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Hank Williams Jr. Firing Sparks Intense Argument On ESPN 'Outside The Lines' (VIDEO)

First Posted: 10/08/11 02:44 PM ET Updated: 10/08/11 02:45 PM ET

Hank Williams Jr Espn Outside The Lines

The firing of country music singer Hank Williams Jr. by ESPN after he controversially compared President Obama to Hitler on Fox News has sparked a nationwide debate.

As is often the case with arguments involving either sports or politics, things tend to get emotional. During a long segment on ESPN's "Outside The Lines" program, tempers flared and the debate featuring Alabama radio personality Paul Finebaum, Dave Zirin of The Nation and sports radio host Bomani Jones quickly devolved into a screaming match.

Finebaum gave the discourse its first push down the slope toward hysteria by taking a verbal swipe at Zirin for an earlier comment suggesting that ESPN should have parted ways with Williams long ago due to a songbook that includes songs like "If The South Woulda Won," in which he sings "If the South would’ve won we'd a had it made."

After Jones weighed in, Finebaum took the argument completely off topic, perhaps illustrating how personally so many people around the country have taken Williams' firing. Finebaum brought up the fact that his parents are from New York and he has relatives who died in the Holocaust. Both Jones and Zirin pointed out that Finebaum's background had nothing to do with the subject of the discussion.

"That's an outrageous statement," Zirin said. "If you want to talk about my relatives who died in the Holocaust or my time in the South we could do that, but that's not germane to this discussion at all. And frankly it's cheap and unprofessional to bring that into this discussion."

While Finebaum contended that Jones and Zirin were "making fun of people" from the South, both Zirin and Jones took issue with Finebaum's method of defining Southern culture, noting that his definition seemed to account for Williams but not the large African-American population who surely don't share the singer's views on the outcome of the Civil War. As the debate grew even more vitriolic when the Georgia-born Jones screamed at Finebaum, "I'm just as Southern as you are!"


Ben Flanagan of al.com
noted that Finebaum talked about the exchange on his radio show later on Thursday:

"I respect Dave, but that's the single stupidest thing I've heard on the show," Finebaum said. "I don't remember what else I said, and I don't think I really want to see it because I don't think I made a whole lot of sense because Zirin really ticked me off."

"Dave Zirin and Bomani Jones don't have the right to insult every southerner. Zirin insulted every soldier who fought for the Confederacy. I don't have relatives from the South, but I'm not going to let that person insult the good name of all these people because Hank Williams happens to be a country music star."

Jones posted on his blog on Friday about what he intended to say on the show before the conversation strayed far off topic, writing that "Paul Finebaum isn’t going to cheat me out of this chance." He says he thinks ESPN made the right move by firing Williams and also asks: "When did country music become so patriotic?

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The firing of country music singer Hank Williams Jr. by ESPN after he controversially compared President Obama to Hitler on Fox News has sparked a nationwide debate. As is often the case with argu...
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KenLowJr
Long on the tooth
07:25 PM on 10/10/2011
Mr. Finebaum appears to have difficulty staying on topic with his discussion with the others. Maybe it would have been better if it was one on one. Or just maybe he happens to be on the weaker side of the debate. He sounded more like a politician who countered with an attack when put in a position to answer a difficult question such as who exactly was putting down country music and Southern Culture. It is difficult to defend Hank Jr. and it befuddles those who try to do so. That includes W. Goldberg, Jay Behar, Lumbaugh, Hannity, etc.. It just happens to be that Williams this time is on the weaker side of the debate.
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happyblackman
Gotta have more cowbell baby!
03:28 PM on 10/10/2011
"Paul! I am from the South!" lol That dude had no clue! I know who the President of the Hank Williams Jr. Alabama fan club is!
10:20 AM on 10/10/2011
Espn will never learn...Hank was right, and so was Rush Limbaugh.
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SolarArray
Republican = Trash America, Any Cost
11:50 AM on 10/10/2011
Go back to FOX where you can wallow with the least informed viewership on the planet.
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happyblackman
Gotta have more cowbell baby!
03:29 PM on 10/10/2011
You can go back to your cave now.
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09:39 AM on 10/10/2011
Who's the guy in the middle that looks like Lester Maddox?
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bridgeman
Jesus was a Jazz fan
06:44 AM on 10/10/2011
Just play the old NFL Highlights instrumental music as an opener.

And lets play some Football
03:18 AM on 10/10/2011
And you're not a racist?? Let's hope that the majority of white girls are smart enough to know what guys like you are trying to do.
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Roman1
Not Liberal Or Conservative. Just A Real American.
09:21 AM on 10/10/2011
What the hell does that supposed to mean?!
02:39 AM on 10/10/2011
Yeah, Hank Jr. is a racist, biggot, fool. He deserved to be fired and Zirin's correct - long ago. That song "If the south woulda won" is extremely offensive and blatenly racist. At least I know now who Hark Jr. is. F him and the horse he rode in on. I thank God the South lost. I thank God that I'm going to Alabama to impregnate as many white girls as possible.
11:21 AM on 10/10/2011
why is he a racist?
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SmotPoker
Medical Marijuana saved my life.
12:07 PM on 10/10/2011
Don't you have a funeral to protest or some crosses to burn? You've done nothing but spam post and have yet to add anything intelligent to any of them.
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Jason N
Proud Firebagger Lefty
04:43 PM on 10/10/2011
If the South would've won, meaning slavery for black people would have continue, do you think "we'd have it made" like Hank does?
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MChile124
Just zis guy, you know?
01:33 AM on 10/10/2011
I don't have anything clever to say about this. I don't know who Paul Finebaum is, OTL is not a show I watch often on ESPN, but he is a trainwreck. He should be embarrassed about that discourse, he didn't make any sense and really just looked like a tro//. Whoa.
11:20 AM on 10/10/2011
why? because he defended the attacks on the south, that are constant from the media elite?
09:26 PM on 10/09/2011
Before I get to the real issue let me first say that Paul is an idiot!

Now that is out of the way lets talk about the real issue. The problem that Hank has found himself in has nothing to do with the First Amendment. We can all agree that he has every right to say what he wants no one is denying him of that right. The problem comes when he works for an employer who markets to a cross section of the United States both Republican and Democrat, Black and White, Northerners and Southerners, etc. He made a choice to spout his political opinion and fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your views, it cost him his job.

Just like you can't go in your bosses office and tell him or her to f off you can't go rogue, while representing your employer and say what could potentially offend half of the company's market. So he should stop pulling the First Amendment card it doesn't work in this instance.

And again Paul is an idiot!!!
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Roman1
Not Liberal Or Conservative. Just A Real American.
09:33 AM on 10/10/2011
F&F, with this comment. I feel what many who are defending Williams don't understand is that yes, he had every right to say what he said.

And ESPN, and Disney, per a contract I assume that was signed by Williams, had every right right to first suspend and then terminate him due to his going against policy with the parent company. They had the right to fire him for his words.

And yes.....this Paul guy is one true idiot. I don't know what Confederate rock he crawled out of, but he needs to go back there.
12:13 AM on 10/11/2011
Here here!
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MrTown3
PeopleRdumb
08:52 PM on 10/09/2011
lol...its's sad trying to watch someone intellectualize their prejudice...
11:20 AM on 10/10/2011
Ha now the jewish guy is prejudice. LOL
12:12 AM on 10/11/2011
are you trying to prove Mrtown3's point?
08:13 PM on 10/09/2011
Paul needs to focus on what is actually being discussed.
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motoGpifupleez
watching with amusement
03:03 PM on 10/09/2011
I happily insult those who worship the confederate rag.
11:19 AM on 10/10/2011
how about the mexican flag?
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Jason N
Proud Firebagger Lefty
05:10 PM on 10/10/2011
Them too. To see my opinion, view Katt Williams literally demolishing a Mexican heckler. My thoughts exactly. If you want to pledge allegiance to some other country, be it the Confederacy, Mexico, or Tim Buk Tu, you can go ahead and move back there. Now if you want to keep some of your cultural heritage, by all means, do so. But you better be for the United States before any other country.
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11:59 AM on 10/09/2011
Trent Lott, a long time Republican senator from Mississippi, was not known to be racist through his actions in congress. But, when he made the comment about how things might have been different if Strom Thurmond had been elected president, he got so much feedback over that he left congress somewhat a disgrace. -I think he regrets ever saying that, even if he might have believed it.
Entertainers, movie actors, radio talkers, politicians,....have their own followers. NONE will ever please everyone. -Say or do something that irritates the boss, movie goer or voter, and you just might lose your job and become 'infamous' in the process.
11:19 AM on 10/10/2011
You can thank the media for that one , as they all told Lott what he meant by the statement, as if they knew something he didnt
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Jason N
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05:10 PM on 10/10/2011
Wow... you cannot possibly be defending what Trent Lott said.
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Bruce vain
10:04 AM on 10/09/2011
Nothing wrong with stating your political view but to call a balck man hitler...WOW
11:17 AM on 10/10/2011
he didnt call him Hitler

Nice try
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Jason N
Proud Firebagger Lefty
05:13 PM on 10/10/2011
The only nice try is on your part:

"The hosts of the conservative network's "Fox & Friends" morning program seemed surprised by the comment, with co-anchor Gretchen Carlson asking Williams to clarify what he meant by the inflammatory statement, saying, "You used the name of one of the most-hated people in all the world [Hitler] to describe, I think, the president."

Williams responded, "That's true ... but I'm telling you like it is."

He ADMITTED he called him Hitler. Nice try tho.
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bayman
01:41 AM on 10/11/2011
No, but he analogized Obama to Hitler. And, he called Obama and Biden the 'enemy'. Sounds treasonous to me.
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Bruce vain
10:03 AM on 10/09/2011
Hanks Williams is a racist..period
08:14 PM on 10/09/2011
Of course he is.