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Low Wage Concerns Are Not The Ties That Bind at Zuccotti Park

Occupy Wall Street Police

First Posted: 10/04/11 12:33 PM ET Updated: 12/04/11 05:12 AM ET

On Sunday, Jack Adamo stood at the corner of Broadway and Cedar Street, one of the ways into Lower Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park, holding a hand-written sign: "Police Protecting and Serving The Shit Out of You!"

New York City's police officers are now tasked with patrolling the Occupy Wall Street protests, but they are also precisely the sorts of figures who are the objects of the movement's organizational engine as it seeks to broaden into a mass event. New York City cops are union members whose wages generally do not pay for the cost of living inside the city they patrol.

In conversation with police officers near Wall Street in recent days, few expressed solidarity with the protesters, even as many acknowledged they are, like much of the country, struggling to pay their bills. Most expressed resignation that they have a job to do, palatable or not.

“In a few words, it’s a real mess," said one officer standing on the periphery of the park Sunday watching protesters chant. The officer declined to give his name because of a standing order that bars officers from talking to reporters at the park.

"They got a bail out, we got left out," a man standing a few feet away screamed with one fist raised in the air. Soon, other protesters joined the chant.

Billionaire businessman and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has described the protesters as "misguided" and called their critique of economic conditions simplistic. Last week, Bloomberg refused to criticize a police officer’s decision to pepper spray a protester. And, Bloomberg indicated on his weekly radio show that protesters will not be allowed to permanently occupy Zuccotti Park.

Earlier this year, JPMorgan Chase Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon also made his support for New York police plain with a laudatory cliché. In a statement about a $4.6 million donation from JPMorgan to the New York City Police Foundation, Dimon said officers “put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe.”

The donation is the largest in the nonprofit New York Police Foundation’s history, but it came months before the protest in Zuccotti Park began, as part of a series of contributions JPMorgan Chase agreed to make beginning in 2010. The money will be used to buy new laptops for 1,000 patrol cars and other police equipment. The Foundation is not a part of the police department. JP Morgan did not respond to requests for comment about the donation or its timing.

Still, some protesters at Zuccotti Park Sunday described the donation as an attempt to curry favor and encourage a crack down on the protests. The contribution seemed to only add fuel to the fire of economic discontent. The donation was so outrageous to Roxanne Piccoli, a New Jersey community college student, that she showed up Sunday with a new sign: “Last Week, JP Morgan Chase Made the Largest Donation in History $4.6 Million to the NYPD!!” In the span of 10 minutes, six passersby asked her if the information on the sign was true. Piccoli referred them to JPMorgan's website, which doesn't identify the date of the donation.

“I don’t know anything about that donation,” said a second officer at the park on Sunday who declined to give his name. “We’re here to do a job. We have orders, pure and simple. And we certainly aren’t out here getting rich.”

The officer lives with his parents in Suffolk County because the city is too expensive for someone earning about $42,000 a year, he said. His pay is just enough to cover his student loans, gas, insurance and taxes. With what is left, he saves a little and helps his parents -- his father is a retired police officer -- with household bills, the officer said.

"How I’m going to pay my bills," the officer said. "That’s what concerns me. Trust me, moaning about what some people make and acting like a lunatic isn’t going to change anything."

The New York City Police Department did not respond to a request for comment by deadline about police pay or the share of officers who live inside the city. But, the New York City Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, a union, did.

A first-year police officer earns $41,975 a year, said Albert O’Leary, a spokesman for the NYC PBA. Six years later, that same officer will hit the maximum base pay ceiling for New York City police officers, $76,488.

That is considerably lower than the $102,000 maximum base pay earned by police officers in Long Island’s Suffolk County and less than the $96,000 police officers at the top of the Port Authority’s base pay scale earn. New York police officers are among the lowest paid law enforcement officials working in major cities across the country, O'Leary said.

Police officer pay is part of the reason that a little over half of New York’s police officers live somewhere inside the five boroughs and the remainder somewhere just outside the city, O’Leary said.

Harvey Katowitz was a New York City police officer for 27 years. While he was a part of the city’s police force, Katowitz lived in suburban Rockland County. It was the only way that he could afford a reasonable size home and to send his children to decent schools, he said. In 1995, he was a captain working in the Bronx when he retired and moved to lower-cost Charlotte, N.C..

"That’s why I don’t doubt that there are some officers out there that are conflicted or who feel a little sympathy for this cause," Katowitz said. "We know what working for a living and working for low wages means. But they (police officers) have a job to do and they have to do it."

Katowitz worries that police officers will be cast as willing foils trying to limit the protests or injure protesters for sport. Katowitz is particularly concerned about videos circulating around the web in which a New York City Police officer is shown pepper spraying protesters. He doubts that the people behind the videos captured everything that happened before and after the spraying. And, he thinks most people misunderstand police.

“Most police officers give you the impression they are very conservative,” said Katowitz, who is also president of the Charlotte branch National 10-13 Club, a reference to police radio code for officer in need of assistance. There are about 250 retired NYPD officers in the Charlotte area. Katowitz spends a lot of time with them. “But when you deal with social ills day in and day out, you are much more sympathetic. Yes, police officers tend to be law and order. But lot of us are also pretty liberal.”

Adamo, the man behind the anti-police sign, has a 9-to-5 job at an advertising agency in Manhattan. He joined the protesters in the park after work a few nights last week, then camped out with the group over the weekend. He thinks the police are monitoring protesters too closely.

“They should be out solving real crimes," said Adamo. “But these guys are probably worried they won’t get their paltry pensions if they don’t follow orders. They have to be."

Another officer working at the park on Sunday, who also declined to give his name, was stationed on a sidewalk along Broadway. His task: keeping the protesters inside the park and the sidewalk clear so that people could pass. At one end of the block a man held a sign that read “Ignore me. Go Shopping," a few feet away a woman bounced a placard that read “Expose the Power Structure Wake Up," above her head.

“What I’m concerned about is what kind of education are my kids getting at their school," said the officer, who also declined to give his name. "And, how come the crack war is over but kids are still dying in shootouts on Flatbush Ave.? That’s what concerns me."

The officer works in community affairs all over Manhattan but lives in Brooklyn. He can afford to live in the city because he bought a house in his neighborhood long before it gentrified, he said.

The officer, who earns about $60,000 a year, thinks most of the people in the park would make better use of their time if they put down their signs and got involved in grassroots community improvement, he said.

"There are a lot of walls around New York City covered in graffiti that could use some paint," he said.

Despite his limited pay and the fact that he hopes to rely heavily on his pension in retirement, the excesses of Wall Street aren’t something the officer worries about, he said.

"Up, down, sideways, it doesn’t matter what happens with that pension," he said. "I’ll find a way to survive. That’s what my family has always done. To tell you the truth, I think a lot of these people out here just need to wake up to that reality. You have to take care of yourself. If you do, you'll be fine."

But for some police retirees, leaving what most call, "the job," has ushered in an economic reality that is difficult to manage. Arthur Onody is president of the Hudson Valley branch 10-13 Association. Onody retired in 1988. He considers himself lucky to receive pension payments that amount to about $35,000 a year.

“When I worked those protest details up at the Columbia [University] sit-ins, I didn’t agree with those people,” said Onody, about protests that took place in the 1960s. “But I did my job. I assume that the guys out there at the park right now may be in pretty much the same situation. Of course, they also may not know what a New York City Police retirement really looks like.”

There are members of the Hudson Valley association who whose pensions pay out as little as $13,000 a year, Onody said. Police officers are also eligible for social security he said. But almost everyone has to work or chooses to do so in order to help children who haven’t had an easy time making it on their own, he said. That includes Onody.

"I’ll be driving some school kids home this afternoon," said Onody, 76, who is now working as a part-time bus driver.

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On Sunday, Jack Adamo stood at the corner of Broadway and Cedar Street, one of the ways into Lower Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park, holding a hand-written sign: "Police Protecting and Serving The Shit Out...
On Sunday, Jack Adamo stood at the corner of Broadway and Cedar Street, one of the ways into Lower Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park, holding a hand-written sign: "Police Protecting and Serving The Shit Out...
 
 
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08:45 AM on 10/12/2011
Good story! Thanks for the shout out :]

Jack

http://www.buzzfeed.com/fjelstud/the-best-signs-from-occupy-wall-street?p=2&&r=true&z=2KWZ89#responses
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KingofDetroit
Never Apologize. Never Explain.
01:34 PM on 10/06/2011
Most of these cops are too uninformed to understand that many of them be destitute when they retire. In large part due to corporate greed. The most an NYPD officeer can expect for a pension is 35k a year. Well below what it costs to live in NYC. You'd think the fact that they dont even make enough to live in the city they work in, would raise a red flag in their minds. But most police unfortunately, are blinded by their own authority and the "law and order" mindset.
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mrclark
I search for the America I believed in as a boy.
04:16 AM on 10/06/2011
The problem with law enforcement officers is they support law and order (even when it is wrong). The fight is not at this level it is at the representative level for that is where things need changed. The major problem destroying our country today is the amount of money going into politics through campaigns and advertising is allowing the buying of our representative government. If unaddressed either we will become a third world country by acceptance or our governemnt will fail due to a lack of support by the people.
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rikster
buy the ticket-take the ride
08:26 PM on 10/05/2011
of course they can't relate,,,,they are getting double time and a half for this....
05:15 PM on 10/05/2011
It is unfortunate your average NYPD officer has such as problem with math. Lets take a few commercial bank CEOs and compare their HOURLY wage(assuming a 40hr week/50 weeks a year) to a NYPD officers YEARLY wage. This is how many hour equals a whole year of officer pay...also these are using 2010s figures...

Bank of NY - 19.38 mil = $9689.63 /hr = 4.33 hours for new officers/7.89 hours for max base pay

JP Morgan - 20.81 mil = $10405 /hr = 4.03 hours for new/7.35 hours max base pay

I could go on and on...Wells Fargo - 18mil, PNC - 16.6mil, USB - 18.7mil

They are doing the bidding of and defending people who make more in a "honest" days work(or before lunch for new officers) then they make all year....In fact, the CEO of JP Morgan makes more than nearly 500 lower level police officers COMBINED.

Maybe these NYPD officers should reassess their priorities.
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04:29 PM on 10/05/2011
Of course not. They have secure pensions, secure health insurance, secure salaries and recourse if there is any dispute. They have no idea what it's really like to work in the US. Too bad Wall Street is so greedy, that they're even going after police, firemen, and lifeguards. Just a matter of time.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
03:46 PM on 10/05/2011
Well the GOP has a plan to replace you all with citizen patrols who are armed volunteers but work for those who will eventually eliminate most of your jobs...
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Kellyk311
Something Clever
02:22 PM on 10/05/2011
The powers that be love to use us against each other.

The teller at the bank you complain to over fees, she probably gets squeezed too. But they know she needs a job, and will be on the side of the company - or else. It is no different for these officers. They have families to feed, and even if their pensions were cut, their paychecks cut, they would still show up and arrest people who are protesting the same thing being done to them. 

This is the state we find ourselves in nation wide. We're all just the puppets of the powers that be. I wonder, do you think those in control sit back and have themselves a nice laugh over how easy it is for them to do it?
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PCMinistry
Your Father
02:20 PM on 10/05/2011
So obedient uniformed defenders of the State have little in common with open minded socially conscious protesters of the same?! Shocking! News at 11!! The elite probably think this sort of thing as high entertainment...but they still wouldn't toss those cops a scrap from their table.
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fineartgalaxy
Speaking from the heart, always.
01:09 PM on 10/05/2011
Quite some apathy in this police dept. They have just resigned themselves simply because they have a job. Apathy we do not want. Apathy we do not care for. Resignation to tolerate and accept to be robbed by WS and the banking industry, we do not accept. The blessed police officers can speak for themselves. Not for me.
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General Washington
In the future, I return as Geddy Lee
01:00 PM on 10/05/2011
Memo: To NYPD. To wit, the following:

"Congress shall make no law ... abridging ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble..."
01:13 PM on 10/05/2011
They have the right to peacefully assemble following the laws of the location in which they are assembling.
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General Washington
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03:15 PM on 10/05/2011
Which must be in accordance with the supreme law of the land (see above).
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rikster
buy the ticket-take the ride
08:27 PM on 10/05/2011
those days are over.....
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General Washington
In the future, I return as Geddy Lee
10:02 PM on 10/05/2011
Obviously...
12:23 PM on 10/05/2011
Janell, you're off on a tangent to the issue. The protests are not about "low wage concerns."

They're all about the elite who fund our politicians in office, e.g., financial industry, insurance and pharma industries, etc., being protected and many having received gigantic bailouts with public money, while we have millions of those who paid taxes having lost their homes and jobs due to the criminal acts of those being protected due to their financial leverage.

No, Janell, don't minimize the current major protests by implying they are about "low wages." It's a helluva lot more than that.
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BeerLover
Carpe Diem!
12:01 PM on 10/05/2011
I am NOT at all concerned about the cops....who do Wall Street's bidding. They do not protect the interests of American citizens as a whole.

The NYPD was directly responsible for the death of many firemen..... because they did not communicate that a second plane hat hit Bldg 2.

Now, they trample on the freedoms of citizens.....who pay for their cushy salaries and big retirement packages.

Your tax dollars at work.
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Lambpie
Accuse your opponent of what you do. . .
11:51 AM on 10/05/2011
They don't have to relate. They need to respect the laws and the right to protest.
12:57 PM on 10/05/2011
They have been. The protesters, by their own admission, are not familiar with the laws and have broken them.

That's in spite of the NYCLU meeting with the core 200, providing them with a list of the rules they had to follow in NYC and providing them with phone numbers if they had questions.
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lateralus1983
Like a scrotum here it is in a nutshell.
03:52 PM on 10/06/2011
Tell that to the protesters who were maced.
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Mister Grumpy
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11:36 AM on 10/05/2011
Funny........ the police officer says the city walls are covered with graffiti, but I ask why is that?....... Seems if they were doing their jobs instead of sitting in coffee shops eating donuts the graffiti wouldn't be near the problem that it is........
12:58 PM on 10/05/2011
Not from NYC, are you?