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Occupy Wall Street Could Be Beginning Of Social Movement: Experts

Occupy Wall Street

First Posted: 10/03/11 09:00 PM ET Updated: 12/03/11 05:12 AM ET

"Occupy Wall Street" may be the beginning of a major social movement, but its ultimate impact will depend on the group's ability to produce a focused agenda and get organized, experts say.

The protesters, who have no official leaders, recently released a broad list of grievances, ranging from the wars in the Middle East to student debt and high bonuses for Wall Street executives. But those grievances shared a common theme: discontent with the power of corporations and alarm that the economic future of a broad swath of the population appears in jeopardy.

Some experts on social movements say the protests on Wall Street and across the country tap into widespread public discontent. But, they emphasized that protesters will only be able to influence public policy if they recruit new members and create their own institutions, ranging from media outlets to grassroots organizations.

"I don't think that any existing institutions are going to leap to the leadership of the movement," said Sidney Tarrow, emeritus professor of government at Cornell University. "If this movement is real, and if it's powerful, it will create its own institutions."

Tarrow said there has been "very little leadership from the left" in terms of expressing solidarity with the protesters, which he attributed to Democratic political fears and a focus on narrow policy questions rather than broader reforms.

Now, he said, the new generation of young people occupying Wall Street will need to expand and become self-reliant.

Michael Kazin, history professor at Georgetown, said in order to effect change, the protesters need to create institutions that channel the discontent in U.S. society. Kazin recently wrote an op-ed in The New York Times detailing how he believes the American left lost much of its effectiveness: as the right wing spent decades sharpening and spreading its anti-government philosophy with think tanks, lobbyists, manifestos and talk radio, he argued, unions and other liberal organizations weakened. Kazin warned that without strong institutions, this latest social movement could fall flat.

"Protesters and organizers are not the same thing," Kazin said. "Protesters are people who express how they feel. Organizers help to build something large."

No social movement guarantees any policy changes, Stanford history professor Joel Beinin said. A movement's effectiveness depends largely on its influence on the mechanisms that shape government policies, he said, recommending Keynesian economic principles centered around additional government spending.

"We know what to do," Beinin said. "But we don't have the political vehicle to do it, and that's not the same as a social movement in the streets."

Nonetheless, the spectacle of protests against income inequality could inspire similar action, as those in New York already have in cities ranging from Washington, D.C. to Boston, Denver, Chicago and Los Angeles.

It will be important for organizers to remember that fighting for a better future is in their own self-interest, said Paul Ortiz, a history professor at the University of Florida. He said that self-interest has played a major role in the most successful social movements in the past, such as the civil rights movement, because the prospect of a better life has given organizers the courage to stand up to authority and risk arrest.

For now, Ortiz said, protesters need to organize under the assumption that established institutions will not swoop in to help.

"People will have to build institutions as they move forward," Ortiz said.

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"Occupy Wall Street" may be the beginning of a major social movement, but its ultimate impact will depend on the group's ability to produce a focused agenda and get organized, experts say. The pro...
"Occupy Wall Street" may be the beginning of a major social movement, but its ultimate impact will depend on the group's ability to produce a focused agenda and get organized, experts say. The pro...
 
 
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cornel
wuf wuf
02:12 PM on 10/05/2011
Why is the headline from the front page not OWS ? AOL said no !

Even wuf wuf Tamron Hall is reporting life from NY all afternoon !
KnoxScott
whatever
09:24 AM on 10/05/2011
Democrats, please explain why Bill Clinton and the Dem congress deregulate­d banks/inve­stment companies?

.....THIS PROBLEM STARTED IN THE 90's, but no one ever bring this up...The Gramm-Leach bill was passed in a republican held congress, but the vote in the senate was 90-8. That means most of the democrats voted for it too. Clinton's treasury guy, Robert Rubin pushed the bill through and then took a cushy job at Citibank, who had the most to gain since they had already started a merger with Travelers Group insurance. Clinton gave the pen he used to sign the bill to Sandy Weill, the CEO of Citibank, it is now displayed in their headquarters.

You talk about the republicans having control for the first six years of "W"s presidency. Remember that it took several years for the subprime loans started after deregulation to begin failing. The people that took out ARMs that had 2, 3, or 5 years before their rates went up and hoped their income would go up during that time are the ones to blame!
10:15 AM on 10/05/2011
See the 1994 "Contract On America" by Loot Getrich and his Republican cronies for your answers. By the way, how'd that work out for them?
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Exfl
A centrist until the center moved.
04:01 PM on 10/05/2011
Perhaps you forgot that the Bush administration actively encouraged people to use their home equity like an ATM in order to jump-start the economy in the wake of 9/11.
06:46 AM on 10/05/2011
Occupy Wall Street needs to be extened to "Occupy the Homes and Offices" of Republican Congressmen. Until the problem touches those who are obstructing change, nothing will change. That Congress is not holding hearings on the issues presented by this protest speaks volumes. The wagons need to encircle Eric Cantor's home, his office, and those of John Boehner, Paul Ryan, et al. The first demand of this effort needs to be a call for congressional resignations of targeted obstructionists.
KnoxScott
whatever
09:14 AM on 10/05/2011
Democrats, please explain why Bill Clinton and the Dem congress deregulated banks/investment companies?

An agreement between the Clinton administration and congressional Republicans, reached during all-night negotiations which concluded in the early hours of October 22, sets the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, lifting virtually all restraints on the operation of the giant monopolies which dominate the financial system.

The proposed Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 would do away with restrictions on the integration of banking, insurance and stock trading imposed by the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, one of the central pillars of Roosevelt's New Deal. Under the old law, banks, brokerages and insurance companies were effectively barred from entering each others' industries, and investment banking and commercial banking were separated
Wupta
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04:20 AM on 10/05/2011
For those us who support and participate in this movement it is very clear to us what we want to achieve. We also know what the source and causes of the problems are and how to go about changing them. It will take time but it will also happen, it is already having an impact.
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Matt Norman
05:51 AM on 10/05/2011
Way to not mention anything. To me it looks like your goals are to try and see how cool monster make-up looks.
09:20 AM on 10/05/2011
I see that the political statement that the 'zombie march' made is beyond your grasp, hence you try to downplay the significance of this by claiming "see how cool monster make-up looks". Not the best comment I've seen to counter-argue with, but go with it. It only makes you look that much smaller and petty
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Js420
Another beautiful sunny day!
12:25 PM on 10/05/2011
The lens through which you view things is tainted.
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NerdyStudent
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01:40 AM on 10/05/2011
Two parties:

A center-right party, the Democrats. And a right-wing party, the Republicans.

Please, don't refer to the Democrats as remotely close to the 'left' as I have instructed my students countless times...the closest moment in modern American history this may have been true (Johnson's Great Society) was quickly shunted (Chicago 1968) and later deconstructed (Clinton's welfare bill) and capped (Obama's bank bailout)...
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4eva
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12:16 AM on 10/05/2011
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/#44777334
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11:02 PM on 10/04/2011
October 6th is almost here:

http://october2011.org/
October 2011 | Human Needs, Not Corporate Greed

"...Starting on October 6, 2011, thousands of concerned Americans will assemble in Freedom Plaza, in Washington DC to take control of our country and our lives. We will occupy the plaza and hold a People's Assembly where we come up with just and sustainable solutions to the crises we face and demand that these solutions be presented and that the people's needs be addressed. We will plan and engage in creative acts of civil resistance and demand that our inherent rights and freedoms be protected, and that our children have a chance to live in peace,to breathe clean air, and to grow edible natural food..."

Bill Moyer and Chris Hedges are among the list of people.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
09:59 AM on 10/05/2011
So, why won't you be looking for a job, if your life is so underwater?
Semper fi
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11:01 AM on 10/05/2011
I didn't say anything about my life.
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Js420
Another beautiful sunny day!
12:27 PM on 10/05/2011
Miss your morning pill?
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Ralph Henderson
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02:14 AM on 10/07/2011
That is our patriotic duty...above all, to protect and uphold the constitution of the United States of America. After working most of my life to make other people rich, I'd say it'd be wrong (if not insane) to continue doing what doesn't work and is swiftly tearing a once promising country into pieces. Semper fi didn't always mean blind obedience, but critical and independent thinking combined with standing faithfully against what was wrong.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
08:56 PM on 10/07/2011
If you worked to make other people rich, I pity you. I work to make myself rich.
Semper fi
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rcozad
Manufacturers Representative Electronics Industry
09:00 PM on 10/04/2011
Those of us who were active participants in the Vietnam protest movement are well aware that there will never , ever be any corporate support and only minimum support from politicians. I was in the ROTC at the time as my school had a mandatory two year requirement which required , among other things, that we had to wear our uniform the day of our drill and the day of our first ROTC class each week. I was photographed at an off campus ( by three blocks) anti -war rally in my uniform much to the outrage of the ROTC department. Had I not been the son of a highly effective lawyer my college days would have been OVER ! As the ground sweel increased and finally Walter Cronkite took our side in opposition to the war did we finally prevail. Hopefully one of our news anchors will be in a strong enough position to defy his corporate owners and speak truth to power !
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Brian Austin
Gets more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
07:15 PM on 10/04/2011
The girl getting cuffed in the headline picture is angelic.
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TakeSake
The United States for All Americans
07:59 PM on 10/04/2011
Grace under pressure
Who do the police arrest?
Spring in the Autumn
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onehenry
Tea bags lose their flavor
10:51 PM on 10/04/2011
The police should make an about face and arrest the bankers.
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Joseph Glackin
W Nature dsnt do will be done by our fellow man
11:05 PM on 10/04/2011
Someone will print that, name it "Joan of OWS" or "The Madonna of Brooklyn," and it'll be everywhere.
04:58 PM on 10/04/2011
I have a few more "demands" to add to the list of grievances.
#14. I demand that the house cleaning and cooking fairies show up at my house ready to cook and clean at least once a week. I've been waiting for them for years and so far nothing. Why should I have to clean up behind myself and cook my own meals? Perhaps some of these protesters can come if the fairies are booked. The protesters are young and have a lot more energy than I do, and obviously they have a lot of free time. I think my demands are as resonable as theirs. BTW, I love the "solidarity" fist that is now the emblem for your cause but isn't that the same emblem for the National Socialist Party ? You know they tried your form of "Big Government in Europe for years and it didn't work well.
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onehenry
Tea bags lose their flavor
10:54 PM on 10/04/2011
There was people like you that said the same thing during the Viet Nam war protests.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
10:00 AM on 10/05/2011
They were correct then, also.
Semper fi
04:57 PM on 10/04/2011
A movement, seriously? These smirking, little X-box, iPad, iPhone users have the focus of a fruit fly. Once daddy stops sending checks, they all slink back to their homes or their dorms.
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Brian Austin
Gets more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
07:14 PM on 10/04/2011
That is an over generalization with no facts to back. And even if their Pops sends them money and they go to college, that means that they are not capable of starting a movement? Hey, at least they are going to college, take that teabaggers.
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E4RTH
Bop-shoo-wop, bop-bop-shoo-wop
07:53 PM on 10/04/2011
yeah, this dude just sounds like a d1ck
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
10:01 AM on 10/05/2011
You actually still believe that members of the Tea Party are not college grads, in spite of reported evidence to the contrary??
Semper fi
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darkmark
religion, the veil of evil.
01:20 AM on 10/05/2011
my son is an organizer of gsa, a clever clever young man. my younger brother and i have both said the same thing "we never did anything that big, that smart." my brother is a child psychologist and my career includes being busted 8 times. the children and grand children of the viet nam protesters just might have a big head start on that era. there's a recent history of left wing protest in this country. we started from complete ignorance. the corporates will never be satisfied. if there is more to be had they'll try to grab it. which means they are digging their own graves.
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Saje3d
Author, humorist, semi-professional wiseass.
03:38 PM on 10/04/2011
Fact is that there are a great many educated people among these protesters--the fellow who took a FOX News reporter to task the other day is a prime example of this. Intelligent, articulate, educated, knowledgeable, and FED UP. How many of these folks have no real opportunities going forward, despite possibly advanced degrees? Our economy is drying up because of the greed of the few stripping the value from any pursuit other than that of collecting money. Build nothing but financial empires and eventually they become unsustainable. We're knocking on your door, Wall Street. We're knocking on your door, Bank of America. We're knocking on your door, Chairman Bernanke. And we've got a few questions for you.
04:47 PM on 10/04/2011
The problem I see is the lack of young persons interested in living the american dream of small business ownership and buildintg it into a thriving large business. no spitit of entraprenurship or drive to suceed. Some may be held back by bank loan regulations for startups and uspto has 40 methods of stealing inventions. Thjere certainly not flocking to the source of top marketable invention conceptions to form partnerships with master conciever. They are passing by the large or small pile of money and going instinctively for the zero pile of money
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Sanders McGrillin
08:57 PM on 10/04/2011
How can you get started on a small business when the banks refuse to loan anyone money? How fortunate for you to probably start the begining of life well off & not know the value of a days work. I used to be in the US Army, ever see your sergeant shoot a 5 year old iraqi kid in the face & go about their day? Thats what our government thinks of you, The 99% are pissed that all government caters to is the 1%.
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onehenry
Tea bags lose their flavor
10:57 PM on 10/04/2011
It sounds like you think there should be 300,000,000 businesses, with no employees. Brilliant.
03:07 PM on 10/04/2011
great points. these protesters have many of the same sentiments as tea partiers but I'm sure they abhor the comparison

maybe they will start third political party: a mixture of green, Ron Paul and "get rid of student debt"
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msperry1123
02:59 PM on 10/04/2011
Yes, this is the beginning of a movement and it's been a long time coming. The best way to show your support is to get involved. My husband and I will be joining the local protest this weekend.
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
02:48 PM on 10/04/2011
its just a flavor of the month, eventually people will start to realize how smelly they are getting and head home.
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PCMinistry
Your Father
02:53 PM on 10/04/2011
What a sad comment.
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Ohin Gaston
03:38 PM on 10/04/2011
Right!? Do you even love America allengoldchain
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
04:27 PM on 10/04/2011
seriously I am saying that it is becoming bad hygiene for people to remain weeks on end without taking showers. I'm not against people protesting just make sure not to neglect normal habits of cleaning up.
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Saje3d
Author, humorist, semi-professional wiseass.
03:28 PM on 10/04/2011
Except the ones who no longer have a home. I'm sure they'll stick around. What do they have to lose, right? Here's a dime. Buy a clue.
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
04:28 PM on 10/04/2011
supposedly these are "regular working" class people who have traveled from miles away to protest. so I hope they have means of keeping clean so nobody get's sick out there. The weather has a way of passing things around if people don't keep a clean regiment.