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Netherlands Marijuana Law: Dutch Government To Classify Marijuana As Hard Drug

Dutch Marijuana Law

By TOBY STERLING   10/ 7/11 01:32 PM ET   AP

AMSTERDAM -- The Dutch government said Friday it would move to classify high-potency marijuana alongside hard drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy, the latest step in the country's ongoing reversal of its famed tolerance policies.

The decision means most of the cannabis now sold in the Netherlands' weed cafes would have to be replaced by milder variants. But skeptics said the move would be difficult to enforce, and that it could simply lead many users to smoke more of the less potent weed.

Possession of marijuana is technically illegal in the Netherlands, but police do not prosecute people for possession of small amounts, and it is sold openly in designated cafes. Growers are routinely prosecuted if caught.

Economic Affairs Minister Maxime Verhagen said weed containing more than 15 percent of its main active chemical, THC, is so much stronger than what was common a generation ago that it should be considered a different drug entirely.

The high potency weed has "played a role in increasing public health damage," he said at a press conference in The Hague.

The Cabinet has not said when it will begin enforcing the rule.

Jeffrey Parsons, a psychologist at Hunter College in New York who studies addiction, said the policy may not have the benefits the government is hoping for.

"If it encourages smoking an increased amount of low-concentration THC weed, it is likely to actually cause more harm than good," he said, citing the potential lung damage and cancer-causing effects of extra inhalation.

The Dutch Justice Ministry said Friday it was up to cafes to regulate their own products and police will seize random samples for testing.

But Gerrit-Jan ten Bloomendal, spokesman for the Platform of Cannabis Businesses in the Netherlands, said implementing the plan would be difficult "if not impossible."

"How are we going to know whether a given batch exceeds 15 percent THC? For that matter, how would health inspectors know?" he said. He predicted a black market will develop for highly potent weed.

The ongoing Dutch crackdown on marijuana is part of a decade-long rethink of liberalism in general that has seen a third of the windows in Amsterdam's famed prostitution district shuttered and led the Netherlands to adopt some of the toughest immigration rules in Europe.

The number of licensed marijuana cafes has been reduced, and earlier this year the government announced plans to ban tourists from buying weed. That has been resisted by the city of Amsterdam, where the marijuana cafes known euphemistically as "coffee shops" are a major tourist draw.

Marjan Heuving of the Netherlands' Trimbos Institute, which studies mental health and addiction, said there is a growing body of evidence that THC causes mental illnesses.

She said it stands to reason "the more THC the body takes in, the more the impact." But it has not been demonstrated scientifically that high THC weed is worse for mental health, she said.

Parsons of Hunter College said it remains difficult to be sure whether marijuana causes mental problems or whether people predisposed to, say, depression seek it out as a form of self-medication.

The Trimbos Institute says the average amount of THC in Dutch marijuana is currently around 17.8 percent. It has been declining since 2004 after increasing steadily from 4 percent or so in the 1970s.

By comparison, in the United States the average level of THC in marijuana is around 10 percent and rising, according to the last measure released by the Office of National Drug Control Policy in 2009.

Heuving agreed with Ten Bloomendal that determining THC levels outside of a laboratory setting would prove difficult, as exact content varies widely from batch to batch and even within a single plant.

"I don't know of any home test," she said. "How this is going to work in practical terms, I have no idea."

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11:58 PM on 10/19/2011
That wouldnt be fair , what about Alcohol that has 40+% , that should be illegal too then , but no alc get the gov alot of $$ , plus more potent weed means you dont need as much to get high.
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spacewalker
no time to hate
05:22 PM on 10/16/2011
Another blow to small businesses that have been open for decades,another attempt by those in power to stop us from smoking Marijuana.It won't work and we will continue to smoke for pleasure and marijuana will ALWAYS be available for anyone and everyone who wants it.All this new attention to these shops is just this country doing what the American Gov't want them to do.Pathetic.
06:27 PM on 10/10/2011
Great idea Netherlands! Because the war on drugs is such a success!
It is modeled after the prohibition of alcohol, which was also a great success.
05:32 AM on 10/10/2011
big mistake . . .keep it legal
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European1919
I am the PigmⒶn
01:35 AM on 10/10/2011
All good things must come to an end.
02:14 PM on 10/09/2011
American hegemonic forces are influencing social and political outcomes in the Netherlands.
02:40 PM on 10/09/2011
And everywhere else. Would you rather have hegemonic China? France? Gemany? Russia? We'll sort it out eventually...
02:50 PM on 10/09/2011
No, I want radical sovereignty for all countries.
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John Pedersen
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11:12 AM on 10/09/2011
the united states and countries like us are directly responsible for this. i will explain why! i read a comment from a fellow reader and it stated that the british and american tourists among others travel to amsterdam,get wasted,act wasted and are really starting to piss off the residents. if these two countries would end their draconian drug laws these same people would be getting wasted in their own countries! therefore no problem for the dutch,we would not even be on this thread talking!
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Yossarian22
01:54 PM on 10/09/2011
While there are plenty of obnoxious tourists, it's unfair to blame them entirely. The vast majority of the loud, obnoxious, violent idiots I've seen in Amsterdam spend most of their time in the pubs getting drunk(coffeeshops are not allowed to sell alcohol, although some bars permit patrons to smoke their own marijuana there), watching football and yelling. Yet for some reason, there's no talk of banning bars or sport pubs whereas the tourists who come to smoke quietly in coffeeshops are somehow targeted. It's not the tourists' fault; it's the fault of reactionary demagogues in the Dutch government.
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vrede
don't shoot me it's just my opinion
03:42 PM on 10/09/2011
your right it is the drunk tourists and john pederson made a good point if their own countries had the same rights as we do in the Netherlands then they would stay home but sad to say all over Europe I see very very drunk tourists from England. so the point is again ALCOHOL is a problem not blow.
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Erikhuffpost
Anything can happen within the next 5 minutes
02:02 PM on 10/09/2011
Amsterdam is not the Netherlands, and the Netherlands are not Amsterdam.

British and American tourists ­getting wasted in Amsterdam can be a problem there, but that does not apply to the rest of my country. It is a local "law and order" problem in Amsterdam and treated as such. Contrary to what some conservatives think being tolerant does not mean that any thing goes. Tolerance is all about setting boundaries between public order and private enjoyment. Littering for example is illegal in the Netherlands and subject to a fee.

If you follow the reactions here, you can see on the one hand a discussion between whether you smoke pot or not, and on the other hand how to deal with the presence of cannabis in society. Personnaly, I would argue smoking pot is a private thing, provided you don't break any other laws.

Traditionally, the Netherlands adopted a policy of making a distinction between "soft" (eg. cannabis, weed) and "hard" drugs (heroine, LSD etc.) This way, resources on policing and healthcare could be directed to the hard drug problem and associated crime.

It appears the present conservative government now wants to abandon this policy of pragmatism towards "zero tolerance" This may appear very tough for whatever voters, but will eventually backfire.
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John Pedersen
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02:26 PM on 10/09/2011
i am not sure how to take your statement. dont get your point if u were trying to make one. i did not realize things were different concerning amsterdam and the netherlands. conservatism is a plague on our societies. we as a people cannot be stuffed into one little box.we are all(people) never going to think exactly the same and no amount of pressure will make it so. we have a failed drug policy here in the united states and it is spreading(through are power and influence) to other countries. i wish it was not that way.millions of us in america want to change this so we can once again be a beacon of hope and justice for all people of the world! if drugs are legal to use and monitered,the crime will slowly go away,then resources can be used for treatment such as mental health care etc. help people,dont hurt them like we do in america now. well said, i think i agree with you?
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vrede
don't shoot me it's just my opinion
03:45 PM on 10/09/2011
your right it is really only a problem in Amsterdam because of the drunk tourists but the right wing blames it on blow.
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Cory111
Life is good...
09:50 AM on 10/09/2011
Great, “Pot-Lite” just what we need. I wonder how many people have been killed in auto accidents while under the influence of the “Demon weed?”
Milk, chocolate milk, lemonade, soft drinks, a sip of wine, a brew, a shooter and you have finally arrived.
Legalize pot and save lives…
08:54 AM on 10/09/2011
They call it Dope for a reason. Let them smoke it.
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Talab
Anti- Plutarchy
07:01 AM on 10/09/2011
Where do they get in line for the job to test the potencey of pot for the government 's new policy , ROFL i bet that just by giving the inspectors a regular stash that nothing would change much in the cafes
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Yank in France
Thomas Paine, expat in France 1792-1802
03:48 AM on 10/09/2011
The Dutch policy of legalized marijuana appears to be slowly coming to an end. Much of the drug is still sold on the streets thus avoiding tax payment. And the same dealers who sell grass also sell harder drugs. Marijuana today is indeed a HARD DRUG, and while it affects people differently, the idea of individuals driving home after smoking high potency grasss (the vast majority on the market) is just frightening.

As a case in point, Sweden prohibits people from driving if they have ANY alocohol in their blood. That means that if you had a couple of drinks last night, you still cannot drive in the morning!

So what is the people of legalizing a hard drug and have a public healthcare system paid for by all taxpayers? Either it is one or the other!
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07:24 AM on 10/09/2011
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Andre Fabre
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10:06 AM on 10/09/2011
Excuse me. If it is legal to use alcohol and tobacco in this country, which are more dangerous than pot is, why not legalize it and tax it the same way? I'd pay for a yearly pot usage license, I'm fine with paying 25% in taxes for every purchase of pot I might make. It is a great way to contribute to the local, state and federal coffers.
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Yank in France
Thomas Paine, expat in France 1792-1802
12:32 PM on 10/09/2011
Only some people who smoke grass claim that it is not as strong as alcohol, but that all depends on the quantity and strength used. Most pot in the US is so strong that more than one puff will get you so stoned that you cannot drive safely. Sure, it doesn't affect everyone that way but it does most!

Smoking pot was great when I was a kid, but adults should be preserving their neurons, which we need in our everyday life and JOBS. Besides that, once you kill them, they NEVER return!
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madjanssen
Neurotic mother of one displaced in Europe
03:37 AM on 10/09/2011
I have lived in the Netherlands for the past 10 years and I have seen how this one particular liberal law work in this small home town of mine. Right down the street where I do my (almost) daily grocery shopping are a handful of 'coffee shops' and I can't help but notice that most of the cars parked outside are those with foreign plates. One would also notice that a majority of the 'coffee shop' visitors are not necessarily local either. This 'crackdown' (don't mind the pun) has nothing to do with the Dutch population - they have lived like this for most of their lives and have learned to be responsible with the liberal freedom given to them. This is a direct result of the open borders of the EU and their lax immigration laws for the past few decades. Just think, if you own a house, wouldn't you care for it as best as you could but if you were just visiting the house, would you even bother?! (It may be an absurb analogy but it's the best I can think of at 9 in the morning).
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Yossarian22
02:58 PM on 10/09/2011
How dare those foreigners drive to another country to spend their money there!
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madjanssen
Neurotic mother of one displaced in Europe
04:03 PM on 10/09/2011
I drive to Belgium and Germany to do my fair of shopping there too but at least when I'm there I know how to behave myself. The biggest mark I leave is a cup at Starbucks.
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vrede
don't shoot me it's just my opinion
03:55 PM on 10/09/2011
TRUE
02:46 AM on 10/09/2011
Nonsense. At the end of the day the logic here is the Dutch would rather join the crowd of governments who practice a failed policy rather than choose to be enlightened and correct.
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Kevin Ozment
To dare: that is the whole secret of revolutions.
02:05 PM on 10/09/2011
I would bet that the US has some sort of influence over this decision, just another example of the US playing 'World Police'.
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vrede
don't shoot me it's just my opinion
02:40 AM on 10/09/2011
I have lived in the Netherlands for 12 years now and it seems every year right wing american thinking is taking over.

Alcohol is the number one addiction problem and cause of sickness but the right wing who love their beer and Geneva are afraid of natural products that help you in many ways.
People try a joint and chill out.
The dutch made pot legal because back in the good old days you were smart enough to realize that you will never stop people from smoking pot, just like you will never stop prostitution. So they made it legal and control it and collect tax.
All that will happen is it will go black market just like in the states. this will make it necessary to have more police and prisons.
Waste of money. Cannot believe the dutch will waste taxpayers money on this.
That's just not dutch logic.
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Andre Fabre
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09:56 AM on 10/09/2011
Of all the bad American exports to the world, the right wing mentality is the worst. We have to realize there is no difference between what the evangelicals want to this country and the world. Evangelicals do believe the imposition of a christian theocracy is the solution to the world's problems. They are so ignorant, the don't realize the results of the prohibition era turned out to be worse than the "problem" it was trying to resolve. For as long as this conservative mentality continues to exist, we will go into these cycles of prohibition and legalization of drugs and other substances.

Meanwhile, pot growers continue finding new strains of cannabis which can grow in window sills, and are daylight neutral. Thank the stupid laws being written for that achievement.
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Aboomer
05:46 PM on 10/10/2011
F & F!
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Dahveed1
Rational discussion is the basis of a democracy.
02:17 AM on 10/09/2011
What a mess. Its illegal to possess, but you can buy it in special bars. Huh? disaster. Just make it legal and focus on the other drug problems instead.
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vrede
don't shoot me it's just my opinion
02:42 AM on 10/09/2011
u can possess up to 5 grams legally.
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Dahveed1
Rational discussion is the basis of a democracy.
08:53 AM on 10/09/2011
Perhaps I misread it, but I thought the article stated it was illegal to possess it. Good to know its not as messed up as I thought it was.