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Paul Krugman: U.S. Economy Needs 'The Financial Equivalent Of War'

Paul Krugman

First Posted: 09/28/2011 2:03 pm Updated: 03/ 2/2012 12:16 pm

Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize-winning Princeton economist and New York Times columnist, said Tuesday that the United States needs to spend on a scale similar to World War II in order to escape an extended economic slump.

"What we need is actually the financial equivalent of war," he said during a talk at the 92nd Street Y in Manhattan. "What actually brought the Great Depression to an end was the enormous public spending program otherwise known as World War II."

World War II boosted government spending to 42 percent of total U.S. output, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Krugman said that while a fiscal stimulus program does not have to be on the scale of World War II, ideally it would involve "useful" infrastructure projects such as repairing bridges and sewer systems and building a railway tunnel between New Jersey and New York.

He said that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, though expensive, have not stimulated the economy because in comparison to the country's total output, "this is not big spending." The cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan peaked at just 1.2 percent of GDP, while the Vietnam war was nearly twice as expensive, at 2.3 percent of U.S output, according to Bloomberg.

"We have not had the kind of aggressive policies either from the Fed or from the federal government that the depth of the crisis really calls for," Krugman said.

Krugman said he believes that the Federal Reserve should print more money to spur "above-average" inflation for five years, raising prices to bring down both unemployment and debt. The overhang of household debt has largely caused and prolonged the economic downturn, he said. The Fed's response so far has been "marginal," such as its recent decision to reshuffle $400 billion of its portfolio from short-term to long-term securities, Krugman said, since $400 billion would only make a dent in the multi-trillion-dollar U.S. bond market.

Krugman is not the only economist to advocate for inflation from the Federal Reserve to spur economic growth. Harvard economist Kenneth Rogoff has said that moderate inflation could help save the United States from a lost decade by getting rid of some household debt. Rogoff told the Boston Globe that while it would be ideal for banks to forgive the debt of some homebuyers and renegotiate the debt of others, so far largescale renegotiation has not occurred, so inflation would be the next best option to enable consumers to reemerge from a mountain of debt and start spending again.

Krugman also warned that the possible breakup of the European Union and failure of European banks could have a devastating effect on American economic recovery, similar to that of the collapse of the major Austrian bank Credit-Anstalt in 1931, which "made the Great Depression great." Now, he said, the European Union has "no safety valves" to deal effectively with the sovereign debt crisis.

Last month, Krugman said half-jokingly on a television program that the United States would be well served to prepare for a fabricated alien attack.

"If we discovered that, you know, space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat and really inflation and budget deficits took secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months," he said.

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Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize-winning Princeton economist and New York Times columnist, said Tuesday that the United States needs to spend on a scale similar to World War II in order to escape an exte...
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dbrett480
05:23 PM on 10/01/2011
We already are in two wars, you would think the spending would have increased already.
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mburgh
Come Back Samuel Gompers
11:10 AM on 09/30/2011
The entire infrastructure of the US is failing. Schools need to be built and rebuilt. Supertrains and green power. All of this should be done, and then many of our problems will vanish. Paul Krugman is correct more times than a digital clock.
WonderingNThinking
Think Before We Sink
12:31 AM on 09/30/2011
Nice sarcasm Krugman. I don't know how else to take what you are saying because to take it literally destroys all my faith in the advice of high profile economists.
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Bruce Fenton
Global emerging markets & economics
11:00 PM on 09/29/2011
And when has he ever been right so far?
08:05 AM on 09/30/2011
actually in an article a few months ago that measured pundits accuracy gave Krugman top honors. In other words he was right more often then any others. So take your snarky comment and choke on it
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Bruce Fenton
Global emerging markets & economics
08:33 AM on 09/30/2011
So far I've heard him say spend spend spend --- I dont see much improvement. (although I admit, his plans have been GREAT if you happen to be a military contractor, Wall St bonus bailout baby, big pharma exec or big insurance exec.)
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10:04 PM on 09/29/2011
But, if the metaphor is "war", who are we at war with? Who has done us the most harm?

Oh, yeah - the Financial Sector of the economy.

If we take some banksters captive as prisoners-of-war, do they get rights under the Geneva convention? Or do we pack them off to Guantanamo Bay?

When do the tanks roll up Wall Street?
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
02:20 AM on 09/30/2011
Soon, against the protesters.
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mburgh
Come Back Samuel Gompers
11:13 AM on 09/30/2011
Let's see. GOP's War on Drugs ain't done so much, except for Private prisons. How about LBJ's War on Poverty that Nixon curtailed. How about war on our aging transportation system and public schools? How about on abuses of the too rich.
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sanfran55
09:06 PM on 09/29/2011
Many houses are still ridiculously overpriced, especially in key market areas, and have no relation to the average salary of the workers in the area. Many people can't sell and relocate to a new job because they are upside down on their mortgage.

Until this whole housing mess is addressed and fixed, including the "hidden inventory" of foreclosed homes, there will be no economic recovery.
08:59 PM on 09/29/2011
No, the slump would not be over because we wouldn't respond any more than we did to the potential for significant terrorist attacks before the fact, until the Aliens had come; and, hopefully, imposed a rational government.

All of those "GIs" that would be working on infrastructure for years would eventually need to come back into the non-subsidized workforce. How is that going to work when industry has been exported? What domestic jobs will this need for material produce?

This "war" cannot ignore the need for establishing new and re-establishing actual production to the extent that supports the population.
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Marci Economidis
my job-creator already has a maid
08:35 PM on 09/29/2011
"Rogoff told the Boston Globe that while it would be ideal for banks to forgive the debt of some homebuyers and renegotiate the debt of others, so far largescale renegotiation has not occurred, so inflation would be the next best option to enable consumers to reemerge from a mountain of debt and start spending again."

Hmmmm..... So Universal Principal Reduction for all mortgage holders, especially those who are paying their mortgages and not in default might be a good idea ?

It might free up money for consumer spending which will spur the economic recovery?

It would be fair and taxpayers who have bailed out the banks already deserve this.
07:33 PM on 09/29/2011
Poor Paul Krugman says the same thing over and over. Does it matter whether a pundit is right or wrong if he's irrelevant? Like Obama, Krugman suffers from being an academic.

Everyone knows that priming the pump got us out of the Great Depression. The interesting issue/question is why have the only funds been directed to corporations and not to little people?

Everyone in power knows that Krugman is correct - but why do they continue to do nothing. That is what the New York Times - and Krugman - should be writing about. Then maybe people in power would pay attention to Krugman.
wsdave
Abusive or Insulting? I won't be responding.
09:15 PM on 09/29/2011
"Everyone knows that priming the pump got us out of the Great Depression­."

Link?
06:34 PM on 09/29/2011
If the US spent trillions of dollars building renewable energy infrastructure and a fully integrated energy grid, "We the People" could sell the energy at cost plus less-than-free-market profits and recover the trillions in very short order, In fact, if the energy grid were totally socialized I'd bet that the profits would fund healthcare and all our social programs without the need to have taxes.
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
02:22 AM on 09/30/2011
Careful, mustn't take things off big business. The big utilities are also good for the politician who lost his/her seat.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
04:51 PM on 09/29/2011
Taibbi: That this was a brazen case of insider manipulation was so obvious that even Sen. Chris Dodd,, couldn't help but remark on it when questioning Christopher Cox, then-chief of the Securities and Exchange Commission. "I would hope that you're looking at this," Dodd said. "This kind of spike must have triggered some sort of bells and whistles at SEC. This goes beyond rumors."

, yes, he would look into it. What actually happened is another matter. Although SEC issued 50 subpoenas to Wall Street firms, it has yet to identify mysterious trader who somehow seemed to know in advance that one of largest investment banks in America was going to completely tank in days. "I’ve seen SEC send agents overseas in simple insider-trading case to investigate profits of $2,000," says Baker, a former senior counsel for commission. "But they did nothing to stop this."

The SEC's halfhearted oversight didn't go unnoticed by market. after Bear was eaten by predators, virtually same scenario repeated itself in case of Lehman Brothers — another investment bank that in September was vaporized in obvious case of market manipulation. From there, financial crisis was on, and global economy went into full-blown crater mode.

more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wall-streets-naked-swindle-20100405
in the Tale of Two Cities the peasants had an answer to the elitist, and it still works today:
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wsdave
Abusive or Insulting? I won't be responding.
09:17 PM on 09/29/2011
Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you a king.
04:26 PM on 09/29/2011
Gotta love the righties. When liberals tout the New Deal as countering the Great Depression, they say, no, WWII did. When you point out that that just means a big government spending program didn't work but a bigger one did, they search and search but can't seem to come up with a cogent answer.
wsdave
Abusive or Insulting? I won't be responding.
09:19 PM on 09/29/2011
Not so. WW2 had an advantage that the New Deal didn't: It destroyed the rest pf the world's manufacturing capacity.

The New Deal simply kicked the problem down the road for a generation, while the aftermath of WW2 actually did something to solve the problem.
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rybalaw
04:06 PM on 09/29/2011
We need a war to have prosperity? Which one would be expensive enough to do it? Iran? Pakistan? North Korea? the Peoples Republic of China?
04:21 PM on 09/29/2011
Got a dictionary? Look up equivalent.
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ritamary
09:40 PM on 09/29/2011
There are many commenters on HP who live to trash Paul Krugman. rybalaw was in such a hurry to trash Krugman he did not bother to read the post. I don't understand why they hate him so much. I think he is brilliant.
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The Knocker
a mind is a terrible thing to waste
05:03 PM on 09/29/2011
You are putting words into Krugman mouth, here is what he actually said:

"..said Tuesday that the United States needs to spend on a scale similar to World War II in order to escape an extended economic slump."
allforfoot
The "Right" is always "Right"
03:59 PM on 09/29/2011
I wonder if all Princeton graduates are as fargin stup.id as this too.bag.
04:20 PM on 09/29/2011
What's your theory on how we got out of the Great Depression?

While we're at it, where do you keep your Nobel Prize?
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ritamary
09:47 PM on 09/29/2011
allforfoot keeps his Nobel Prize next to all his New York Times columns and the best-selling books on economics he has written. That is why we value his opinions soooo much.
03:31 PM on 09/29/2011
Krugman is at war with reality.

And he is losing.
04:50 PM on 09/29/2011
What fault do you find with his position?
06:27 PM on 09/29/2011
The Government has already spent to the point that other nations are threatening to drop the Dollar,so spending more to get out of this depression is a good idea? Not.
You cannot spend your way out of a slump. it has been proven many times over. Japan anyone??
Best Approach ?To bring jobs back to America, drop half the rules and regulations which stifle Business . Companies don't go over seas because they can find cheap labor.They go there because there is much less regulation.Rid this country of half the rules and see how quickly Jobs begin to grow.I Know of 1 Company that has to buy 10 or more Licenses to operate each business.They have 1000 Businesses across the US. Think of the time, Money,and effort needed each year,to keep up with just that 1 item of business.
Our Government has this passion for starting over sight committees. When Corruption is found in Government ranks, instead of jailing these corrupt individuals, and hiring new(honest people to run that department) they keep the crooks in place, hire over site committees, to watch over and keep them honest. In reality, what happens is we get a 100 new government employees, who eventually are paid to look the other way so the crooks can continue stealing our tax dollars. So, now we have 2000 crooks instead of 1000. There is maybe 20 Departments in Our Government Body that could easily be eliminated by identifying the crooks, jailing them.