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Jane Goodall Talks Women In Science

First Posted: 09/27/2011 9:22 am EDT Updated: 11/27/2011 4:12 am EST

When an 11 year-old Jane Goodall first began telling people in 1945 that she wanted to go to Africa, her declaration was often met with laughter.

Goodall, who loved apes ever since infancy, when her father gave her a stuffed chimpanzee named Jubilee, was rebuked for many reasons: "We didn't have any money and World War Two was raging ... but mostly because I was a girl -- I was the wrong sex," she told The Huffington Post. Her family, she said, told her, "Jane get real. You know girls don't do this kind of thing, living with animals in the forest."

Now 77, Goodall has become the world's leading expert on chimpanzees. She travels 300 days out of the year, and holds five professorships, 24 degrees and more than 60 awards. And she doesn't think being a woman kept her from "doing this kind of thing" at all.

"In fact," said Goodall, "my gender, I think it helped me."

She started her career as a secretary to paleoanthropologist Louis Leakey in Kenya and then Tanzania. Leakey first supported her desire to work out in the field. He "thought women made better observers," Goodall told journalist Ros Coward in 2004. Goodall didn't disagree.

"I think, actually, that probably had I been a male, I wouldn't have been pushing these anthropomorphic ideas that I had," Goodall said, referring to the correlation she soon began noting between human and primate behavior.

"I learned the tremendous importance of early experience in the lives of chimpanzee infants," Goodall said. "Good mothers, bad mothers, traumatic experiences in the first couple of years really do make a different in adult behavior. And of course human child psychiatrists today are emphasizing that this is true for human infants."

Goodall faced initial criticism from peers and professors at Cambridge because she gave her primate subjects names rather than numbers (deemed more scientific), anthropomorphizing them. But Goodall stuck with her convictions and began her influential research. And in some ways, she found the life of an anthropologist easier than the men around her did.

"Going out into the field as a [single] woman, there wasn't that urgency that most men felt back then, that they've got to be the breadwinner and they have to get on with the job and get their Ph.D. and get some kind of livelihood so that they can raise a family"

Goodall saw her independence as an asset.

"I was never competing for a woman's place in a man's world," Goodall said. "I wasn't interested in academia." (She entered the Cambridge Ph.D. program without a prior university degree .) "I didn't want to have some kind of tenure in a university."

Her gender worked in her favor, too, in her interactions with African communities, she said. She was doing field research in Tanzania just a year after the country gained independence and found that while there was a mistrust of white men who had controlled the country under colonialism, "They didn't see me as a woman being a threat -- they were much more likely to help me achieve what I wanted to achieve."

Although she was dubbed by her biographer "the woman who redefined man," Goodall also redefines the realities of young women around the world through her work with the Take Care Program at the Jane Goodall Institute.

"How could we even try to save the chimpanzees when the people were struggling to survive?" Goodall asked. "[We make a] holistic effort to help people to improve their lives with farming methods, programs working with women so that they can choose to own environmentally sustainable projects through microcredit loans, scholarships to keep girls in school and better health care."

Goodall knows how influential the support of a strong woman can be.

Goodall told HuffPost that she remembers the advice that her mother gave her when she announced her intended career path to a reticent audience.

"She used to say, 'If you really want something, and you work hard, and you take advantage of opportunities and you never give up, you will find a way'," Goodall said. "That's a message I've been able to bring to children, particularly girls, all around the world. It has been very, very useful to me."

On September 27 at 8pm ET, Jane Goodall will appear live in hundreds of select movie theaters across the country to discuss her career. The event will also debut "Jane's Journey," which features never-before-seen footage of her research and features Dave Matthews, Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron and Pierce Brosnan. Go to www.fathomevents.com/jane for ticketing information.

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03:22 PM on 10/07/2011
very cool trailblazer!
11:16 AM on 09/29/2011
saw her once on Plil Donue show once. She was totally awesome. Definitnly a treasure.
Randybostonterrier
Calling Republicans down on their BS
04:14 PM on 09/28/2011
I've also had a good feeling about Jane Goodall like she is a very sincere, hard working, sweet person and very interesting to listen to. How you bad mouth her at all, she has this wonderful passion about chimps and made it her life's work.
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neighborhoodmole
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01:27 PM on 09/27/2011
I think she was very fortunate to be in the right place at the right time. How many other brilliant women never got a chance because they were born in places and/or times that denied them the opportunity? Today, they sentenced women in Saudi Arabia to lashings just for driving a car!
albar
Republicans gathered in their political graves
12:50 PM on 09/27/2011
Nice Picture. Jane Goodall teaching Michelle Bachman; or is it Sarah Palin; or is it Perry

No matter, each of them would need some education
Zip Zinzel
If a Nation expects to be both Ignorant & Free . .
12:28 PM on 09/27/2011
I SOO envy Ms Goodall's experiences

It is next to impossible to keep primates as pets in Human Civilization, cuz' sooner or later- they eventually attack their human friends, because they are still just animals
Also similar the the Siegfried & Roy experience.

But apparently when you move in with them in the wild, they treat us humans as guests; and direct their agression on each other.

BTW A couple of days ago, I saw a great segment on the show "Human Planet", where amazon villagers made pets of all manner of animals of the forests.
Lizards, Rodents, & lots of different monkeys

I mean these pets come & go in and out of the village in very simple fashion.
The villagers feed and maintain their pets in a very loving & friendly manner.
Women in the village regularly 'nurse' baby primates right alongside their own children
AT THE SAME TIME, The men in the village frequently hunt Monkeys out in the forest as a regular source of meat- which is frequently fed to the villages pets as well
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forestlady
11:36 AM on 09/27/2011
My husband, a biologist, was fortunate enough to be able to attend a talk Ms. Goodall presented. This was many years ago and his eyes still tear up when he mentions it. She has such a beautiful, gentle spirit. I can easily understand why she chose to live amongst the primates rather than with humanity.
11:20 AM on 09/27/2011
Laura, I always look forward to your articles, but please don't say Jane Goodall holds 24 degrees. That's inaccurate. Clearly she's highly decorated with many "honorary degrees." There's a difference, and it's an important one to anyone who's earned theirs.

I have known only one preposterous person who started calling herself "Dr." when she received an honorary doctorate!
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forestlady
11:37 AM on 09/27/2011
Ms. Goodall earned her degrees, same as anyone else. She did decades of field work, don't you think that is earning her degree? Just because she didn't get her information out of a textbook, doesn't mean she doesn't deserve a degreel.
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karen lyons kalmenson
i poem/paint, sometimes, i ain't
12:05 PM on 09/27/2011
this is TRUE learning
12:29 PM on 09/27/2011
You're exactly right.
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ChaCubed
Fabulously Liberal
10:56 AM on 09/27/2011
Amazing woman.

I wonder how successful this movie theater event will be. It's an interesting concept. I think it would be great to have an audience discussion time afterwards.
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jrmjake1
10:51 AM on 09/27/2011
To the primate of any species, women do not pose the perceived threat as perhaps a man just by mere size alone. The gentle spirit of humans can be detected quite rapidly by the animal kingdom. Steve Irwin was a great example. As amicable a person one could find in real life, his antics mimic those of many of the animals they find in their world. Playfulness is taught and learned everywhere and Steve posed no threat, and they knew it. He would wrestle with gators at times, but still they had come to expect he was no threat. Jane Goodall has a TREMENDOUS heart and spirit. I once learned from a wise man "What is the great threat to a man.......another man? What is the greatest threat to a small man....... a large man? What is the greatest threat to a woman........a man? What is the greatest threat to a child........a man? What is the greatest threat to an animal.........a man? I guess the common denominator you can figure is .....................?
10:14 AM on 09/27/2011
Is there a way I can block all articles from the women section ending up on my main page?
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lex parsimoniae
10:35 AM on 09/27/2011
Are you a misogynist or a misanthrope?
10:39 AM on 09/27/2011
No just a neanderthal!
12:30 PM on 09/27/2011
Or, perhaps, just waiting for the Men Page to appear? In the name of, you know, equality and the fight against, well, sexism?
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Tao-Chan
Making you feel smug & superior since 1949
10:41 AM on 09/27/2011
Yes there is.
Mix one can of Drano into a quart of Jack Daniels and drink it all down.
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NoMercy
Member Since October 2005
11:34 AM on 09/27/2011
As my sole LOL today - literally, tears and all - I had to fan and fave you.

Thank you!
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drsolo
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10:13 AM on 09/27/2011
A long time ago it was evident that Goodall was able to see patterns of behavior such as maternal inheritance of status because she had not bought into the dominant male social, political and scientific view points. Only women, like Goodall and Fossey had the patience to collect the observations and let the evidence speak for itself.
11:22 AM on 09/27/2011
I agree with this view. Mostly women, but also some men, researchers who avoided academic trappings have made some of the clearest, most important observations about behavior that only now academics are beginning to warm to. The recently-late Jean Liedloff had such an experience with the Yequana Indians in South America as did Colin Turnbull with the Efe in Africa. As a practicing scientist, I know full well how the scientific "culture" runs primarily on bias and produces brilliant discoveries more by accident than design.....
11:24 AM on 09/27/2011
A toast to these impeccable scientists! I look at outrageous human medicine studies of the not-so-distant past all the time, and the biases of their male authors because of preformed cultural assumptions is astounding. We've all made much progress -- with much to go.
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maori
10:04 AM on 09/27/2011
Thanks so much.

More women in math and the sciences will change the world for the better.

I was raised in a backward, cruel culture that said girls who were 'too smart', or interested in certain things were lesbians, or simply not girls at all. I know this was primarily done to keep girls 'in their place', and not grow up to make men feel insecure or unnecessary, but it can still be very damaging.

Raising girls to think being dumb is 'feminine' does a disservice to all of humanity.
Or better yet, men defining what's feminine do a disservice to all of humanity.
12:34 PM on 09/27/2011
As do women defining what's masculine, like the (mostly) female teachers who have their boy students fed ritalin if they act like normal boys instead of like girls. Half of my family are or have been teachers, and they all--male and female, in 3 different states--say this happens regularly.
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SusPiShus
I think, therefore...
11:57 AM on 09/28/2011
Well, half of your family is certainly a scientific study. Especially if they are "objective" like you. What does acting like a "normal boy" instead of "a girl" mean? Please list these characteristics for us. Yikes!!
06:29 PM on 09/28/2011
Female teachers do not put boys on Ritalin. That is done by doctors, mostly male, who have diagnosed the boys with ADHD after parents complain to the physician about the boy's behavior. Boys suffer more from ADHD, autism and a number of other mental disorders than girls do. ADHD is real, brain scans show that neuronal firing patterns in the brains of ADHD children are abnormal; the ADHD interferes with their learning ---- without treatment, these chidren fall further and further behind.

If you really cared about boys, instead of posting ignorance here, you would be investigating how nature deficit impacts boys, you would advocate against the use of herbicides, pesticides and endocrine disruptors in the food and environment that impact brain development in children.
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wontbfooledagain
Look out kid, it's somethin' you did (Dylan)
10:03 AM on 09/27/2011
Thank you Jane, for a lifetime of work and for being so articulate in describing your work with the chimpanzees, observations about the environment, and your conclusions about our human relationships and role in the natural world.