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David Lavau Found Alive After 6 Days, But What About That Other Guy?

By ANDREW DALTON   10/ 2/11 04:03 AM ET   AP

LOS ANGELES -- Melvin Gelfand left West Hollywood on a day trip to a casino and didn't come home.

Two weeks later, the family of the 88-year-old World War II veteran began to give up hope that they'd ever find him, whether dead or alive.

No clues emerged from separate investigations by a Los Angeles police detective who was "terrific" and a private detective who was "equally good," Gelfand's son-in-law Will Matlack said Saturday.

Then came a bizarre twist.

The family of another missing man, 67-year-old David Lavau, found Lavau and his wrecked car at the bottom of a remote ravine 50 miles north of Los Angeles. He was alive, and on Saturday was undergoing surgery, expected to make a full recovery.

But the car came to rest next to another, with a driver who was not so fortunate. The car was registered to Gelfand, and while investigators have not given the body an official identification, they told family members they were "99 percent sure" it was him, Matlack said.

The news was bad, but the longshot coincidence gave them a degree of closure they would have been unlikely to get. Gelfand was 70 miles from where he'd been headed. Unlike Lavau, whose family used cellphone signals to know where to look for him, Gelfand's phone was turned off.

"If you speculate the odds, it would be astronomical," Matlack said.

Gelfand had left the house in his Toyota Camry, headed 10 miles away to Hawthorne where he would catch a shuttle to a San Diego-area casino.

"He loved going to the casino and sit there at the slots all day," said Matlack, who is married to Gelfand's daughter Joan. "His wife was having a card party. It was a good excuse for him to get out and have some fun."

But instead of heading south to the park-and-ride, he apparently went north on Interstate 405 instead and didn't turn around, merging with Interstate 5 and ending up on the remote mountain road.

Gelfand got slightly lost on occasions, but nothing like this.

"He never exhibited symptoms of dementia," Matlack said. "He was a diabetic but he had taken his medication. I guess it's possible for someone to slip into a full dementia episode, but that would be speculation."

Speculation was all the family had two days after he was found. The California Highway Patrol, which took over the investigation, has not been in touch, though coroner's officials have.

Messages left with local CHP officials by The Associated Press were not immediately returned.

Gelfand, a World War II veteran who fought in Pacific battles including Iwo Jima, moved to California from New Jersey in 1959.

He owned a liquor store with his brothers before a retirement spent hanging out with his large family, going to casinos and occasionally working as a movie extra.

"He was the favorite uncle of everybody," Matlack said.

Meanwhile, the family of Lavau, who was having surgery on a dislocated shoulder at Henry Mayo Newhall Memorial Hospital on Saturday, had far more answers but were still reeling at their luck in finding him six days after he disappeared.

A sheriff's detective helped them determine a general area to look by tracing Lavau's cellphone, but it was a large and remote mountain area with canyons and ravines that could barely be seen from the road.

Once they had that information, they found him quickly, which was essential because he had been living on bugs, leaves and creek water and borrowing Gelfand's glasses for nearly a week.

"It seemed like forever, but it wasn't, we're talking hours," Lavau's son-in-law Jesse Hooker, one of the six in the family search party, said Saturday.

Hooker said family members took matters into their own hands not because they had a big problem with the response of the Sheriff's Department, but they didn't have the patience for police procedure.

"I don't think they did a bad job," said Hooker, husband of Lavau's daughter Chardonnay Hooker. "I know that we weren't willing to wait the time periods we were going to have to."

And Hooker had only praise for Diane Harris, the sheriff's detective who gave the family direction. Hooker said "if she didn't do that, we wouldn't have been able to do what we did."

Sheriff's spokesman Capt. Mike Parker said the department did everything it could on a missing persons case with no evidence of foul play, and called the rescue "remarkable."

"We admire this family for doing what they did," Parker said.

Gelfand's family said they see some good that can come of his accident.

They would first like to see state highway officials install a guard rail on the sharp curve where the men ran off the road, and hope the Lavau family will join them in the effort.

"From my point of view, two cars go off the same spot within a week of each other, is Caltrans paying attention here?" Will Matlack said.

"If there's another thing I'd like to see come of this, it's getting older people to turn on their cellphones when they leave home," he said. "They don't do it because they think no one's going to call, but it's not about people calling, it's about being able to find them."

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Associated Press writers Christopher Weber, John Rogers, Shaya Tayefe Mohajer and Christina Hoag and contributed to this report.

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05:06 PM on 10/07/2011
My question is ...did 67-year-old David Lavau, hear and see the car come crashing down next to him..if so mabe he has some clues or mabe he knows that Melvin Gelfand was alive for a short time ..well hope the familys the best and prayers be wit the familys ...
07:52 AM on 10/03/2011
Two cars go off the road at the same spot... could be indicative of a need to improve the roadway... signage/barriers... maybe.
08:30 PM on 10/02/2011
My thoughts and prayers go out to both families. What an amazing story.

From the "bigger picture" there are no accidents. Perhaps it was meant to be that one family was able to help another find out what had happened to their loved one. And, what a powerful message to all families that we don't have to sit on our backsides and wait for others to help us when there is a problem. Hopefully a guardrail will be installed at that location (and others as well) thanks to this story.
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Jane Michaels
06:26 PM on 10/02/2011
Maybe they should keep digging.. They might find more cars and bodies down there.
06:01 PM on 10/02/2011
i am sorry for the family that lost a loved one, and sorry for the one that is now in the hospital. yes i think we all agree there should be a guard rail there, and many other mountain roads in our country. but the fact is it is the driver that should be responsible enough to know when they should not be behind the wheel any longer.
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undrgrndgirl
using bitchyness for good
05:40 PM on 10/02/2011
if his blood sugar got too low he could have become severely confused; even incoherent...my condolences to mr. gelfand's family.
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dkmkc2000
Time flies...
05:39 PM on 10/02/2011
Be good if some of that stimulus money went towards a new guardrail up there. Sounds like a dangerous area to drive.
05:13 PM on 10/02/2011
First of all my prayers go out on behalf of the loved ones of both men, for peace and comfort. I just believe that as busy as the CHP must be, the family of Melvin Gelfand, WWII veteran, deserves better treatment than to have their pleas for information ignored by people who are tasked with protecting and SERVING them.
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simplesins
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05:36 PM on 10/02/2011
I guess I'm kind of lost. What pleas are you talking about? The family of the man who died took great pains to thank the officer who worked with them and praised the private investigator who also was unsuccessful in finding their father. I don't think there has been much time to establish cause of death, cause of the accident, etc., etc., since it's only been a couple days, and a couple weekend days at that. Where exactly do you think they're ignoring the family?
04:59 PM on 10/02/2011
I read this story and see a family that just didnt sit and wait for something to happen, but got up off their butts and took an active role in searching for their loved one. I read these comments and too many people think someone else should do something. Good for the family that didnt want to wait for someone else to do something. How great would this country be if everyone thought this way?
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venturamickey
sinner saved by grace
05:27 PM on 10/02/2011
finally a constrcutive comment we can all agree on
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Don Alex
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04:40 PM on 10/02/2011
>> Chardonnay Hooker

Great name, lol.
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HawaiianLady
My name means Gift of God.
04:09 PM on 10/02/2011
My prayers go up for all of them ... both families and both men.
04:05 PM on 10/02/2011
They OBVIOUSLY need guard rails! I have a friend who lives in N.C and she said they have steep mountian roads with no guard rails and when it's icy or raining, it scares her to death. The state should automatically put up guard rails at all areas where a car could skid off the road and end up flying off the mountian. What's it going to take to get those rails up? A state offical's family member going over?
04:32 PM on 10/02/2011
Unfortunately, intelligence is not a requirement for state officials. It may take several deaths to warrant the expence of a guardrail.
We live on a busy corner near a school with no stop signs. Children walk by this corner every day. We were told it would take three deaths to warrant putting in a simple stop sign... unless we wanted to pay for it by ourselves, but we'd be required to have the city work-crew put install it with an outrageous price tag on top of making the sign and post. So I guess we are supposed to sit back and just watch the accidents continue.
04:53 PM on 10/02/2011
chzrider..... so instead of doing something to fix the problem, you are just going to do nothing except complain? I find that a problem, not a solution. Gather donations and a petition and pay for it instead of whining.
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madenusa
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05:49 PM on 10/02/2011
So concerned, but you're going "to sit back and just watch the accidents continue."
Such a good citizen
04:50 PM on 10/02/2011
ginausa....all it takes to get a guard rail up is money, and man power, which cost money. If you want to help, start a petition to get a guard rail put up along with a sizable donation just for that project. Dont expect others to do for you, do it yourself. Then see how much better you feel for actually doing something instead of complaining.
04:04 PM on 10/02/2011
2 words California "Guard rail" lol if two cars went off that cliff in the same area lol
03:46 PM on 10/02/2011
With two accidents happening in the same spot, why don't they put some kind of barrier around where they went off?
04:54 PM on 10/02/2011
Who are "they"? Why dont you do something like a comminuty action and raise the money to get it done instead of waiting for somone else to do something?
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simplesins
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05:23 PM on 10/02/2011
I suspect if this was a residential area, they wouldn't have been down there as long as they were. As such, in an unpopulated area, it would fall on the state. In addition, infrastructure is one of the primary things that we pay taxes for, and guardrails are included in that. And, as someone pointed out, you have the issue of ongoing maintenance. If someone crashes despite the guardrail, are the citizens who put it up legally liable in a lawsuit? If they crashed off the edge of someone's driveway, it would be the owner's responsibility. In this case, the state/city/county owns the road; it makes it their responsibility.
05:57 PM on 10/02/2011
we pay taxes to maintain roads and keep them safe. why should we pay to put up guard rails again, when in fact we have paid for safety on the public roads? you sure full of advice of what everyone should be doing. just curious what is it you do to protect you community & streets? i find it hard to believe you would have time to do anything with all the time you seem to have spent on here telling others what they should be doing!
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vaygollybum
just wondering
08:07 PM on 10/02/2011
Since they didn't know about the first wreck until after the second one, they probably didn't realize how bad the road was there. Especially if that spot was way out from any towns.
03:41 PM on 10/02/2011
So sorry to the family that lost their loved one, may he R.I.P Im very happy and relieved for the other family. God Bless