Amazon.com, traditional retailers and California lawmakers searching for ways to raise revenue, delays until at least September 2012 online tax rules that were implemented as part of this year's state budget package.

Under the compromise, Amazon will drop a ballot referendum planned for next year to overturn the law passed earlier in the summer, a move that promised an ugly and expensive campaign fight between online and traditional retailers.

"When you get two threats, that gives you an opportunity to find a compromise," Brown said after he signed the bill at Gap Inc. offices in San Francisco. "Hopefully, (the bill) will set an example for our colleagues in Washington that they too can cooperate."

If that effort fails, Amazon has agreed to start collecting sales tax from California customers. The budget bill signed previously by Brown forced more online retailers to collect the state sales tax effective July 1. The move prompted Amazon to cut ties with some 25,000 affiliate businesses in California and spend more than $5 million to collect signatures for the ballot referendum.

The compromise bill will cost California an estimated $200 million in tax revenue during the current fiscal year but helps both sides avoid a costly election contest and the possibility of legal challenges. State taxing authorities estimate that California loses at least $83 million a year in uncollected state and local use tax attributed to Amazon's sales.

Under the deal, the retailing giant will rekindle its relationship with its California affiliates and has promised to create at least 10,000 full-time jobs and hire 25,000 seasonal employees in the state by the end of 2015.

At the bill signing, Amazon's vice president of global public policy, Paul Misener, said the company would bring $500 million in investment to California over the next several years, mainly in the form of massive distribution centers.

Misener praised the spirit of compromise he said led to the deal and said he was optimistic federal lawmakers could also find a way to collaborate, despite partisan gridlock.

"The sales tax issue must be resolved in Congress," he said. "We are committed to going to Washington."

When asked how he expected to persuade Congress to unite around a new tax policy in an election year, Brown quipped: "When we find an answer to that, we're going to solve a lot more problems."

Consumers are required under state law to pay sales tax when they order online from companies out of state, but the tax is virtually impossible to enforce without the cooperation of the retailers. Customers rarely pay.

Traditional retailers, from Wal-Mart to local business owners, say the inability to police taxation on the Internet creates an uneven playing field, with online retailers gaining an unfair advantage.

A 1992 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in a case involving a mail-order retailer says a business must only collect state tax from customers if it has a physical presence in the state where they live, such as a retail store. Several states responded by trying to broaden the definition of physical presence. At least six states had done so by 2010 while nine more, including California, launched similar legislative attempts this year.

California's version, under the bill signed earlier this summer, imposed tax-collection duties on a company if it used marketing affiliates in the state to refer customers or if it had sister companies in California, such as Amazon's Silicon Valley company that developed the Kindle electronic book reader. Internet retailers such as Amazon and Overstock.com said that violated the Supreme Court ruling.

Amazon and the California Retailers Association worked out the compromise in the final days of the legislative session to postpone the tax measure and allow the online and traditional retail lobbies to make a unified push in Washington for a national standard.

The compromise also had the blessing of the California Chamber of Commerce and traditional retailers such as Barnes & Noble Inc., Best Buy Inc., Crate & Barrel, Sears, Target Corp. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

"Amazon's concession to finally begin collecting sales tax in California is a ground-breaking moment that sends a strong message to Washington that it is time to stop giving special treatment to a select few," Bill Dombrowski, president of the California Retailers Association, said in a statement released by the governor's office. "All retailers deserve the chance to compete, grow and create jobs on a level playing field, without government picking winners and losers."

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07:09 PM on 11/15/2011
This is all crap! I love Amazon. All Californians already pay ridiculous amounts in taxes!! Just because our lame Government can't manage the money, why should amazon consumers have to pay. Let's get rid of some of those high paying government jobs and get someone who can look deeply at the wasteful spending and fix it! That won't happen! I'm sick and tired of paying high taxes only to see Jerry Brown live in a mansion and do nothing!! Our government is just one big lie after another!! I say protest California taxes Period!!!!
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Mister Grumpy
An Angry American
01:45 PM on 09/26/2011
Seems Amazon is too big to tax.............
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AMCD
I'm one of the 99%
11:59 AM on 09/26/2011
I love using Amazon. That being said, they need to have the same tax rules as local business'. The reason for no tax on internet purchases was to allow the internet retailers to mature. Internet is all grown up now.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:58 PM on 09/25/2011
Stop expecting big Corporations to do the right thing! Corporations are obligate by law to maximize shareholder profits, that makes the sociopaths. Watch "The Corporation". That why we need a strong Republic to control the market and the enterprise, lest it turn on us and destroy us.

"When economic power became concentrated in a few hands, then political power flowed to those possessors and away from the citizens, ultimately resulting in an oligarchy or tyranny." John Adams

"I hope we shall . . . crush in [its] birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations." Thomas Jefferson

Vote for the Kucinich type CPC progressive Caucus folks,The Progressive Democrats of America, in the primaries, and the dems in the general.
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Organic-Guy
Organic Gardener, Carpenter, Philosopher, Agitator
12:11 PM on 09/25/2011
The only law we need is the constitution for this one which has the commerce clause which says that sates cannot regulate interstate trade and the supreme court on many occasions has rightly said that any tax is a regulation ergo no state can reach out into another state and collect taxes there. This aint complicated folks. I'm not one of these modern day anti-tax extremists either. I just studied this in civics classes for years in elementary school and high school when it seems, most of our politicians were sleeping with their heads on the desk drooling out of the side of their mouths!
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brokerallen
The Middle Class Needs To Take Back America
02:29 AM on 09/25/2011
The deal is the right thing to do. The issue needs to be decided on a Federal level and applied to everyone.
01:08 AM on 09/25/2011
This deal is being touted just about everywhere as a good thing. And, it does seem to be a good thing, but I hope those new jobs don't turn out to be like the warehouse jobs which have been featured in the news lately.
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brandon20678
Corporations have 99 problems and I'm 1
08:38 PM on 09/24/2011
I use Amazon for all my purchases, but if companies can't pay taxes they should not be allowed to get government contracts. These are the same companies that republicans are protecting.
MtnGeek
Partisan thinking is an oxymoron
01:26 PM on 09/26/2011
What government contracts does Amazon have? Are you talking about federal or state government contracts?
12:33 PM on 09/24/2011
I wish that I could throw a hissy fit and get a "compromise" on how much taxes I pay. But then the rest of you would have to pay your fair share AND part of mine.
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01:48 PM on 09/24/2011
It's not a question of how much Amazon pays, it's a question of how much Amazon's *customers* pay.

If the cost having CA affiliates is 8% or so to their customers, even on goods purchased from their non-CA affiliates, they can certainly opt to not have any CA affiliates. The state is setting a price for doing business with CA affiliates. There's no reason why their business needs affiliates in state; it's just that a lot of affiliates who wanted to partner with amazon also happen to be from CA.
MtnGeek
Partisan thinking is an oxymoron
01:27 PM on 09/26/2011
You can't threaten to leave and take thousands of jobs with you. Power gives the chance to negotiate a compromise. In the same way that unions have empowered workers to get fair working conditions, corporations use their power to negotiate tax breaks and other incentives.
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
11:18 AM on 09/24/2011
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/the-success-of-amazon-welfare-as-we-should-know-it/

Just another corporation.  Just another free ride.

Hey, "corporations are people".  Where are OUR tax breaks and subsidy and bailouts?  Or are we not citizens and constituents?
10:16 AM on 09/24/2011
Amazon 1
CA 0
Lol 100
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
11:41 AM on 09/24/2011
Be careful what you wish for, re: "LOL"...
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DRaymond
Network administrator, voiceovers
12:17 AM on 09/24/2011
Always be suspicious when somebody surrenders too much too easily.

Amazon has fought having to collect sales tax too hard in other states to give up so easily in the biggest state in the country in terms of their customers..

Suddenly supporting the Main Street Fairness Act in Congress would be a huge change for them.

The 'committment' ot open distribution centers in California is not binding.

The California affiliates program was reinstated but could just as easily be eliminated again.

What was pushing them was that Amazon realized that they could get their repeal on the ballot but that it would likely fail among the voters, in which case Amazon would be due back taxes to California on sales that they had not collected from the customers (Sellers are required to pay sales taxes whether or not they collected them from the customer.)

So I suspect that they bought themselves one year to move the key personnel from their California subsidiary companies such as Lab126 (Which designs the Kindle) to Seattle. Then when the year is up they again pull the Affiliates program and say Nexus?  What Nexus?
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
11:19 AM on 09/24/2011
Agreed!
11:08 PM on 09/23/2011
There is a difference between paying sales tax and having a sales tax liability. If I buy something online from out-of-state, that merchant may not collect state sales tax, but I still have a tax liability and should pay use tax on my state income tax return.

Laws regarding Internet Sales tax don't change tax liability, just whether or not the merchants collect sales tax. One could argue that merchants who don't collect sales tax are just helping buyers evade paying their state tax liability.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:39 AM on 09/24/2011
"merchants who don't collect sales tax are just helping buyers evade paying their state tax liability."

That is exactly what they're doing and it gives them an unfair competitive advantage.
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techBob
whatever happened to peace, love and understanding
11:21 AM on 09/24/2011
Frank,
I disrespectfully disagree. Most merchants are following the laws as they currently exist. Sales tax is collected only from residents of the states that the company has a "nexus" in. ( Nexus is meant to imply where there is a physical presence, like a building or office space, maybe even a data center somewhere)
(needless to say I cannot speak for big boys with armies of lawyers and programmers whose objective is to maximize profits above abiding by the law)
While it's mostly unknown to the public, whenever anyone buys something and is not taxed they are supposed pay the tax to "their" states on their state tax return.
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techBob
whatever happened to peace, love and understanding
11:22 AM on 09/24/2011
Here is the problem:
Take my website for an example, the tiniest Internet retailer, bar none. I collect NJ sales tax only as my business is in NJ and no where else.( I have no affiliates do not outsource my distribution to another location or even have a physical store anywhere.) If I were required to collect every state, city and county tax and keep up with all the changes in real time I would have to go out of business due to the excessive burden. I cannot afford software to compute this complex algorithm, or to redevelop my website to accommodate this most unrealistic demand. How does a small fry pay the collected taxes to thousands of jurisdictions?
The simple solution is to have a universal "Internet sales tax" paid to one entity whose role would be to further distribute to the states. Even easier would be that the Internet tax money all goes to the state the retailer is based in, in other words if a CA resident buys from me they pay NJ tax, when someone in NJ buys something from CA, CA gets the tax money. Too bad sales tax varies wildly from state to state, city to city. It does not make it simple.
12:37 PM on 09/24/2011
I pay my "use tax" for California, and others should pay theirs as well; however, it is a hassle to have to keep track of my online purchases and calculate 7.75% of the total sales minus the amounts of tax that were paid to other states. Given the ability to automate everything else, including shipping to all 50 states, it's silly to think it's that difficult to collect taxes for different states.
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wilray
50,000 Screaming Fans (Ignore that other number)
10:26 PM on 09/23/2011
Actually, you don't get it, I don't live in California; I live in Washington State where Amazon is headquartered and where it originated.
MtnGeek
Partisan thinking is an oxymoron
01:30 PM on 09/26/2011
Don't get what? Next time, how about starting at the beginning so the rest of us have half a chance of following what you are talking about.
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wilray
50,000 Screaming Fans (Ignore that other number)
02:15 PM on 09/26/2011
Actually, it was a reply, that Huff-Po just decided to throw just anyplace. I am getting really tired of these type of Huff-Po glitches. Their interface is getting particularly annoying, and the monitoring can sometimes be overbearing. If this site doesn't improve, I may stay away for some time. They really should be able to do better, and they should stop the annoying pop up ads.
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UDKM2010
Life is better in Boardshorts.
08:23 PM on 09/23/2011
Sales tax in CA is pretty steep, I can see why consumers want to avoid it if possible. If CA would lower it down to 5% they may not lose so much to people buying online and maybe still collect as much. Worth a look anyway.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
09:51 PM on 09/23/2011
People can leave California if they don't want to pay the taxes.

You tax cheats disgust me.
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UDKM2010
Life is better in Boardshorts.
09:57 PM on 09/23/2011
I don't live there. I live on the right coast.
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rg4there
I use my brain. I must be Liberal.
10:18 PM on 09/23/2011
So you propose people move out of a state when the state can simply just look at the tax system?