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First Posted: 10/05/11 07:21 PM ET Updated: 12/05/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Republicans claim the Obama administration is choking small business with burdensome workplace regulations. Democrats say the few new regulations are modest and save lives. And caught in the middle of this ideological debate are America's roofers.

On Wednesday, residential roofing and its dangers became the focus in Washington's discussion over how much regulation is too much in a sluggish economy. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration, a regulatory arm of the Labor Department, recently instituted a rule requiring that safety harnesses be used on many residential roofing projects. Although OSHA officials say the rule will prevent maiming and death, Republicans and the construction lobby say it will merely create more red tape and unnecessary costs.

The head of OSHA, David Michaels, was asked by Republicans to appear before a House subcommittee on Wednesday to justify the roofing rule and a small handful of other initiatives put forth by the agency. Last week House Republicans had proposed a labor and education budget that included a number of riders aimed at scuttling OSHA's safety plans, including the roofing rule, and slashing the Labor Department's job-training budget.

Michaels said that the workplace safety rules were "vitally important" and that, despite opposition from Republicans and the housing industry, he is "committed to moving them forward as expeditiously as possible." He noted that OSHA has developed and instituted only two new workplace safety rules under the Obama administration, one pertaining to cranes and derricks and the other to shipyards. Many of the agency's newer rules had been in the works for years.

Yet Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.), chairman of the workforce protections subcommittee, described a president and Labor Department that were pummeling the country's job creators with regulations.

"It was clear from the early days of the administration [that] a new sheriff was in town, who intended to take a much more punitive approach to workplace safety and who threatened to publicly shame employers," Walberg said. "But we must not ignore the employers who are sitting on the sidelines, questioning the future cost of doing business, reluctant to hire new workers."

Homebuilders and construction companies working on residential properties were previously exempted from an OSHA rule requiring that roof workers be protected with harnesses. The rule that went into effect in September removes that exemption and requires harnesses for workers toiling six feet or more off the ground. The rule also eliminates "slide guards" -- pieces of wood, at least 2 inches by 6 inches, bracketed to a sloped roof -- as an acceptable safety precaution. (For roofers' critical reaction to the rule changes, see this article in the Palm Beach Post.)

The National Association of Home Builders had originally recommended that OSHA remove the residential exemption for the sake of industrywide clarity and consistency. But the powerful trade group has since changed its position and now wants OSHA to consider revising the rule, arguing that it could be too difficult to follow in certain situations.

"We're finding that there's a difference in interpretation as to how the standard applies," Susan Asmus, senior vice president of regulatory affairs at the homebuilders trade group, told HuffPost. "There are a number of activities for which we believe providing [harness] systems is impractical or impossible. OSHA believes that those instances are very few and far between."

One of the fiercest critics of the roofing rule on Wednesday was Rep. Reid Ribble (R-Wis.), who was involved in the roofing business for more than 30 years and previously served as the president of the National Roofing Contractors Association. Ribble said the costs of the new regulation would be passed on to homeowners, many of whom would end up forgoing roof repairs because of it.

"As the price goes up, and it has to go up, that family now can't afford it. So demand goes down as rules and regulations are piled on," Ribble said.

"Obviously, it's going to raise some costs, but it's going to save some lives," Michaels, the OSHA chief, responded. "We think this is a reasonable cost."

Financial disclosures forms say that Ribble received $17,000 in "salary" last year from the Ribble Group Inc., a Wisconsin-based roofing company founded by Ribble's father, but Ashley Olson, a Ribble spokeswoman, said the money was in fact a loan repayment. Ribble has also received $10,000 in campaign contributions from the National Roofing Contractors Association this election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Olson said the congressman sold his interest in the Ribble Group last year and no longer has ties.

"He does not sit on the board, nor does he have any control over the operations or finances of the company," Olson wrote in an email. "He is still very passionate about the roofing and construction industry … and government regulations in general."

At the hearing, Rep. Tim Bishop (D-N.Y.) said that the roofing issue cuts to the heart of the broader political debate over regulations and the economy. Citing recent news reports and Labor Department surveys that suggest regulations have had minimal effect on hiring, Bishop said businesses are suffering not from an excess of red tape but from a steep drop in consumer demand.

"Do we have an over-regulatory problem? I think it's debatable at best," Bishop said. "This hearing is part of the majority's thesis that regulation is the problem. ... We have to ask ourselves the very real question, 'Is this a solution in search of a problem?' We can solve every regulatory problem we have today. But unless we increase demand tomorrow, we're going to have a serious jobs problem."

Several Democrats suggested that the roofing rule shouldn't be blocked just to save businesses money, arguing that it would ultimately save lives. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) tried to underscore this point in an exchange with Ribble, who said his roofing company never suffered a fatality.

"I have to ask something," Kucinich said to his colleague. "Have you ever fallen off a roof?"

CORRECTION: This story originally described slide guards as being "two by fours." In fact, slide guards must be at least two inches by six inches.

"No, sir," Ribble responded.

"I'm glad for that," Kucinich said. "That's my only question."

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WASHINGTON -- Republicans claim the Obama administration is choking small business with burdensome workplace regulations. Democrats say the few new regulations are modest and save lives. And caught in...
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03:55 PM on 11/01/2011
I think OSHA should pass a law that we all have to harness in before we walk up stairs. Think this is moronic.....Way more accidents by people walking up the stairs then roofers on residential roofing projects. This is not the 1800 's .Roofers have the right safety equiptment for the job. Goverment just wants to be able to money grab when it feels like it.
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11:13 AM on 10/15/2011
I watched a show on hgtv awhile back that was all about this subject and in it they interviewed everyone from the supervisors to the guys putting the roofs on ,And with out fail they were all for these regulations simply put they save lives it takes about 5 minutes to properly use one of the harnesses and then your done until the end of the day . As one roofer put it hey they are a bit inconvenience but hey there are going to save lives small trade off for a mans life to hook up one of these and go home at the end of the day. The super added all new regulations take an adjustment time and this will work out just fine. safety should always come first on any job site.
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jimtodd
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11:02 AM on 10/09/2011
The idea that regulations are harming the economy is total right wing BS. It is part of the larger program to rid corporations of any and all restrictions on their ability to exploit the worker and the economy. The argument here, that adding a one time cost of $100 per employee is going to significantly impact the roofing industry, is ludicrous. This is nothing more than right wing pandering to an ignorant audience. The GOP believes and legislates with the attitude that human lives are a secondary consideration to corporate profits.
03:48 PM on 11/01/2011
You are way off on the cost of the extra regulation. The harness systems cost a couple hundred dollars and are important on steep slope applications . The problem is they add $700 to $1500 in lost time on low slope projects . Do you really believe that the federal goverment cares about the average worker ? OSHA is a money grab and thats all it is .
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giftsthatpurr
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01:25 PM on 10/08/2011
Okay - I read the article, and what is glaringly evident is that we have Safety in one corner of the ring and Cost in the other corner. When they come out swinging it's Human Lives vs Money. I know which one I'd bet on because I go for saving a life every time!
07:05 PM on 10/07/2011
Interesting you changed the picture. This picture is not a accurate example of the things roofing contractors are complaining about. Why don't you show the low slope roof six foot off the ground that OSHA is regulating. Why don't you show the real truth in your story. This picture, although untypical, is however a great example of how a worker can be safe even in dangerous places. He looks alive and well- - - just saying!
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Flavor
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04:57 PM on 10/06/2011
I believe safety is needed, your life is more valuable than any roof. If you don't have you, then you can't work anywhere let alone doing a roof. A client I had years ago in a local Hospital I worked in, fell off a roof due to his own negligence of not having proper equipment & from that fall he got paralyzed from the waist down & he died three years later from pneumonia, he was 52 yrs old.
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01:29 PM on 10/08/2011
Absolutely! Who wants to go back to the dark ages. Ooops - forgot - there are those that want to regress. F/F
03:50 PM on 11/01/2011
Was he a trained roofer?
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05:41 PM on 11/01/2011
Yes, he said that it was his own negligence that got him in trouble.
02:37 PM on 10/06/2011
Pretty typical, the story is about OSHA and FAll Safety when it comes to Residential Roofing. The picture illustrating this is of Mason Contractors installing cement block.

The new Governement Regulations are a complete safety overkill and will increase the cost of installing a roof on everyones home.
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11:20 AM on 10/15/2011
that simply is not true the actual cost should be very minimal it is a harness that goes on like a shirt and latches toward the high point of the building so in case they do fall it just isn't going to be far I say a persons life if worth the $50 one time cost for each harness
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11:37 AM on 10/06/2011
OSHA needs to be disbanded along with every other facet of Nanny Statism. We need to put people back to work and we can start by treating them like adults rather than children.
06:04 PM on 10/06/2011
The big mistake with OSHA is that they want an employer to be responsible if a worker is careless. Poor workers can't take care of themselves. Its always someone else fault. Truth is if someone is careless regardless weather they are on the ground or on a roof they will eventually get hurt. This does not change with personal fall protection equipment.
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giftsthatpurr
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01:28 PM on 10/08/2011
Now you can't possibly believe that the only reason a worker gets hurt is his/her own carelessness ???- - though I agree workers are resilient, there also have been MANY cases of negligent owners. C'mon now, let's be realistic.
11:02 AM on 10/06/2011
Basically they are saying that the small cost of requiring harnesses is way too much compared to the cost of a persons life.
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11:39 AM on 10/06/2011
Maybe it is and maybe it isn't but it isn't the government's choice. It's up to the individual worker to decide for himself what sort of safety equipment he feels comfortable with. Are we adults or are we children?
03:19 PM on 10/06/2011
We have been roofing for years, my father grew a nice business and then OSHA steps in and tells us what we need to do. Harnesses, hard hats, kickers, baricades, safety nets, the list goes on. Safety kits per individual costs on the average of $170.00 each. The kit includes harness, rope, soft stop, D ring, roof anchor. Then add in the costs of the other items required, hard hats, safety glasses, hearing protection, etc. Granted, we like our employees safe, just like the next guy, but the cost does have an impact on all of us.
We have had more work related injuries due to the "safety ropes" that are tied off to the roof and the roofer.
If the fall protection rules continue to increase, it will continue to raise our costs, which we pass on to the consumer. Then the consumer cannot afford a new roof, so they think they can do the job themselves. What happens to the homeowner that tries to do the work themselves? Sometimes it works out fine, sometimes...not so much...
06:35 PM on 10/06/2011
Next will be OSHA requiring company owner to make sure all employees brush their teeth, you can't expect these poor workers to take care of themselves. This must be a good law, I mean it is for their protection, Right?
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01:25 PM on 10/06/2011
"Small cost"? Here's a dose of reality for you. Let's pretend that it only costs $100 per worker, per job to implement a fall protection system. The Center for Construction Research and Training says the annual death rate for roofers is 1 in 3340. If each roofer does 50 jobs per year that's 1 death for every 167,000 jobs. That makes the cost of saving a roofer's life $16.7 million. Assuming not a single roofer dies anyway.

More reality: the actual cost is going to be more than $100 per job. And it's going to apply to far more than roofing. Painting a house that requires the painter to stand 6' above the ground? They'll need fall protection. Building a deck that's 6' above the ground? Yup, more fall protection. Putting in an in-ground pool that's 6' deep? You guessed it. Replacing a window that's 6' above the ground and less than 39" above the floor? Even that requires fall protection under the new rules.
02:04 PM on 10/10/2011
yes small cost compared to people getting hurt or dying. Death is not the only result.
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dfranz
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10:46 AM on 10/06/2011
Guess what, most reputable residential roofing company have their workers using harnesses at all times. OSHA rules came into being because of a need and construction is one of the indusrtry leaders when it comes to workers accidental deaths.Obviously Republicans put the minimal cost of a harness and a fall protection program over the value of one persons life.

It seems like the perfect analogy for their attitude towards American workers in general to me.
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10:50 AM on 10/06/2011
That is complete B.S..

Restraints are fairly common on large commercial projects....as a requirement by their insurance carrier.

Restraints in RESIDENTIAL Roofing???...........not on your life. It does NOT happen.
faithva
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10:58 AM on 10/06/2011
Yes it does. On my brother-in-laws' house, the roofing company required everyone on the roof to have a harness, and that was 15 years ago. The cost of the harness was minimal, the owner said, an accident or death is not. Plus he said that the cost was part of the job cost, passed on to the consumer and written off on taxes. My husband, a contractor, said that it was common practice to nail lumber to the roof in case of slips, and he muttered and grumbled about harnesses, but still wore one if he was up on a roof; especially after I bought more life insurance for him.
03:22 PM on 10/06/2011
Oh yes it does happen!
Comply or else!!!
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10:33 AM on 10/06/2011
This is a tough call. I have owned a small construction company for 35 years and we do roofing amoung many things. No one has ever fallen from a residential roof in my business. Everyone is instructed to think and not be in a hurry. In pitches 8" and above we do wear a harness with a rope tied to the crown of the roof and of course have 2x4 lumber nailed to the roof to assist in footing. I have always stressed safety over speed. I do sympathize with larger roofing companies who have multiple employees and the added cost of government regs.
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10:52 AM on 10/06/2011
The point of most Federal Regulation is to throw your kind of "common sence" our the window......along with the commen sence of the employees who are asked...not made...to do the work.

One the feds get involved ...the mandate then applies to most situations where the additional care is NOT required.
11:03 AM on 10/06/2011
No. it is to save the lives of the people who work for irresponsible employers.
06:25 PM on 10/06/2011
This new ruling is designed to make the employers responsible allowing the workers to be irresponsible. I have owned a roofing company for 37 years and employed hundreds of worker and replaced 1000's of roofs. In that whole time ever fall related accident could be tracked back to substance abuse or carelessness. This ruling will harm business and penalize homeowner with higher prices and do nothing to protect the careless workers.
10:29 AM on 10/06/2011
The lack of a regulation doesn't mean you can't wear a safety harness, if you think it is necessary. Presumably, if the roof is flat or only slightly pitched, it is not necessary for healthy young roof workers. If the roof is steep, then they should have enough sense to take proper precautions.
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11:42 AM on 10/06/2011
Exactly! We are talking about adults who are potty trained and everything. These men are capable of deciding for themselves what sort of safety equipment they need.
03:39 PM on 10/06/2011
Flat roofs have their own set of safety rules! Guard rails, warning lines, safety net system, personal fall arrest system or a combination of warning line/safety monitor system.
Then there is always the training sessions, and more rules about ladders, roofing equipment, material handling and storing, etc.
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Ohsotired
10:24 AM on 10/06/2011
So, the lobbying money couldn't go for rebates to companies that purchase harnesses? Skewed priorities...enough said.
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10:10 AM on 10/06/2011
The only thing regulations cause, less campaign donations and less money for box seats at sports arenas for elected officials to sit in for FREE.
10:01 AM on 10/06/2011
What a joke - simply more wimpification of America. I guess workers are judged to be too "dumb" to judge for themselves what precautions to take when on roofs. Ridiculous. Nanny state run even more amuck.
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okim5150
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10:10 AM on 10/06/2011
So you are good with paying disability for the guys who fall? How much would requiring a harness add to the cost of building you house compared with paying disability for life to a guy who fell off and broke his back?
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10:20 AM on 10/06/2011
Probably less than 50 bucks. The issue is the number of shingles they can lay per hour, which of course costs the boss money. And the attitude that 'safety is for wimps' is a common management deflection tactic. By making it seem like this attitude is common among workers, there is plausible deniability when they are at fault for not providing basic safety infrastructure (such as harnesses).
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Amazonia26
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10:21 AM on 10/06/2011
Jeez, don't you get it? We let them die. Seriously, if he's so irresponsible he falls off a roof he deserves to die, right? Can't be supporting them on the taxpayers dime....
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10:16 AM on 10/06/2011
We have drivers too dumb to get behind the wheel while intoxicated, while texting, while putting on make-up, while reading. You get my drift? Truth is, anyone can faint from a series of unexplained reasons. I'd rather have a harness on to save my life, you?