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Mexico's 'Roe v. Wade' Lets Stand Definition Of Embryos As Legal Persons

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First Posted: 09/29/11 05:48 PM ET Updated: 09/29/11 06:03 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court of Mexico fell one vote shy of overturning Baja California state's "personhood" amendment on Wednesday night, ensuring that developing fetuses will continue to be considered legal persons under that state's constitution. The historic case that some Americans are calling Mexico's "reverse Roe v. Wade" could have a major impact on the U.S. personhood movement, legal experts say.

"There's an internal debate within the pro-life community here as to whether it's the right strategy at the right time to come out with a strong unapologetic stance that all human beings, regardless of their stage of development, are legal persons," said Gualberto Garcia Jones, legislative analyst for Personhood USA. "This decision in Mexico provides proof that it is a viable strategy that is working right now in other places. If it had gone the other way, we would have seen pro-lifers say, 'If it can't work in Mexico, it can't work in the U.S.'"

Since 2009, 18 of 31 Mexican states have passed measures extending legal personhood to embryos in reaction to the decision by the federal enclave of Mexico City to legalize abortion. The Mexican Supreme Court needed a supermajority -- eight of 11 votes -- to overturn the Baja California amendment, but only seven justices voted to overturn, which means that abortion will remain illegal in Baja California.

The U.S. personhood movement, which is most active right now in Mississippi, seeks to overturn Roe v. Wade and empower states to define embryos as legal persons under their respective constitutions. The problem, opponents say, is that granting legal personhood to embryos could have a host of other consequences, such as banning in vitro fertilization, stem cell research and certain forms of birth control.

Moreover, like the personhood amendments in Mexico, the amendment on which Mississippi voters are scheduled to cast a ballot in November would allow no exceptions for rape and incest victims or for cases in which the mother's life is in danger.

"Obviously there's no exception for rape and incest," Greg Sanders, executive director of Mississippi's personhood campaign, told HuffPost last week. "It's a human life, no matter how it's created."

The personhood movement is likely to face more resistance in the United States than in Mexico, whose overwhelmingly Roman Catholic population has historically opposed abortion. Colorado voters have twice rejected personhood amendments by a strong majority, but it's not clear how Mississippians will vote in November.

Garcia Jones, who has been closely following the Mexican Supreme Court case, said the U.S. movement should take a few tips from its neighbor.

"The fact that they weren't afraid to be very clear about their intent to define the pre-born in the constitution as a full human person allowed for an honest public discussion of what they're talking about," said Garcia Jones, "and that's the kind of strong legal strategy we need in the U.S."

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WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court of Mexico fell one vote shy of overturning Baja California state's "personhood" amendment on Wednesday night, ensuring that developing fetuses will continue to be consi...
WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court of Mexico fell one vote shy of overturning Baja California state's "personhood" amendment on Wednesday night, ensuring that developing fetuses will continue to be consi...
 
 
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slimjim87
01:50 PM on 10/30/2011
If you want to have an abortion, fine by me, as long as I don't have to pay for it out of my tax money.
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turboe4truth
Out the GOP in 2014
12:36 PM on 11/08/2011
You don't. False argument.
01:46 PM on 10/30/2011
The same people that are against abortion are those who are convinced that God will save us from disaster due to overpopulation.

We need to lower our population in order to survive. Ugly, yes. Abortion needs to be a component in the lowering of the Worlds population.

Want to know how our World will end? Read up on how Easter Islanders did themselves in by overpopulation.

God did not save them and God will not save us.
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slimjim87
01:57 PM on 10/30/2011
Then you should have supported the "war" in Iraq and Afghanistan. A lot of them were dying over there.

Actually, I don't care if people have abortions, as long as it doesn't come out of my tax money.
03:42 PM on 10/30/2011
It would be in violation of the Hyde Amendment to spend tax dollars on abortions.
I'm assuming you are talking about the talking points Fox News has fed you about Planned Parenthood.

The fact is, as much as your Lord and Saviour Rush Limbaugh spouts otherwise; Planned Parenthood spends zero tax dollars on abortion. And that is that.

Educate yourself before making an insinuating statement like "long as it doesn't come out of my tax money"- like tax money is really funding abortions; they are not.
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Silence Dogoody
08:40 PM on 10/19/2011
"Obviously there's no exception for rape and incest," - Greg Sanders

This bothers me, and I am pro life.

Pregnancy is dangerous for a woman. An innocent person (fetus) has no right to harm a woman that did not bring it about by voluntary actions. I've seen enough women suffer from willing pregnancies to realize a rape pregnancy is the definition of torture with possible life or permanent health threatening consequences.
seraphimblade
To fight the war on terror, stop being afraid.
07:24 AM on 10/16/2011
"Obviously there's no exception for rape and incest."

No, obviously not, because the aim of this is misogynistic. These are probably the same people who think women were "asking for it" when they're raped, and so deserve the unwanted pregnancy anyway.

Just come out and say you hate and fear women, and want them to be treated as nothing more than a walking container for a uterus. For those who place such emphasis on "honesty", they should've done so long ago.

For me, I actually like women and consider them human beings. So I'll continue to oppose this garbage, thank you very much. Women should never be forced to use their body as an incubator against their will.
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
02:46 AM on 10/04/2011
Moxo - If we had such a 'law' here... does that mean foreigners only have to CONCEIVE here for the kid to have American Citizenship?
posted Sep 30, 2011 at 17:21:51 Reply Link

jack Winn - Try reading the 1st sentence of the 14th amendment.
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Hmmm... I wrote " If we had such a 'law' here." and you totally failed to comprehend what I meant by IF?

Look up in a dictionary (a big book that explains the meaning of words) what "IF" means.
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Jerry Bourbon
09:57 PM on 10/02/2011
Wow! Allowing the democratically elected representatives of the People, instead of unelected federal judges, to set abortion policy.

What a concept....
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peegan
Silence like a cancer grows...S/G.
11:32 PM on 10/02/2011
Not allowing a person's constitutional rights to be subject to a popular vote, what a concept.
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Jerry Bourbon
10:37 AM on 10/03/2011
If you can cite for me where Abortion, or anything remotely resembling it, is mentioned in the Mexican Constitution, I would be greatly appreciative.

Once you have done that, if you can cite for me where Abortion, or anything remotely resembling it, is mentioned in the American Constitution, I would be even greaterly appreciative.
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slimjim87
01:59 PM on 10/30/2011
What constitutional right? Baja, California is a part of Mexico.
04:45 PM on 10/02/2011
So let me get this straight.

Lawmakers in the United States are taking cues from a Third World nation??? What a joke!

This isn't going to be so funny when someone's mother, girlfriend, daughter, wife, sister, best friend or colleague ends up dead or permanently maimed in the most emotionally devastating of ways for a woman to be injured.

If you look at the statistics on women in the United States who have terminated or will terminate a pregnancy sometime in their lives (somewhere between Thirty Three Percent and Forty Percent of American women), you'd come to understand that NO ONE is in a position to be judgmental on this issue.
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Arturo Ramrez
01:33 AM on 10/04/2011
Third World Nation that happens to be a Federative Republic, which means that states and federal entities set their own laws as long as they don't contradict the constitution. That being the case, even when the Federal Government tried to repeal the law that allows legal abortion in Mexico City (home to about 10% of the population in about 1% of the territory) the same Supreme Co
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Arturo Ramrez
01:36 AM on 10/04/2011
urt would not allow it. That actually openned a debate that long ago seemed taboo. Just so you know, the states with a more "let's do it the American way" approach are actually the ones going all "pro-life". That's your Third World Country, Mexico has many many many maaaaaaaany problems, but at least try to make an informed opinion when you talk about them.
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Sabrae
Talk to the paws.
09:20 PM on 09/30/2011
Okay, we bring all these children into the world. Now, who is going to feed and house them, support them financially etc?

Mexico is a very poor nation, which is why they come here willing to take any job they can find. So now what?
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iamone3
11:40 PM on 09/30/2011
Abortion should not be used for birth control.
02:40 PM on 10/02/2011
Nearly all of my girlfriends have had an abortion at some time in their lives. Not one of them used it as "birth control." They were pregnant because their birth control FAILED, their "boy friends" raped them or they were so young and uneducated as to how a person gets pregnant that they literally didn't know how a woman gets pregnant and allowed their boy friend to have sex with them. If you don't believe me I can't help you- this is the truth in the lives of the women I know. Also, blaming women for miscarriages is a horrible way to go. I have one dear friend who tried for years to get pregnant and lost every single fetus. The count was up into the teens when she gave up because she couldn't bear to lose another baby and was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I can't imagine the pain of that struggle alone but to add in the police at every miscarriage would have been absolutely criminal.
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Arturo Ramrez
01:38 AM on 10/04/2011
Legal abortion doesn't increase abortion rates, it just reduces female mortality.
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Jerry Bourbon
10:37 AM on 10/03/2011
Mexico's fertility rate is around 2.1 per woman. In other words, replacement levels, nothing more.
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iamone3
09:18 PM on 09/30/2011
The Justices made their decision with regard to "Roe v Wade" based upon lies. This decision should be overturned.
01:12 AM on 10/01/2011
You mean like how the woman involved lied about having an abortion and now feels regret for an abortion she never had?
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iamone3
01:45 AM on 10/01/2011
Confessions of an Ex-Abortionist
BERNARD NATHANSON
Dr. Bernard Nathanson details the deceptions, dirty tricks, and other tactics that helped make abortion legal and socially acceptable in the United States.

You can google it for more information.
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Fran Jaime
Yo Soy 132!
08:51 PM on 09/30/2011
This is horribly depressing! However, there is still the possibility of making the right to abortion legal in the rest of the country. It's an uphill battle but it has always been that way and we have persevered.
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iamone3
07:41 PM on 09/30/2011
Mexico got something right for a change. Good for them.
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Sabrae
Talk to the paws.
09:28 PM on 09/30/2011
Yes, what could be better than increasing the number of people living in poverty? They can't feed the ones already here, much less adding greatly to that number.
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iamone3
11:25 PM on 09/30/2011
What are you doing to help feed the hungry people you know?
07:07 PM on 10/01/2011
Better living in poverty than never living. I'm poor and I enjoy life.
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turboe4truth
Out the GOP in 2014
12:45 PM on 11/08/2011
Then please by all means move there, and leave us alone....
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
05:21 PM on 09/30/2011
If we had such a 'law' here... does that mean foreigners only have to CONCEIVE here for the kid to have American Citizenship?
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Sabrae
Talk to the paws.
09:21 PM on 09/30/2011
Apparently.
02:28 AM on 10/04/2011
Try reading the 1st sentence of the 14th amendment.
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eagle17765
02:19 PM on 09/30/2011
So, if a woman finds out in week 4 she has an unwanted pregnancy - who in the anti-choice BibleHUMPING Crowd will take that zygot from the host and incubate it for 42 weeks?
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eagle17765
02:18 PM on 09/30/2011
I have an idea - how about a woman who has an unwanted pregnancy have that zygot taken out in 1st or 2nd trimester & then give that zygot to one of those anti-choice BibleHumpers ... see - simple solution
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eagle17765
02:16 PM on 09/30/2011
Gee if these TeaTalibaggers want to look to other countries for advise, how about looking at Germany as inspiration for; STRONG UNIONS, Single Payer Healthcare and paying teachers top dollar.