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ANGELA CHARLTON   10/ 9/11 07:35 PM ET   AP

PARIS — A moderate French leftist once dismissed as soft as a strawberry dominated nationwide primary voting Sunday, and emerged the top likely challenger to the divisive and impulsive Nicolas Sarkozy for the nation's presidency.

Pollsters say Francois Hollande, a longtime Socialist leader who urged his party to embrace European integration, could easily dislodge the little-loved Sarkozy as president. Sunday's unusual Socialist Party primary produced the first electoral proof of Hollande's popularity.

But Hollande faces a tough runoff next week against the author of France's 35-hour workweek, party stalwart Martine Aubry, as both seek to solve voters' economic worries and prove their leftist mettle while maintaining party unity.

Hollande is seen by many as a welcome contrast to the conservative Sarkozy, though is little known outside France and has produced no dramatic proposals for saving the euro, shrinking debts, solving tensions with immigrants or the other woes that ail the world's fifth-largest economy.

The unexpectedly strong third-place showing by a hard-left candidate who has championed against globalization, Arnaud Montebourg, may weigh on party strategy and boost Aubry's chances. Montebourg is emerging as the kingmaker, or queenmaker, in the decisive second round Oct. 16.

The primary process itself – a first for France – is offering a boost for the Socialists, who haven't won a presidential election since 1988 and have suffered for years from divisions over how to steer a leftist course through the increasingly interconnected global economy.

Both Hollande and Aubry sought to distance themselves from a present that many French voters see as bleak.

"I am the candidate of change," Hollande said after the initial primary results came in. "Francois, President!" his supporters bellowed.

"I will bring this deep change" that voters want, Aubry told her backers.

One change she proposes would be returning to retirement at 60, reversing a hard-fought Sarkozy reform aimed at cutting pension costs.

She acknowledged that France needs to get its soaring debts under control, but added, "I refuse to be in a race for austerity with the right."

Sarkozy hasn't said it outright but is widely expected to seek a second term in April-May elections.

The man considered a shoo-in for the Socialist nomination earlier this year, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, was notably absent from the ballot. The former International Monetary Fund chief saw his presidential ambitions shrivel after a New York hotel maid accused him in May of trying to rape her. Prosecutors later dropped the case, but he faces continued legal troubles.

The Socialist Party said on its website that Hollande had 39 percent of the vote and Aubry 31 percent, based on 1.9 million ballots counted. Those ballots must still be double-checked and validated before the result is definitive.

The party estimates that more than 2 million voters took part in Sunday's voting.

The bespectacled Hollande, 57, has years of experience as a lawmaker and his center-left views are palatable to a broad swath of French voters.

A leftist rival once said Hollande was as inoffensive as a strawberry, and the political satire TV show "Les Guignols" portrayed him as a jiggly custard. He has worked hard to overcome that image and prove he can be presidential, paring kilograms off his portly figure and speaking forcefully in recent TV debates.

Aubry, 61, became the first woman to run the Socialist Party when she succeeded Hollande. The daughter of statesman Jacques Delors, who helped lay the groundwork for the shared euro currency, Aubry helped craft the controversial 35-hour workweek law as labor minister a decade ago in hopes that would create more jobs.

The biggest loser Sunday was Segolene Royal, the Socialists' candidate in the last presidential campaign.

In an unusual moment of raw emotion, Royal choked up and then cried on camera as Sunday's results rolled in, showing her with 7 percent of the vote. She's the mother of Hollande's four children, and their high-profile relationship unraveled during her 2007 campaign.

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Sylvie Corbet and Greg Keller in Paris contributed to this report.

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HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
08:08 AM on 10/10/2011
The holding of primaries, it has been said, will profoundly and permanently change the French political landscape. This is correct. One thing I see happen is fringe voters returning to the "fold" of major parties instead of sticking with an eternal protest vote at general elections. These voters may well prefer rallying around candidates they like but who work within the big partes - like Montebourg - and who have more chance of delivering than the largely ignored fringe-party candidates. Primaries are good for big parties - and for two-party systems. They are less good for small parties, who may see much of their electorate opt for a "vote utile" now that the big parties present candidates they like. And that is so even if those preferred candidates don't win the primary, but attain influence because of a good score. Again, like Montebourg. In short, I think many French progressives will start opting for the strategy pursued by people like Jane Hamsher in the US - changing a big party from within rather than complaining impotently from the wings.

Right-wing parties will now also come under pressure to hold primaries, since I can't imagine a conservative tolerating that he/she has less political influence than the leftwing neighbor.

How it will all work out is unknown, but this may signal the end of the "énarqie" - the hold elite school graduates have on the big political parties, and thus government.
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World Expedition
Speak Truth to Power
02:05 AM on 10/10/2011
A marked improvement over the rapist_banker.
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plaidsportcoat
02:02 AM on 10/10/2011
the left sucks.
it has no plan.
brazil does fairly well, but its leftists are no longer leftists.
i think leftists need to find a new paradigm in a hurry or kaput.
12:09 AM on 10/10/2011
martine aubry is shown with whom in the top picture?
04:21 AM on 10/10/2011
Bertrand Delanoe, socialist mayor of Paris.
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04:33 AM on 10/10/2011
Bretrand DELANOE, mayor of Paris aka the "Queen of Paris".
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:06 PM on 10/09/2011
Best news for France is that Arnaud Montebourg, who wrote about "demondialisation" [undoing the WTO, GATT, and assorted "free trade" deals] came in a strong third! The times they are a changin'
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04:40 AM on 10/10/2011
How come to undoing WTO, GATT and so on would be great news for a country that is merely 3 times bigger thant the only town of Shangai ??

Even if the actual system is not a perfect one, thinking that France can close like a shell is irresponsible and a lie to my citizens.
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flossophy
the unfamous anti-establishment classical liberal
09:24 PM on 10/09/2011
It's funny that socialism is taken seriously in France.
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TAIsabel
Suffer no fools.
11:18 PM on 10/09/2011
You seem to take yourself seriously....no one else does.
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sherlockhemlock
One world is enough.
03:07 AM on 10/10/2011
It's sad that you are taken seriously anywhere.
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Tom S Cedar Mill
This ain't no party, this ain't no disco.
07:08 PM on 10/09/2011
Growing up in the 60's I would dread the thought of Socialists making any political headway. Now I cringe when I hear of Conservatives winning any election.
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jasev01
07:04 PM on 10/09/2011
Dominique Strauss-Kahn seems like he got got.  Its a conspiracy.
06:21 PM on 10/09/2011
French Socialists have been almost as discredited as Sarkozy's center-right UMP. I'm hoping for a Green Party breakthrough and the final death of Le Front Nationale.
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Kache
Citizens, Unite!
08:19 PM on 10/09/2011
I'm hoping for a pony.
08:43 PM on 10/09/2011
Well that's a pretty lame response.
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
04:22 PM on 10/09/2011
Montebourg is not a hard-line leftist. He's someone who thinks outside the box, and acts on it. His leftist credentials are largely due to his stance on the financial industry - which he expressed well before the banks proved him right by breaking the economy. The socialist primaries, which are an outstanding success and a true innovation in the French landscape, are largely his work. The five-year presidential term (instead of the seven-year mandate of De Gaulle) was largely inspired on his constitutional pioneering. He's a very exciting candidate (though perhaps too fond of protectionism), and his strong showing proves that there is still an audience for political thinkers.

Also he campaigned like American candidates do, village to town, company to union, he was everywhere while the others did what they like doing most: holding meetings in Paris. I can't think of a French candidate who campaigned this way before.

The real import of these primaries is that the stuffy old-boys club which has always characterized the politburo of the Socialist Party is under attack by candidates who take their case directly to the people. Even if the "elephants" Aubry and Hollande will fight it out in the run-off, they have to take the base into account in a manner that was not necessary before.
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Kache
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08:24 PM on 10/09/2011
Thanks Hans. I was unaware of Montebourg, other than by name. Sounds like a very original and interesting guy.

I assume, if he does become Aubry's "queenmaker" that that should give him ministerial seats to fill? It that correct?
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HermaO
Conservatism is intellectual laziness.
04:47 AM on 10/10/2011
Not really. First of all, he can ask for his voters to back Martine up in the second round of the primaries, but the numbers show that even if he does, as the supporters of the other candidates are more likely to vote for Hollande, he's the one who should get the nomination.

And ministerial seats are technically not given by the President, but the Prime Minister. The President actually nominates all ministers when the government is from his own party, but the political tendancy of the government depends of the composition of the chambers. The Senate is left now, for the first time in decades, but, if in 2012 the Deputy Chamber stays right, even if the President is a socialist, the Prime Minister and all of his government will come from the right.

To conclude, if everything goes well in 2012, and the left wins both the presidency and the National Assembly, Montebourg should be offered a ministerial seat, no problem, because this primary vote showed that his views are important for a lot of voters within the socialist, and that should be taken into account.
Bernique
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10:11 PM on 10/09/2011
Hans -- very interesting! I didn't know that much about Montebourg, apart from his "Demondialisation" pamphlet, but you flesh him out as a serious political and intellectual candidate. Damm.
03:19 PM on 10/09/2011
and with the socialist in power, north african will take over . I hate socialist. keep sarkosy in power. The people Party bunch of lazy french 35hr week and they want an increase of pay with less working hours.
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:12 PM on 10/09/2011
pepe -- who paying "le piou" to spout this nonsense?
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Ezio
How can we win when fools can be kings?
02:07 PM on 10/09/2011
Hopefully the socialists win, that way they can reduce the work week from 35 hours to 30. Its only a matter of time before France falls even deeper into the backwaters of the world.
06:39 PM on 10/09/2011
A backwater country? The French are some of the happiest and most productive people on the planet. Rather than hate their public benefits, why not demand some of them right here in America? I really cannot understand this idea of not only disregarding what is in the interest of the American middle class, but actually hating it. Wouldn't we all be a lot happier and more productive if we had several weeks of paid vacation each year and free health care? I know I would be.
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:31 PM on 10/09/2011
Firecracker has no idea what a normal, sane, lifestyle is. The French do. Thank you, Airbare8.
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:16 PM on 10/09/2011
Ezio -- back in ancient times -- the "FlintStones" on teevee-- they used to tell us that if we worked harder we would get to a 30-hour work week. We believed them. They are now squeezing blood out of turnips with 50+ hour work week. Yeah, right. Reagan happened, and the workplace hasn't been the same since.
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Howard Scott Pearlman 59
12:59 PM on 10/09/2011
It is the PEOPLE's Party versus the Coporations Party !

Hopefully the People will win this time around !
11:52 AM on 10/09/2011
I like the way the French elections work. There are two main differences with the US system:

1) If nobody gets 51%, they have a run-off between the top two vote takers. This assures that the winner will have the majority of the votes. No more situations like Texas where Perry won with only 30-40% of the vote.

2) Paper ballots only are cast at neighborhood polling places. Volunteers from the neighborhood count the ballots manually. Any citizen can volunteer to count votes. Each pile is then re-counted by someone from another party. This absolutely ensures that each vote is counted correctly and it involves people in the process.
01:29 PM on 10/09/2011
They have a poll tax. That could never happen in US again.
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
05:45 PM on 10/09/2011
A poll tax? For these primaries, a contribution of 1 € towards voting expenses was required because they're not taxpayer-funded - and political parties don't (and can't) raise money the way they do in the US. But they're not technically elections. Real elections are publicly funded and there is no poll tax.
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:22 PM on 10/09/2011
MzSally -- another thing is that the campaigns are short, and all candidates get free air time on public television. There is no need for the insane need to "fund raise" that our representatives go through to pay for ads on TV.

Dylan Ratigan, of MSNBC, is spearheading a "Get Money Out of Politics" movement. A constitutional amendment that would GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS, the way the Europeans do it.

Get onboard at

www.getmoneyout.com
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HermaO
Conservatism is intellectual laziness.
04:51 AM on 10/10/2011
You can also mention that, if all our candidates get free air time, it is precisely timed so that TV channels can't give a party more air than to another.
12:45 PM on 10/10/2011
Hi Bernique, I am on board with Dylan's movement, thanks. I hope that it, or something like it, comes to pass soon.