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What Kindle Fire Means For iPad: Can The Amazon Tablet Take Down Apple's Leader?


First Posted: 09/29/11 04:27 PM ET Updated: 09/29/11 05:20 PM ET

If there are two things we know from the last two years in tech news, it is these:

1. Never get involved in a land war in Asia.
2. Never try to compete against a tablet made by Apple.

The Amazon Kindle Fire, recently announced and ignited by Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, is poised to go toe-to-toe with the iPad this holiday season. Available for pre-order now and shipping on November 15 for $199, the well-timed Kindle Fire release could take away some of the moola Apple is certainly banking on from its iPad 2. Timing, however, isn't the only thing Amazon's new tablet has going for it in this fight against the champ, and here's why:

For the average brand-conscious, non-geek consumer, the $200 Amazon Kindle Fire can do just about everything the $500 WiFi-only iPad can do, except take a picture. (The Kindle Fire lacks webcam support.)

Let me explain.

Frankly, America is a nation of high school mean girls, and every tablet that came before the Kindle Fire was a loser with acne. This is so true that, according to my sources, Research In Motion was considering calling its first tablet the "BlackBerry JasonGilbert."

Seriously: Even before we knew anything accurate about the Amazon tablet -- before we knew its name, how much it cost, what it could do -- it was being called an iPad killer. Back in mid-July, a month before HP gave its doomed Touchpad tablet a Kevorkian-style mercy-killing and before Research In Motion announced its dismal BlackBerry PlayBook figures with the accompaniment of a sad trombone sound effect, electronics site Retrevo released the results of a survey that polled consumer's tablet preferences. Again, this is long before the Amazon tablet rumors had really gotten out of hand, and long before the mega-fails of the HP and RIM slates.

There were two key findings from this survey: First, that consumers would overwhelmingly consider buying a tablet running Android if it cost less than $250 (79 percent saying they would), and second, this:

Yes, a full, frothy-mouthed 55 percent of those polled claimed interest in a non-existent Amazon tablet; combine that with 8 out of 10 shoppers indicating $250 (which is, again, $50 more than the first-generation Kindle Fire will run for) as an enticing cost, and you have a hypothetically very attractive tablet out there, one that could significantly disturb the Apple finance ministry.

"Hey, wait a second!" you may be shouting out your computer screen, forehead vein bulging through your scalp, "Comparing the Kindle Fire, which is seven inches and costs $200 and has no camera or large storage options or built-in email client or mobile network connection with the 10-inch, $500 iPad 2, which has all of these, is ludicrous so step back!"

This is a fair point, one that has been reiterated by analysts from across the investment banking spectrum. The Kindle Fire is in a separate class of tablet than the iPad 2; Amazon is going to sell many millions of Kindle Fires, but Apple won't feel the burn at all, these analysts predict, because the two devices are in different markets, for different consumers, purchasing tablets at different price points. Who will really be hurt is every tablet maker that's not Apple (send not to know for whom the bell tolls, Dell Streak 7; it tolls for thee).

All seven inch tablets that are not the Kindle Fire should be writing up their living wills, sure; but Apple's iPad just might lose more sales than a lot of analysts are predicting. Because if the Kindle Fire is at all functional (still not guaranteed, as Amazon did not let journalists try their tablets for themselves yesterday), it will become the first tablet that, again, for non-geek, brand-conscious consumers, can do everything the iPad does (for $300 less).

There have been plenty of tablets that cost less than $500 that could access the Internet and stream movies, but, in terms of brand "coolness," you wouldn't hope any of them would ask you to prom.

That's changed with the letter-jacket-wearing Amazon Kindle Fire.

No, it does not have a camera on it (neither did the first iPad); this is a large blow to anyone who thinks they are going to do a lot of FaceTime or photo-taking with their tablet. And yes, Amazon would have been wise to include an email client rather than forcing users to download one.

Otherwise, the Kindle Fire has all of the very basic things that everyday people buy tablets for: An Internet browser. Netflix. Hulu. Angry Birds. A functional app store with games. A gigantic outlet of books, music and movies.

Did we mention it's $300 less than the comparable iPad 2?

Look, Apple is still going to sell millions and millions of iPads this Christmas. The Kindle Fire is not an iPad killer: The Fire will nick the iPad, maybe leave a dent in its fender. The price, the functionality and that indefinable "cool" of the Kindle Fire are going to come together to carve out a huge market for Amazon, and some of that market is bound to come from those who would have otherwise bought iPads. To think otherwise would be -- if this word means what I think it means -- inconceivable.

Take a look at our slideshow of the Kindle Fire (below).


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If there are two things we know from the last two years in tech news, it is these: 1. Never get involved in a land war in Asia. 2. Never try to compete against a tablet made by Apple. The Amaz...
If there are two things we know from the last two years in tech news, it is these: 1. Never get involved in a land war in Asia. 2. Never try to compete against a tablet made by Apple. The Amaz...
 
 
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Post31
Good grief!!!
03:47 PM on 10/02/2011
Stop taking on appple and figure out a way to replace school books with a cheep Ereader. That's where the real money is at.
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Channa
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
04:51 PM on 10/03/2011
Totally agree with you. Companies who are trying to match Apple feature for feature with their tablets are playing a suckers game. Now that everyone agrees tablets are cool, there are many many niche markets for a product that does NOT have all the bells and whistles but does a dedicated job cheap. Schools are a pretty big niche. Cheap tablets that can be used as restaurant menus, sending the order straight to the kitchen would be awesome. There are so many potential uses for a dedicated tablet and whoever does it first will own that market segment.
05:43 PM on 11/22/2011
so businesses aren't suppose to compete with Apple? where is the logic people?! its called competition. of course it'll be hard to compete with the most popular tech equipment apple is producing and selling. but are other groups supposed to sit and watch apple profit all revenues? uh, yeah. thought so.
08:49 PM on 10/01/2011
Kindle Fire video demo :
http://www.mydiamarks.com/mydiamark/Amazon+Kindle+Fire+demo_278320
Enjoy
07:39 PM on 10/01/2011
I'm planning on buying this. as in i am pre-ordering it in a week. I have no doubt that amazon put a lot into the quality of this, and for $200 I'm going in without knowing what I'm coming out with
03:43 AM on 10/01/2011
I'm curious to see if this will be similar to when Nintendo entered the console wars with a "lesser" product. The Wii took that industry by storm and did so with specs far inferior to that of Playstation or Xbox. It still did everything we expected, had a price point that was way more affordable than the other two, and had a trick or two that was unique to the Wii. The Fire may just do the same.
03:54 PM on 09/30/2011
I think many of you are thinking way too much about this. I have an iPad 2 - and like it. But, for me, it is mostly for consuming media (news, movies, email). I can see buying a KF - at the price point - just to consume that same information.

I think KF will be a huge seller - even for those who own a lot of tech (which I do). I will be interested to see if reading a book on it is as good as on a regular Kindle III.

The problem I see in all this is portability between devices. Will my iTunes music play on KF? The problem with most of these devices is that interoperability is creating problems in the marketplace. Do I want two music supplier accounts? (iTunes & Amazon). That is why I really like Spotify. No need to worry about where I bought my music - all music is in one place.

I know that there are programs that port music from one device to another ---- but, because of the huge devotion to iTunes, I think the other players will remain with lower share of the traffic.

Reminds me of the old computing days when Windows and Mac were miles apart - and very little could port from one to the other. It has been getting better - especially since iTunes is on each of those platforms.

Oh well - I still think that the KF is cool - if
12:36 PM on 09/30/2011
The KF IS NOT an iPad killer... It's not even a yellow pad of paper killer. It's a standalone book reader - in color...big woop... What are all these clowns trying to make this out to be?? Some kind of giant leap forward in technology?? Some sort of new marketing pioneer Bezos is splitting open here?? You people are acting like 4 year olds on Christmas... It's a friggin book reader!

No Cameras... No mail... NO connectivity... a few Apps... and lots of YOU PAY $10 APIECE for each book... You guys are on drugs if you think this box even competes with iPad... I'm not a Apple Fanboy but I am a technology guy and this offering is not so exciting.. take a lude...
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jagrmeister721
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09:27 PM on 10/01/2011
LOL@ no connectivity.  LOL @ no mail.  LOL @ few apps (it runs Android).  Thanks for the laughs.
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Vic22
"I write to make it right, don't like what I see"
12:04 PM on 09/30/2011
I have a kindle, and I think Tablets, especially the Ipad 2 are extremely overrated, and many of the buyers are motivated by the cool factor, but even I had to talk myself down from pre ordering the kindle fire. Shiz looks tight... but Victor, you don't need it... but it looks tight... You have a kindle and a laptop, you're fine...
07:08 PM on 10/01/2011
I had the same argument with myself, Victor, but I lost the argument!

I never considered the iPad, don't need all that stuff. And I'll never give up the Kindle e-ink reader. BUT I'm already a long-time Amazon Prime customer and this is too good to pass up at the price point!
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Vic22
"I write to make it right, don't like what I see"
07:17 PM on 10/01/2011
Such a good business decision by Amazon though. I hear that they lose money by selling the fire at that price, but us kindle owners know that the ability to purchase something with one click and a 60 second wait makes us impulse buyers empty our wallets at a moments notice
11:02 AM on 09/30/2011
I'm looking forward to the release of "Fire"

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bearchao
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11:46 AM on 09/30/2011
SPAM
10:45 AM on 09/30/2011
A Kindle Fire is no iPad, but then again, an iPad is no laptop and it's still pretty popular. That whole argument is moot.
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mjredder
10:15 AM on 09/30/2011
Where does anyone go without their phone, with its already-built-in camera? It makes one in your tablet redundant. I pre-ordered my Kindle Fire because it does everything I want to do, I already use Amazon Prime, and it's $300 less than iPad. One of the things that I've always felt is that Apple's profit margins are obscene for the products it produces. Now a company I respect created a product that I can tell they're not just milking for income and I'm all for that. Whether it's an iPad killer or not, I could care less. The Kindle Fire is still a tablet that I can both enjoy AND afford.
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CaptainObvvious
Calling me a liberal is a compliment!
10:43 AM on 09/30/2011
What is Apple doing with those profits? They have a ton of cash on hand which will be put INTO THE BUSINESS not paid out to executives... That money will go toward making better products, acquiring tech companies and new tech, R&D, securing components... That money is going back into the company to benefit future products which benefits the end user.

If they were paying it all out to executives and getting richer and not putting it back into the company I would be mad but they aren't and the iPad is still competitively priced with their like competition... If the iPad was so ridiculously priced why aren't other high end tablets CHEAPER?
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mjredder
11:46 AM on 09/30/2011
1. High-end tablets are the same price as the iPad because those companies are dumb enough to believe that $499 is the price floor. It's not, and HP's fire-sale of Touchpads proved it. The people who haven't bought iPads yet haven't done so because of the price.

2. Apple doesn't even really appear to be investing the $70-odd billion that it has back into itself. It's not buying up other companies to expand into new markets. It's not paying out a dividend to its shareholders like most companies do. What's it doing with all that money? It's building a spaceship office building somewhere in California. Yeah, that sounds like a real smart investment. Bravo.
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CaptainObvvious
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12:27 PM on 09/30/2011
I also agree the camera is pretty moot.

I think the entire mobile video conferencing thing is gimmicky... Though when I go on business trips it is SO nice to see my wife... Aside from that meh...

So the camera on the tablet doesn't mean much.

It is funny seeing people (not you) playing down the lack of a camera like its meaningless while they derided the iPad 2 for not having a good enough camera.
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gemini68
10:09 AM on 09/30/2011
In a word: No.
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jagrmeister721
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09:28 PM on 10/01/2011
Stunning analysis.
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Channa
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
09:59 AM on 09/30/2011
If the Kindle tablet does become a big success, I predict that Apple will answer it with a similar "iPad mini".

Of course the Kindle will bite into Apple's sales, but in NO WAY is this an "iPad killer". They are going for a niche market. It's a big niche, too.
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jagrmeister721
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09:29 PM on 10/01/2011
The release of Fire at that price point, along with similar tablets, will marginalize Apple into a niche high-end product, and eventually Android will become the dominant OS.  Apple should enjoy its meteoric rise, because once iOS becomes an also-ran to Android in tablets, it is on its way to the dustbin again.
11:21 PM on 10/01/2011
The ipad mini is called an ipod
08:59 AM on 09/30/2011
I think it is too small, and no camera is not good. I am waiting for the great Android developers to get Android running on my Touchpad.
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Channa
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10:02 AM on 09/30/2011
The iPad is great for consuming content and fair for creating content. If you are not interested in content creation, you don't need a camera (doesn't your phone have one?), you don't need heavy processing power, you don't need a lot of stuff that adds to the price. For people who just want an e reader, music player and video player this is a perfect fit.
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jagrmeister721
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09:30 PM on 10/01/2011
LOL- camera is not a critical reason for most people to buy a tablet.  Poor arguments.
08:33 AM on 09/30/2011
I think the Kindle Fire itself is not an iPad killer for the reasons mentioned. But think about this. Once Amazon gets millions in the hand of users this Christmas they create a subscriber channel ready for the next step? I'm guessing that Kindle Fire II (or whatever they'll call it ) will have 3G or 4G connectivity. Maybe a camera. This is a smart plan approaching the market in baby steps.

http://blog.cordcutterguide.com/2011/09/amazon-shakes-things-up-with-kindle.html
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Thomas River
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08:08 AM on 09/30/2011
All I want to know is, how easily can it be viewed in various lighting conditions. You know - the places where you might actually use an e-reader.

Is that too much to ask for in a review of a product, H P? How it actually works?
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CaptainObvvious
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10:45 AM on 09/30/2011
It hasn't been released or used by anyone... How can they review it?

It will be just as usable in high light situations as any other tablet.
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Thomas River
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01:13 PM on 09/30/2011
Oh please. There is a huge difference between tablets in high hight environments. Glass time, back light source, anti-static or similar coating all impact readability in light. If you don't know what you are talking about, please don't respond.