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Super Congress Talks: Democrats Reportedly Want Tax Hikes To Be First Item Negotiated In Deficit-Reduction Discussions

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First Posted: 09/30/11 10:59 PM ET Updated: 11/30/11 05:12 AM ET

By Richard Cowan and Tim Reid

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats want tax hikes to be the first item negotiated in "super committee" deficit-reduction talks, trying to force Republicans to confront an issue at the heart of this year's budget fights, sources told Reuters.

The tough stance by Democratic members of the powerful 12-member congressional panel reflects the party's wariness that Republicans might try to sideline the issue of revenue increases in the negotiations.

"They've raised the idea of doing taxes first," a Republican aide involved in the discussions said Friday on condition of anonymity.

The panel has the task of finding ways of cutting the U.S. deficit by at least $1.2 trillion over 10 years. If it fails to agree on a plan by Nov. 23, automatic spending cuts will be triggered, beginning in 2013.

If Democrats hold firm to their demand for taxes to be discussed first, that could make it hard for the committee to make the tight November deadline. Congress is due to vote on the panel's recommendations by Dec. 23.

Another congressional aide, who also did not want to be identified, confirmed that among Democrats, "there is an effort to try to discuss revenues" now.

During the super committee's initial closed-door meetings, "Republicans wanted to just talk about spending cuts and Democrats said, 'No,'" the aide said.

Republicans strongly oppose tax hikes, arguing they will hurt an anemic economic recovery. But they have not ruled out closing some tax loopholes as part of tax reform. Democrats, including President Barack Obama, insist revenue increases must be part of any deficit reduction deal.

Democrats' calls for increasing taxes on the rich may have been bolstered by a new Congressional Research Service analysis. The Sept. 23 report obtained by Reuters concluded that letting decade-old tax cuts for the wealthy expire at the end of next year as scheduled "could help reduce budget deficits in the short term without stifling the economic recovery."

Discussing taxes first would also be a switch from the negotiating tactics employed in earlier talks.

In the summer debt talks between the White House and congressional leaders, the strategy was to try first to agree on what were perceived to be less controversial issues, such as domestic spending cuts. Those talks ultimately broke down amid disagreements over taxes.

NO AGREEMENT YET ON WHERE TO START

A third congressional aide with knowledge of the super committee's discussions told Reuters the six Democratic panel members were "not completely unified on their approach."

The aide said that while some of the Democrats were willing to work on less controversial items now, others thought tax increases should take priority.

If Democrats insist on tackling tax increases first, that is "problematic" given the Nov. 23 deadline, the aide said.

The Republican aide involved in the discussions said the deficit talks were still at an early stage. "They're going through the minutiae of everything that is possible (for government savings). It's an inventory phase."

There is "no agreement on what will be negotiated first," the aide added.

Budget and tax specialists in the private sector are predicting arduous negotiations that could end with a partial deal at best in which the committee agrees on some savings, with the balance achieved by the automatic spending cuts.

Failure by the committee to agree on a comprehensive deficit reduction deal could lead to a further downgrade of the stellar U.S. government credit rating, a move that in turn could damage a global economy struggling to right itself after a deep recession. (Editing by Ross Colvin and Peter Cooney)

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08:36 PM on 10/03/2011
stop spending
stop spending
which part of that do u not understand?
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Randolph Greer
I am a Poet .
01:24 AM on 10/02/2011
I'll consider it even if Obama gets 50% of what he wants. Oh, and by the way, that would be the first miracle since the 1969 Mets.
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aztrukin
I am the leader of opting out of badges.
10:08 PM on 10/01/2011
I think there are 47% of Americans that need to pitch in and help this country out.
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Chad Devero
10:58 PM on 10/01/2011
And yet another lie perpetuated by the GOP.
The FACT is 47% of Americans didn't pay INCOME taxes - they still paid sales taxes, property (if they have any) taxes, FICA and SS tax, to name a few.
Here's a good read to try and help you fully understand the topic
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/business/economy/14leonhardt.html
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KMoore4318
Sarcasm/Satire; Google it !!!
01:39 AM on 10/02/2011
I can understand them paying sells tax if they buy things, and property tax if they have property, SS tax if they expect to ever draw SS, and fule tax if they have a car. But they should not have to pay income tax (UNLESS THE HAVE AN INCOME) I think it's you that do not understand the topic, how can you call for any group to pay " Their fare share" when you have no concept of the word fare. Why must we change from the land of the free to the land of the free loader to make some groups happy, I can understand giving help based on need, but collecting revenue should be based on revenue, and to be fare, and equitable, with an equal percentage for all. If you then want to cut checks to the down trodden, dead beats, or lazy, that is a separate matter. Helping those in need, is difrent than collecting from those that utilize a service or recive bennifit from the general fund. If they get back more than they pay in so be it. But dont make the process, part of the problem. Democrats’ have changed a lot since JFK was one. Ask not what your country can do for you... Democrats’ would abandon Obama in a heartbeat if he gave that speech.
08:38 PM on 10/03/2011
you first
send your $1,000 check to DC, and see if you even get a thank you
kevinclennon
print the money ben
09:52 PM on 10/01/2011
We may need to rasie taxes I agree. First they need to spend the money they have better, then we can discuss rasing taxes.
jeremyv1980
Tough times don't last. Tough people do!
09:45 PM on 10/01/2011
Yes lets talk about taxes first. 10% to 15% across the board. So now we have a bracket to work with lets make the cuts. Then we can bicker. Dems say 15% pubs say 10% lets settle with 12.5%

Sounds good to me.
08:41 PM on 10/03/2011
No, I say first cut all federal employees pay checks by 20%. ALL of them, el presidente, senate, house, all the feds......... hear them moan on CNN........................
jeremyv1980
Tough times don't last. Tough people do!
09:10 PM on 10/03/2011
That works too. and cut about 40% of the government work force.
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HST
Conservatism = selfishness
09:19 PM on 10/01/2011
Remember when Boehner said that the repubs got 92% of what they wanted?

It's for them to compromise.

We can't cut our way back to prosperity, we will also need to increase revenue.

Polls show that voters overwhemingly support a mixed apporach.

Any politician that won't support a mixed approach is ignoring the will of the voters.
09:52 PM on 10/01/2011
"We can't cut our way back to prosperity­, we will also need to increase revenue." I guess Biden was right when they realized how bad things were, he said we have to spend our way out of this, spend, spend, spend and the administration is doing just that. With what results?
kevinclennon
print the money ben
09:54 PM on 10/01/2011
would say spend the money you have wisely then we may discuss new revenue. Not one dime until they become good steward's of our money.
09:12 PM on 10/01/2011
does anyone think that for one second ...that this is not again a man made disaeter,....

and the gopper love it...

you know at least 51 % of the Us support it
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webwzrd
Reality is liberal indoctrination
08:39 PM on 10/01/2011
Looks like Dems might finally be getting smart and actually fighting for what 75% of ALL Americans (yes, even most Republicans) want. Here's hoping they've learned their lesson and don't back down.
g9
conservation ,Your grandchildrens future
08:30 PM on 10/01/2011
so this ...two hours a year....?
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08:35 PM on 10/01/2011
You might "think" you know me, but you have no idea.... but I can bet top dollar you are a bottom feeder
g9
conservation ,Your grandchildrens future
10:08 PM on 10/01/2011
don't think I want to ....I still feed above the likes of you...bet-cha !
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08:24 PM on 10/01/2011
dems feeling all bad for the poor.... I was in the grocery store a couple of weeks ago, lady in front of me had over $200. in foodstamps.... anther 60 in JUNK food. then she purchased $100.00 in Lottery Tickets.... NOW: I ask you, HOW? I work and make a very nice salary but can't spend like that. I took a pic with camera phone, followed her out, took down car plates, called and reported it the next day.
g9
conservation ,Your grandchildrens future
08:31 PM on 10/01/2011
I know her she was a tebag
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08:33 PM on 10/01/2011
Not a Dem/Lib, Republican or tea party.... I just don't think you should get what I work for.
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08:34 PM on 10/01/2011
I'm an Independent Constitutional Individual
kevinclennon
print the money ben
09:57 PM on 10/01/2011
The new american way. 7out 10 get some type goverment assistance in this country. The battle is going to be hard.
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08:15 PM on 10/01/2011
One thing hurting this economy is welfare.... When welfare was set up, it was a temporary fix during hard times.... you were encouraged to seek work, as the benefits would expire. Dems have ensured that it's a life long process, never wanting those using it to go out and better themselves. they want the higher payees to take care of the poor.... they love the Robin Hood saga.
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08:03 PM on 10/01/2011
Dems crying about those in poverty.... if they don't work, they don't pay taxes.... but they sure do reap the benefits for those tax credits.... why would they want to work as long as the dems keep supporting their lifestyle?
g9
conservation ,Your grandchildrens future
08:34 PM on 10/01/2011
If they work , and are in the top 2% they do not pay taxes either....so what is your reasoning...you know ...your point that you want to make with out satistics only Faux news
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08:42 PM on 10/01/2011
did you spend your welfare checks today.... it's only the 1st.... sorry you are having a bad day.
kevinclennon
print the money ben
09:59 PM on 10/01/2011
The top2% pay over 20% of all federal Income tax even on MSNBC they tell you that. I even saw it on John stewart show. Please stay informed.
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twowrongs
Now you say crony capitalism like its a bad thing
09:12 PM on 10/01/2011
All your comments about Democrats are untrue. Nobody like welfare cheats. Few are impressed by food stamps for junk food and cash for lotto tickets. But what's your beef, really? That you have to pay taxes at all? A small percentage goes to keep the ignorant poor from being left to sleep in the streets. Just because you witness abuse doesn't mean that abuse is condoned or encouraged.
kevinclennon
print the money ben
10:01 PM on 10/01/2011
Its encourage by the president pass my bill and you get more unempolyment. After 99 weeks thier must be a problem. I guess keep printing money it will go away.
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07:53 PM on 10/01/2011
by the dems always keeping the poor man down in poverty only ensures them a free vote....
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Nobody78
A little left of Center
08:02 PM on 10/01/2011
What?
kevinclennon
print the money ben
10:02 PM on 10/01/2011
Old brithish empire ,Catholic church , they fall into this catogory keep people stupid and make them dependent.
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Nobody78
A little left of Center
08:03 PM on 10/01/2011
Does that mean the Repubs are keeping the poor man up?
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08:05 PM on 10/01/2011
means the right would rather see them work and be successful rather than keep spoon feeding them like the LEFT does.
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08:05 PM on 10/01/2011
You know.... work for a living.... now that would be a CHANGE and we HOPE they would see how much better it is than being held back.
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07:52 PM on 10/01/2011
Dems don't like the fact that people are out there making money and they aren't.
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Chad Devero
07:56 PM on 10/01/2011
Haha yeah that is precisely it. No Democrat in the history of Democrats has made money. The current debt and deficit coupled with historic lows in taxes have nothing to do with any of this
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Nobody78
A little left of Center
08:05 PM on 10/01/2011
Really, you didn't know that every democrat in the Senate is a millionaire just like your republican buddies?
kevinclennon
print the money ben
10:05 PM on 10/01/2011
solyndra is a good example.
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Nobody78
A little left of Center
08:03 PM on 10/01/2011
Not it at all, they just feel that they should pay the same percentage in taxes as everyone else.
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Chad Devero
07:34 PM on 10/01/2011
GOPTP math:

Corporation receiving income of $14,200,000,000 and paying zero income tax is good for economy and society.
Poor person receiving income of $25,000 and paying zero income tax is bad for economy and society.

Talk about Family Values! That is clearly what Christ wanted, the poor to suffer and the rich to take advantage.
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Chad Devero
07:41 PM on 10/01/2011
EDIT: That is clearly what Christ wanted; the poor to suffer and the rich to take advantage of them
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07:49 PM on 10/01/2011
what would you know about Christ?
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KMoore4318
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01:54 AM on 10/02/2011
Actualy I think he taught render unto ceasers what is cesers and undo god what is gods, he wanted people to help their fellow man, love their neighbor as themself, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you; but never ordered government to do it. or held out hope that Pilot would, The individual will stand befor god in judjment Fortunatly for washington, they will not. also it's a little unfair to scream seperation of church and state, remove god from schools courts and government, but Give to the poor like jesus.
kevinclennon
print the money ben
10:07 PM on 10/01/2011
They pay Zero? UPS payed over 30 % GE paid ZERO. Were did you get these numbers.HP?