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Herman Cain Touts 9-9-9 Plan At Republican Debate In New Hampshire

First Posted: 10/11/11 09:28 PM ET Updated: 12/11/11 05:12 AM ET

Straight out of the gate at Tuesday night's Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire, Herman Cain touted his 9-9-9 plan, as the first part of his economic strategy, which is "present a bold plan." His bold plan, however, is going to necessarily conflict with the second part of his economic strategy, which is "get serious about the national debt."

Bruce Bartlett, senior policy adviser to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, has what is perhaps the deepest and most substantive analysis of the 9-9-9 plan available. Here's the salient part, with regard to deficits:

Veterans of tax reform attempts in the United States know reform is very difficult and time-consuming even once. If the Fair Tax is a good idea, Mr. Cain ought to just do it, without confusing the issue with his unnecessary and highly complicated 9-9-9 plan. After all, one of the prime selling points of the Fair Tax is its simplicity, and the 9-9-9 plan is far from that.

Because so little detail exists, it’s hard to do either a proper revenue estimate or distributional analysis of the Cain plan. It’s obvious, however, that Phase 1 would represent a huge tax cut for the wealthy at a time when federal revenues are at a historical low as a share of the gross domestic product and the economy’s fundamental problem is a lack of aggregate demand.

Thus the Cain plan would increase the budget deficit without doing anything to stimulate demand, because rich people can already spend as much as they want and are unlikely to spend more even if their taxes are abolished.

The poor and the middle class might increase their spending if they could keep more of their earnings, but they will unquestionably pay more under Phase 2 of the Cain plan. With no tax on capital gains, the rich would pay almost nothing, while elimination of all deductions and credits, as well as imposition of a national sales tax, must necessarily raise taxes on everyone else, especially those not now paying income taxes.

At a minimum, the Cain plan is a distributional monstrosity. The poor would pay more while the rich would have their taxes cut, with no guarantee that economic growth will increase and good reason to believe that the budget deficit will increase.

Even allowing for the poorly thought through promises routinely made on the campaign trail, Mr. Cain’s tax plan stands out as exceptionally ill conceived.

Our own Zach Carter points out that Cain specifically referred to his 9-9-9 plan as "revenue neutral" on "Meet The Press" this past Sunday. "Now he's calling for reducing debt. But there's not enough discretionary spending in the budget to close the deficit, so he's implicitly calling for huge medicare cuts."

Cain sparred with fellow GOP candidate Mitt Romney over his economic plan during the debate Tuesday night. "It's a catchy phrase. I thought it was a pizza deal at first," Romney said ofCain's 9-9-9 plan.

"9-9-9 will pass. It's not the price of a pizza," Cain responded. "It didn't come off a pizza box. No. It was well researched."

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Straight out of the gate at Tuesday night's Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire, Herman Cain touted his 9-9-9 plan, as the first part of his economic strategy, which is "present a bold pla...
Straight out of the gate at Tuesday night's Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire, Herman Cain touted his 9-9-9 plan, as the first part of his economic strategy, which is "present a bold pla...
 
 
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ennis438
10:29 AM on 10/13/2011
The "999" plan is typical Republicant terrorism in motion against the poor and middle class. Why? Simple, my dear Watson. If three Americans, a billionaire, a middle class member (if there are any left), and a poor person go into Wal-Mart and buy a television costing $100, then they will all pay $9 in tax for this purchase. $9 to a billionaire is nothing, but it is substantial to a poor person. This is a perfect example of class warfare, brought on by Republicant Reagan and still going strong under this bunch of idiots running for the Republicant nomination in 2012. The rich have more, most gotten underhanded by dirty dealings, and they deserve to pay their share of this deficit. All this "trickle down" crap has done is caused recession after recession as less Americans are employed and now this liar Bush Jr depression is the final straw. It is about time the poor and middle class are represented again in DC and this class warfare proposed by GOP terrorists against these groups ends now.
11:13 AM on 10/13/2011
Your Wal-Mart example is wrong. When a rich person spends 100K on a car, the gov't will get $9000. When a poor person spends 10K on a new car the gov't will get $900. In a flat tax, the more you consume or the more expensive items you buy, the more you will pay your "fair share" as the libs/socialists/communists like to say...
Any tax plan will have flaws, including this one. The idea of a creating a simpler tax code is a winner.
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ennis438
02:10 PM on 10/13/2011
All you foxfreaks can fall in love with Cain or whoever else the anti-American people parade before the public, then lie to the citizens. My example is NOT wrong. But you have heard and practiced Bushrag lies very well.
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Pete Marriott
Record Producer/Air Personality/All American
01:25 AM on 10/13/2011
9-9-9 = 666 #SayNoToKochCain
Helloise
Healthy skeptic admires reason, trusts intuition
06:18 PM on 10/12/2011
999: all toppings with no dough.
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ralphnovy
06:07 PM on 10/12/2011
"Nein, nein, nein" as a policy?

And it's not nihilistic because ... ?
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don
We're going to need a bigger nutshell.
01:38 PM on 10/12/2011
The tax code is currently utilized to encourage certain policies and behavior. If there is a flat 9% tax, how will the oil companies be encouraged to drill without the oil depletion allowance?
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LisaViger
Vegan, Socialist, Atheist, Peace Monger
01:24 PM on 10/12/2011
This must be the "short"plan.
12:53 PM on 10/12/2011
I don't think even Hermann understands his 999 plan.
I'm almost with Bachmann on this one! Makes as much sense!
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Vic22
"I write to make it right, don't like what I see"
12:29 PM on 10/12/2011
"How will you reduce the conflict in congress?"

"9-9-9"

"What will you do about the wars in the Middle East?"

"9-9-9"

"There's a fire! What number do we call?"

"9-9-9"

If people think that this plan will do anything to fix our problems, I have an igloo to sell you in Florida
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AsISaid
09:28 AM on 10/12/2011
Watching Cain describe his 999 plan is making me chuckle.

The guy is clueless.

Let's get this straight.....adding a 9% sales tax to everything purchased, including food and medicine, will cause prices to go down as he claims? Demand for new consumer goods will go up, in spite of the increase in price due to the tax? Nonsense.

What happens to state and local sales taxes that fund their services? Some areas of the country pay 7-9% in state and local sales taxes already - we're going to add another 9% federal sales tax on top of that?

Local sales taxes often are approved by voters in their county or city - what will be the impact of those local levies if the feds usurp that tax source? Will local governments be denied this current and traditional source of revenue? How will that be replaced? Will local governments become MORE dependent on federal funds for things like police and fire protection? Where's the local control here?

A wealthy taxpayer now begins with a rate of 35% on their income, but the effective rate comes down to about 17% in most cases. Cain wants to drop that to 9%. Yet, a family at the poverty level that may pay little or no federal income tax will now pay 9% of their meager income? Add to that a sales tax on basics like food, and how are these people supposed to survive?

Cain's 999 is ridiculous.
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Blue Pup in PHX
Howdy from Hicksvillle
09:35 AM on 10/12/2011
Insane Clown Cain
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So silly
09:17 AM on 10/12/2011
If he actually believed in this plan he would have already put it on a pizza box.

Besides is Godfather really that popular of a pizza chain? I had never even heard of it before him.
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Skunkman
old & decrepit
08:50 AM on 10/12/2011
Yep the brilliant Tea Party voted for a DO NOTHING CONGRESS who only represents the top 1%.

This is clear by the FACT the all but 6 of the Republicans in Congress have pledged to allegiance to Grover Norquist, NOT to their constituents.

ALL but 6 Republicans swore and oath to Grover Norquist, instead of upholding our Constitution.

As for Mr. 999, that 9% sales tax will make those genius voters of New Hampshire jump for joy. :)

Mike
12:54 PM on 10/12/2011
which, actually, probably makes them eligible for removal from congress -- since I believe their Real Oath requires allegiance to the Constitution -- and allegiance to Grover is not the same thing
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George R Horn
NY Based Fashion Photographer
09:13 AM on 10/13/2011
Skunkman,
Congress has done nothing since Obama's election, even when they were the dominant party for the first two years. Congress has one goal, get themselves reelected, plain and simple. We have a terrible field to choose from, not happy with Obama either.
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Jacquie Hamilton
Love my Mollster
08:32 AM on 10/12/2011
Another GOP economic plan debunked.
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08:29 AM on 10/12/2011
What if financial transactions (i.e.: share, bond, etc. trading) were NOT exempt from the sales tax?

Just think of what a 9% SALES tax on such transactions would deliver to the government.

That would either kill the financial markets or give the government enough money to give everyone medical care and a pension.

A win either way.
08:13 AM on 10/12/2011
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/inside-the-cain-tax-plan/

Here is the view from someone from the Regan and Bush administration on cain's tax 'plan'. Seems he doesn't see much value in it. Finds it uncommonly unique.
apiazza
There is no such thing as a fiscal conservative.
08:05 AM on 10/12/2011
I don't think that he should allow anchovies into the 999 plan. Nobody REALLY likes those on their pizza.
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George R Horn
NY Based Fashion Photographer
09:14 AM on 10/13/2011
Apiazza,
Actually two or three is not bad, but now the whole pie.