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Perry Says In-State Tuition Policy Created 'Tax-Payers, Not Tax-Wasters'

First Posted: 10/08/2011 12:40 pm Updated: 12/08/2011 4:12 am

SIOUX CITY, IOWA -- Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry made a new argument Saturday in defense of his actions to give children of undocumented immigrants in-state tuition to Texas universities, saying that it was a pro-growth economic decision.

"We wanted to make tax-payers, not tax-wasters," Perry said, speaking to about 100 voters at an Irish pub here in the northwest corner of the state, which the Texas governor called "Republican country."

Perry’s standing with conservative voters has been damaged over the past month in large part due to his decision in 2001 to approve the in-state tuition policy, and he made things worse by saying those who disagreed with him "don't have a heart." He subsequently apologized for that remark.

But Perry has not backtracked from his position, and on Saturday he made his most lengthy and detailed defense of the policy when a voter asked him about it during a question and answer session.

"Because of the absolute failure of the federal government to secure our border, states got forced upon them decisions on how you're going to deal with people in your state, because the federal government also says you gotta give them health care, you gotta have education," Perry said.

He continued, "And we decided as a state in 2001 that to deal with this population we had one of two choices: we could either kick them to the side of the road and say we'll deal with you as a tax waster, or we're going to give them the opportunity to pursue citizenship, to pay in-state tuition -- full fare, it's not subsidized in any form or fashion -- and be part of an educated workforce. That was the decision that the people of Texas made."

"We didn't have any other options from my perspective," he said. "One of the two. We chose the latter."

In remarks to the Values Voters Summit on Friday in Washington, and again to Iowa voters in the eastern part of the state on Friday night, Perry mentioned immigration during his prepared remarks and listed the ways in which he has cracked down on undocumented immigration: signing legislation to require identification to vote and vetoing legislation to allow undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses. He did not mention the in-state tuition issue either time.

But when he was asked about it Saturday morning, he had a ready answer, and he then tried to pivot back to defending his record and his reputation.

"I've got a strong record on immigration from a standpoint of clearly being a rule of law person," he said. "But we cannot secure the border by ourselves in Texas. ... That’s the federal government's requirement."

Perry's wife, Anita, then chimed in from the front row of seats, and instructed him to point out that children of undocumented immigrants were pursuing a "path to citizenship" and to mention the voter I.D. law, which the governor had already mentioned earlier.

"My wife just reminded me, which she is very good about doing," Perry said to laughter and applause, "these young people are pursuing citizenship, and we also passed a couple of other really strong issues in Texas on drivers licenses, vetoing legislation for anyone who is in our country illegally ... and we passed voter I.D."

Perry's top rival in the Republican primary, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, has pressed the issue to make sure it does not go away. His campaign released a memo listing Perry’s record on the 2001 law, and a campaign spokesman sent around a comment on Perry's defense of the tuition policy.

"Rick Perry has consistently supported liberal policies that encourage illegal immigration," said Romney spokesman Ryan Williams. "He opposes a border fence and signed legislation that provides taxpayer backed benefits to illegal immigrants. His liberal immigration policies are out of step with Iowa values and wrong for our country."

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spytheweb
Black Democrat
03:15 AM on 10/12/2011
"Fully 69% of Americans in the latest IBD/TIPP poll say they don’t favor states giving in-state college tuition to illegal residents while charging higher fees for legal, out-of-state residents. Just 22% support such a policy.
73% of Republicans are opposed vs. 20% in favor. Independents have even stronger views: 74%-15%. Even Democrats are strongly opposed 58%-32%."

http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/
03:14 PM on 10/10/2011
Mexicans getting a worthless degree from a texas public university or community college for about 50,000 a pop, aprox 5 million Mexicans in TX, that's 250 billion, not bad business, indeed. They can use those degrees to wipe or get a job in landscaping, nothing else. Non of these graduates will aspire to work in America, they need to pass a test with E-verify.
Views from the Middle
Politicians seem to only listen to the extremes
11:56 AM on 10/10/2011
Perry lives in a State with a large hispanic population and so he made this decision for political reasons. But I actually don't care WHY he made the decision to provide education to illegal immigrants--because the decision was the RIGHT one. The more we educate our youth, whether legal or illegal, the better our country will be in the future. The recent OECD report on education showed that the U.S. is in free-fall when it comes to educating our children. In my opinion, turning this trend around is more important than any war on terror in Afghanistan.
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Common Sense 11
Common sense---so rare it should be a super power
04:37 PM on 10/10/2011
The only thing I can find fault with is the little fact that even if they graduate they cannot legally work here, so they cannot contribute to society.

Watiaminute---isn't this the same policy that when President Obama was trying to push Perry and his cronies were he11-bent on opposing...?
09:24 AM on 10/10/2011
Can anybody say slush funds? Texas funds public education in large part from oil and gas revenues. The more "qualified Texas residents" are enrolled, the greater the percentage of oil and gas revenues pile up for running public education. Nice right? Except the Texas government does not really have to use the money for education directly. Push the head count up for "qualified Texas residents" attending public education institutions and kick back a tax cut to corporations and spend more money on friendly vendors.
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Rick Shreiner
Like EVERYONE else, I am UNIQUE . . .
09:24 AM on 10/10/2011
"And we decided as a state in 2001 that to deal with this population we had one of two choices: we could either kick them to the side of the road and say we'll deal with you as a tax waster, or we're going to give them the opportunity to pursue citizenship, to pay in-state tuition -- full fare, it's not subsidized in any form or fashion -- and be part of an educated workforce."

WHEN MY CAT SAW THIS "GUV PARRY" RESPONSE .. ..
.... he gave me a look as if to say, "Now why wouldn't he view ALL other 'populatioins' (such as under-educated native Texans, people with health care issues, poor families, and unemployed people) as better off being 'tax payers' [part of a healthy and educated WORKFORCE] instead of 'tax-wasters' [surviving on welfare] ? ?"
03:38 AM on 10/10/2011
I'm twenty two. When I tried to sign up for college they told me I couldn't get financial aid because my parents were behind on taxes. They also said that I'm under my parents tax history instead of my own until I'm twenty five. I don't even live with them. They can't co-sign a loan because they 1, have no money in case I fail to pay it back and 2,don't have good enough credit. I couldn't get a loan or financial aid so I'm doing menial jobs trying to save for a tiny community college, I have rent to pay, taxes, food, etc., and it's hard to save for school when I can't find a good paying job. I had good enough grades for a state run scholarship but the scholarship program was removed due to the recession. I'm all for humans rights, I want everyone to have a chance, but the fact that I've worked my whole life towards something that others can get just for being here makes me cringe. I don't know when I'll finally get to go to college. I pay into taxes, but I guess that money is going to someone else's education instead of my own. I don't see how that helps our economy one bit.
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Rick Shreiner
Like EVERYONE else, I am UNIQUE . . .
09:36 AM on 10/10/2011
Sorry to have to be the one that tells you; but the problems you are confronted with are the result of GOP-baggers and their financial ideals.
First they wrecked the economy [which makes it difficult for people like your parents to stay employed at jobs with decent wages - to pay their taxes], then they cut spending to many programs designed to help those who would benefit most from education [at ALL levels], and finally, they have turned almost ½ of the population against you [and anyone else who is not middle class enough to be able to afford college] by stigmatizing everybody with ANY SORT of financial difficulties as "welfare babies" and "government teat-suckers".

Unfortunately you have been branded, by those GOP-baggers, as unworthy of any further assistance, because "obviously", your family has already been sucking on the government teat for too long [accordign to the GOP-baggers].

I sympathze with you, and firmly believe that investing in the education of ALL people, including young adults, immigrants, and the poor, would help lift the US out of it's 3rd world status and back towards it's place among world leadership.
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bushfailure
12:54 AM on 10/10/2011
The reason why Perry is floundering is because Karl Rove and his mafia don't like Perry. Apparently, the Perry camp and and Bush camp don't get along, so Perry is toast. Whomever Fox News picks in their back room with Rove and Ailes, then that will be the nominee.
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Drama Llama
12:06 AM on 10/10/2011
My niece is the first person in our family who will graduate from College. She was laid off by Bank of America and has not been able to find a job since. She is struggling very bad right now trying to afford school even with financial aid her money is running out.

The fact that Legal residents of Texas and the USA struggle to attend college while illegal immigrants get a break is pathetic. It will be a pleasure to watch this fool go back to Texas with his tail between his legs come next fall.
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Rick Shreiner
Like EVERYONE else, I am UNIQUE . . .
09:43 AM on 10/10/2011
See my response to "mearepaige" above.
There is NOTHING wrong with giving immigrants an education, whether legal or illegal.
Nor does our government [state or federal] gain anything by denying an education [at whatever level] to ANYONE, including your niece.

The only thing accomplished by denying your niece and others like her a good education [as GOP-baggers do when they cut education funds] is to make it more difficult for them to better themselves.
Is THAT the "freedom" and "opportunity" the GOP-baggers stand for ? ?
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Viper1st
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09:54 AM on 10/10/2011
U.S.C. 8 § 1623 : US Code - Section 1623: Limitation on eligibility for preferential treatment of aliens not lawfully present on basis of residence for higher education benefits

(a) In general
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not
lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the
basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for
any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of
the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an
amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen
or national is such a resident.
(b) Effective date
This section shall apply to benefits provided on or after July 1,
1998.
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Drama Llama
11:05 AM on 10/10/2011
I do not agree it does not benefit the state.. Denying them in-state tuition means they pay higher tuition.. Higher tuition means more money to the colleges.. More money could mean reduced tuition in the long run for legal in-state residence.

And above and beyond that is is just insulting to any US citizen that if someone from Oklahoma wants to attend the University of Texas they would have to pay $3000 more a year than someone who is not a citizen and who is in this country illegally.
04:46 PM on 10/09/2011
Why do our borders only have to be "secured" against brown people from the south and not from white people from the north?
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sabelmouse
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09:28 AM on 10/10/2011
when has anything bad ever come of white people going anywhere ?
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12:00 PM on 10/10/2011
My Choctaw Great-grandparents call tell you that plenty of bad stuff happened when white people came here.
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Common Sense 11
Common sense---so rare it should be a super power
01:18 PM on 10/10/2011
Do you REALLY want an answer?

Ask the Native Americans how THEY feel then their land was taken due to "manifest destiny"...
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Common Sense 11
Common sense---so rare it should be a super power
09:48 AM on 10/10/2011
Never thought of that---good point...
04:22 PM on 10/09/2011
How much does he recieve from the mexican lobby?
Big corporations and agriculture bring these people here so they can have free and cheap labor.
I think all should pick up the costs to support these people and the labor will not be so cheap or free anymore.
04:47 PM on 10/09/2011
Lol Well, they *could* pay them human-type wages instead of just using the older slavery model. It works, by the way; but it's vile, immoral, so very, very bad.
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Ohioliberal
The Steelers and Mopar cars
01:53 PM on 10/09/2011
Question, how does a college education illegal alien secure employment without documentation?
04:49 PM on 10/09/2011
You're right! How dare those people aspire to educations! That is unAmerican. Or bad or something. They are brown! Brown people! Education was not meant for them! If God had wanted them educated, he would have created them with degrees. Yay, Perry!
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Ohioliberal
The Steelers and Mopar cars
08:53 PM on 10/10/2011
Ok, you have avoided reality. Even with college degrees they still lack documentation for legal career positions. So you have a master's degree an cannot pass a E-Verify check? So spend your energy railing against the lack of opportunities that their home countries don't provide them.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
01:14 PM on 10/09/2011
Funny, Perry has to defend the only decent thing he ever did.
03:09 PM on 10/09/2011
Perry knows that he needs to protect his day job. If he didn't defend providing benefits to illegal aliens, he'd have problems with the electorate in that Northern Mexican state he governs.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
07:24 PM on 10/09/2011
He is running for president and from all accounts Perry won't be elected again.
04:49 PM on 10/09/2011
I was just gonna say that, but he's backpedaling so hard it didn't really apply! But I've thought it many times!
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
07:23 PM on 10/09/2011
Sad really...Perry is not consevative enought for the Tea party rabble.
01:12 PM on 10/09/2011
Perry is a has been. He's corrupt to the core and has no chance of winning the R Nomination.
01:43 PM on 10/09/2011
I thought being corrupt to the core was a condition for running for the R nomination.
04:50 PM on 10/09/2011
No. Corruption has to do with perversion of principles, ideas, behaviors. Cf. also Barack Obama and "change."
12:46 PM on 10/09/2011
Maybe the solution is to deny the children of families who hire aliens admission to state schools since they have made enough money from illegal labor to afford private school. (Ah, just kidding.)
12:10 PM on 10/09/2011
The subtle art of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.