#OccupyWallStreet: Judge Rejects Transport Worker Union's Claim That NYPD Can't Use Buses

Wall Street Protest Arrest

By LARRY NEUMEISTER   10/ 4/11 05:00 PM ET   AP

NEW YORK -- City bus drivers are told when they are hired that they someday may be called upon to assist the police department, a judge noted Tuesday as he rejected a request to ban police from using city buses to transport arrested protesters.

U.S. District Judge Paul E. Engelmayer made the ruling from the bench after listening to arguments from a lawyer for The Transport Workers Union of Greater New York and attorneys for the city and the New York City Transit Authority.

The union had sought a temporary restraining order and a preliminary injunction, saying that police might try to commandeer buses again during a protest on Wednesday if a judge did not protect the drivers.

But Engelmayer noted that the bus controversy over the Occupy Wall Street demonstration on Saturday was unusual because no one could remember another instance in which the police department asked city bus drivers to transport people after arrests. Police stopped four city buses, asking the drivers to go to the Brooklyn Bridge to pick up some of the 700 people who were surrounded by officers in the middle of the bridge and arrested.

Engelmayer cited a section of the new bus operator's instruction manual that puts bus drivers on notice that they may be called upon to assist police officers, as they were after a building collapse, on Sept. 11, 2001, and during Hurricane Irene, when 200 buses were used to evacuate nursing homes.

The judge said he would not order a stop to the use of buses to transport people during an emergency because it did not appear that the union had legal standing to bring the lawsuit. He said it did not appear that the Constitution was violated and the proposed ban on the police department was overly broad.

Baimusa Kamara, a lawyer for the New York City Transit Authority, told Engelmayer that police officers and bus drivers shared a responsibility to keep the public safe.

"They call us. They say, `We need help.' And we do it," Kamara said of the response the transit authority gives when called upon for help by police.

He added: "We're a government agency and we've assisted the city every time they've asked us to assist."

Grantley Greenidge, 57, one of the bus drivers who carried protesters on his bus Saturday, attended the hearing Tuesday to support the union's effort.

"It was unprecedented to back a bus across the Brooklyn Bridge," he said.

He said he saw several protesters on bicycles and worried that they would be struck by the bus.

"If I had injured one of them, I would have to live with that," he said.

Greenidge said he did not object when police approached him in Brooklyn and asked him to carry protesters. He said the protesters were better behaved than many of his usual passengers, and they thanked him as they got off the bus even though they were in handcuffs.

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08:28 PM on 10/07/2011
The Transit Workers Union took a noble position, which was great. It doesn't really matter that they are now compelled to transport protesters. What the administration and police don't seem to understand is that every mass arrest, every use of mace, and every swing of the club only serve to strengthen OWS.
11:24 AM on 10/07/2011
Wow the face that launched a thousand occupations - anyone know who she is?
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10:04 AM on 10/06/2011
OK... let the bus drivers drive the busses in REVERSE to their destination for booking by and large innocent protestors.
07:54 AM on 10/06/2011
Stating the obvious here, you will not see a girl that hot at a Tea Party rally. Never.
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Death...the last new experience you will ever have
02:49 AM on 10/06/2011
One piece of good news and one bad on the subject. Yesterday on Amy Goodman held a press conference and announced that the City of St Paul, where the last Republiwon't Convention was held, and the Secret Service had decided to settle the lawsuit Amy and 2 of her staff brought against them for false arrest and injuries incurred during that arrest. The St Paul PD did what the NYPD is presently doing. Amy went to see why 2 of her reporters had been arrested and then kicked and drug across the pavement even tho they had identified them selves as Press. When Amy arrived she too was taken down and then arrested. When she pointed out that they had press id around their necks a Secret Service guy came over and jerked them off their necks. Both the SS and the SPPD have agreed to set up a special training program to alter the way they treat and arrest protestors and deal with the press. Now for the bad news. Several corporations have donated large sums of money to the NYPD to help them with crowd controll and surveillance. Whet we are seeing is the police being paid by corporations to do their bidding. These tactics reflect the need of the NYPD and other depts to show that they can protect and serve the filthy rich and their corporations. Go to DemocracyNow.org to hear about all this. Can't imagine why Huffpo hasn't brought this up? Maybe Ariana doesn't like the competition?
08:37 AM on 10/06/2011
They also tried to squelched that video with the racist Israelis.
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02:10 AM on 10/06/2011
too bad guys!
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TheHandyman
Death...the last new experience you will ever have
02:35 AM on 10/06/2011
No, too bad for you. You believe that this will never happen to you. Many Germans and Italians felt just like you back in the 30's. They were law abiding citizens, until one day the police arrived at their door and they were never heard from again. But this is America, right? You know, Land of the free home of the brave. Nothing like that would ever happen here like that. Except the shootout on the Indian Reservation, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Philadelphia, Newark, Los Angeles, MacArthur Park, Watts. If it doesn't happen to you, it will be because of the people in various cities in the US who are trying to take back the rights the filthy rich and their goons have stolen from all of us, even you!
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Sabrae
Talk to the paws.
12:05 AM on 10/06/2011
Common sense would tell you that there is a vast difference between evacuating citizens in imminent danger and transporting criminals.

No, I don't see peaceful protesters as criminals, but under arrest and handcuffed puts them in that category.

I would ask the judge if it is lawful to request anyone outside of the justice system to transport criminals.
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02:40 AM on 10/06/2011
I would not say common sense as there really is no such thing. But logic and rational thought on the other hand would seem to dictate such an outcome. This is one of those cowardly, and self absorbed judges like the ones who were hung in Germany after the war who claimed during their trials at Nuremberg that they didn't make the laws they were only following them. This guy is more about the Law than he is about Justice. He mistakenly believes there is no difference!
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03:46 PM on 10/06/2011
Actually, I have to side with the judge. While I serously doubt this is what they had in mind when they modified the manual after 9/11. It is what is in the books.
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Sabrae
Talk to the paws.
04:41 PM on 10/06/2011
I see it in the same light as an officer commandeering your car to chase a suspect.
They don't hop in the passenger seat and order you to, " Follow that car! "

In my ever so humble opinion, the NYPD should have thought of how they were going to transport 700 arrested protestors before trapping them on the bridge.

Getting technical, one could say that by commandeering public transport deprived the public of transport.
08:49 PM on 10/05/2011
Real Brains at work here Girl may have has no money for rent or food, Student Loan Debt, Credit Card Debt, No Decent Job Prospects - - Idiot Gov. machine Response -- Give the Girl a Criminal Record. Answer; Fire the Mayor .Fire Congress. DRAFT A BILL that calls on FAILED Lawyer polititions to Resign. Special Elections - Only Socialy Responsible - Business people for State and Fed Congressional office. CLEAN HOUSE.

You Old Comfortable Sheltered , Self centered Gas Bags took the Corp. money -- Banking(credit card interests ) , Big Pharma ,( Outragous profit margins - plus make Vitimins and suplements more expensive harder to get) Defence contractors ( Failed Wars - TOO COSTLY) , Insurance Industry ( CROOKS) etc... and Ran us over. Now you Step Down and ALLOW HONEST YOUNG Business People to create grants and Loans for New Ventures and Small Buisnesses. Thats how new jobs can be created in the United States. We have Smart Creative People that NEED CAPITAL to GROW BUISNESSES. and CREATE JOBS. Lower credit card interest to 4.5 percent. Reform Bankrupsey - one time - No Penalty for Personal Bankrupsey including all Student Loans (no jobs) medical bills, and credit card bills to be expunged with no Huge Cost an no Penalty. = BAIL OUT For the Regular people - you no the suckers who voted for you and have Suffered with your incompetence.
05:56 PM on 10/05/2011
Fix this headline, please. The grammar is incorrect. It should be changed to "Can't Use Buses" as opposed to "Can't Uses Buses."
08:44 AM on 10/06/2011
Geez, get a life.
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05:35 PM on 10/05/2011
Ever wonder why priest and judges wear black robes? These guys were created from the same groups and protect the same institutions.

We're not going to accept this anymore.......
03:25 PM on 10/05/2011
Why not just let them walk to the local police station? The K9 dogs will help keep everything orderly and assist the slow and unmotivated. Then everybody is happy. However, the union bus drivers won't get any overtime so they won't be able to afford the extra trip to Walmart to buy goods manufactured by non-union Chinese labor.
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03:01 AM on 10/06/2011
It is a good thing I know the difference between abusive and offensive or I would flag it. They really should allow us to flag stuff for being ignorant and stupid. People like you are too stupid that these protestors are out their on your behalf because you are too willfully ignorant and gleefully stupid to know what the banks and the filthy rich are doing to you.
01:29 PM on 10/08/2011
I understand your manifesto ... We invite people to America to this land of opportunity so we can suck them dry when they become successful. Yah gotta love it..
Somewhere between the top 5 & 10 % of our population pays more than 50 % of the taxes.. They?rich? pay enough.

I believe two things relative to taxes get rid of the loop holes and everybody should pay taxes.

The best thing that can happen the entire tax code gets dumped and re written. How do yoy feel about H Cain's proposal ?

Notice there was no name calling or insults in this . I'm a slightly right of center republican.
02:36 PM on 10/05/2011
What about the cops responsibility to keep the public safe and not use excessive force?
01:55 PM on 10/05/2011
Tough luck. It's in their contract that they must render this service if called upon to do so. Those who claim that they never heard of this should take the time to read their contracts before signing them.
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
04:45 PM on 10/05/2011
Do you have a link to this contract?
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Eris23
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01:25 PM on 10/05/2011
So, make it even easier. Instruct the drivers not to break with the protesters and refuse to drive the things. The police are then out of luck lest they know how to drive a bus.
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01:40 PM on 10/05/2011
I am sure there are 1,000 that would be glad to have that bus drivers job and if he is not willing to do it, someone else will.
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
01:43 PM on 10/05/2011
If the union is behind it, who is going to get fired for following union policy? Driving a bus isn't something that one just picks up overnight. So, if the police and City Hall want to have a heavy hand in making arrests, let them deal with the repercussions of not having bus drivers at their disposal to transport prisoners.
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03:03 AM on 10/06/2011
Yes, there are thousand of twits just like you who would sell out their mothers too!
03:42 PM on 10/05/2011
Its in their contract, they don't have a choice.
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Eris23
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03:58 PM on 10/05/2011
It's not in their contract at all. By law, police can commandeer a vehicle in the case of an emergency. A bus operator could also engage in civil disobedience by showing up and then refusing to drive. At that point, what do the officers do? They simply have another person they are threatening to arrest who they can't transport anywhere, in addition to a stationary bus adding to congestion.
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01:27 AM on 10/06/2011
We always have a choice. Maybe not a choice we like, but always a choice.
12:43 PM on 10/05/2011
My husband works for the MTA and he has NEVER heard of this. There is a HUGE safety factor in letting an unarmed bus driver pick up arrests, even if most of these folks will get barely a desk appearance ticket.

What the drivers should do is REFUSE to pick anyone up, call their supervisor and let the supervisor deal w/the situation. It's utter bullcrap that a bus driver should put his life on the line for this.
02:37 PM on 10/05/2011
Exactly my thoughts. What's to protect the driver from the arrested people?
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03:23 PM on 10/05/2011
i'd imagine there would be cops too on the bus.
03:42 PM on 10/05/2011
Maybe he should read the contract.