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Mitt Romney Supports 'Partnership Agreements,' Not Marriage, For Gay Couples

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First Posted: 10/11/11 10:44 AM ET Updated: 12/11/11 05:12 AM ET

HOPKINTON, N.H. -- At his second town hall event during a swing through New Hampshire on Monday, Mitt Romney was peppered with questions about same-sex marriage and funding for AIDS research and prevention efforts. The topics aren't exactly typical of the Granite State, and as the former Massachusetts Governor was challenged, again and again, as to whether he would continue current funding levels or support marriage equality, it became all too clear that he wanted to move on to something else.

At one point, a student in the crowd chimed in to note that she was raised by her mother and grandmother and found the arrangement quite fine, even if it wasn't Romney's preferred setting for raising a child -- a two-parent household made up of a mother and a father.

"I can say look, there are a lot of folks who are raised by one parent, through divorce through death or through having a child out of wedlock," Romney replied. "But my view is a society recognizes that the ideal setting for raising a child is when you have the benefit of two people working together and where one is male and one is female. I happen to believe that and that's the reason that I think as a society we say, 'You know what? We are going to call marriage what it has been called for 6,000 years.'"

So why not support civil unions? "What I would support is letting people who are of the same gender form, if you will, partnership agreements," he replied. "If they want to have a partnership with someone else and have, as a result of that, such things as hospital visitation rights and similar benefits of that nature."

The distinction between "partnership agreements" and civil unions is vague, in part because they resemble one another, in some ways, on the surface. But there are legal differences -- and certainly rhetorical ones. When Romney was governor of Massachusetts he used terms like "partnership agreements" to appear as sympathetic and sensitive to gay couples, even as he pushed back against efforts to legalize civil unions in the state.

Much of the country may have grown more accepting of same-sex marriage since then, but many conservatives haven't. And as Romney kept beating back attempts to pin him down, there were audible groans from the audience at the Hopkinton Town Hall. After the event was over the Huffington Post talked to the student who had asked Romney about his definition of an ideal household.

"I was seething," Caitlynn Field said of Romney's answer. "I didn't want my disdain to be apparent on my face."

"His answer was a little odd because I grew up with two women as parents," she continued. "I didn't grow up with gay parents. But it was still two women."

Field is not from New Hampshire. She was bussed in, along with roughly 50 to 60 other students, from neighboring St. Michael's College in Vermont, where she is a freshman.

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HOPKINTON, N.H. -- At his second town hall event during a swing through New Hampshire on Monday, Mitt Romney was peppered with questions about same-sex marriage and funding for AIDS research and preve...
HOPKINTON, N.H. -- At his second town hall event during a swing through New Hampshire on Monday, Mitt Romney was peppered with questions about same-sex marriage and funding for AIDS research and preve...
 
 
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08:47 PM on 11/26/2011
These "separate but equal" legal relationships are going to backfire on these religionists and their homophobe allies. They are steadily creating a federal issue out of what would otherwise be a state issue. When states pulled this "separate but equal" crap with public education, it forced the national government to intervene, and make pronouncements that affected all 50 states. I don't think these anti-gays know what they're doing, which is a good thing for equal treatment for all citizens.
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chrysostomos
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11:10 AM on 10/17/2011
Conservative politicians who say they oppose gay marriage but "support" some other legal status for the LGBT community display a fundamental lack of understanding of the factions that they pander to with this political sophistry. The moment they say they support any form of LGBT legal recognition- no matter how unequal or Jim Crowish- they've already gone a bridge too far for evangelical social conservatives who rightly view this as a zero sum game. For the more extreme elements who would have homosexuality criminalized this makes Romney look like The Antichrist. Supporters of the LGBT community see Romney's stance for what it really is, a transparently cynical and crass attempt to triangulate political support. Let's at least be truthful about the issue. Either the LGBT community should be stripped of all legal rights to marry or those fundamental human rights should be affirmed and defended in their entirety. The struggle for human emancipation whether it be for racial or sexual minorities is always a zero sum game and the fight is not over until all of those rights have been affirmed. Bottom line the cool-aid that Romney's peddling is lukewarm slop and we should all just spit it out.
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
04:26 PM on 10/15/2011
"Same but equal" is not equal much less same, and has never worked and never will. It is oppression plain and simple. Every person deserves the same civil rights, no more but no less.
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nix28
Ignorance stirs my inner demon...Sorry.
07:30 PM on 10/13/2011
I support healthy relationships that foster healthy children. I don't care what genders are paired together. As long as everything is healthy and everybody is happy, that is all that matters.
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chrysostomos
Zizek built my hotrod,
11:46 AM on 10/17/2011
well said!
12:11 PM on 10/12/2011
I am always puzzled when "hospital visitation rights" is cited as one more reason to support civil unions or gay marriage. As an RN, I spent 26 years in a hospital, beginning in 1984. I do remember the "family members only" rule in the beginning. But that rule went away so long ago! We battled the opposite problem! EVERYONE.................including your neighbor's long lost ex-brother-in-law three times removed, were allowed to visit. ANYBODY could come at all hours of the day and night! I've had patients where I had to climb over all of the company sleeping on the floor to get to the patient!

Does this rule actually exist anymore, or is it used to generate support for this particular agenda? My experience would suggest "family members only" went away a long time ago!
10:47 AM on 10/28/2011
Actually you are incorrect. A ten second web search would have enlightened you; I suspect that knowledge of this was not your agenda.
03:32 PM on 10/28/2011
I am not incorrect because I have lived the "hospital life" for 26 years and I was conveying my experience which you cannot speak to. I did ask the question whether the visitation limitations still existed elsewhere, since they no longer exist where I am, so to "suspect that the knowledge of this was not (my) agenda" is absolutely false!
09:39 AM on 11/09/2011
read this : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/health/19well.html
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09:29 AM on 10/12/2011
Let's change the nouns around a little just for fun:

generic republican/conservative = evangelical
gay = mormon

Now let's imagine what Mr Romney's reaction would be if the evangelicals (who esteem him and mormonism in general so much) were to say that mormons, as non christians, shouldn't be able to get married. Let's say they spoke vociferously about the sanctity of *their* church marriages, passed laws against mormon marriage or campaigned on it. I wonder if he would be ok with "partnering" with his wife; you know, the old "just call it something different so we can still fell better than you" arrangement.

Makes for an interesting thought experiment I think.
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talkstocoyotes
09:08 AM on 10/12/2011
Awww, isn't that touching. Next thing you know, Mr. Mitty will propose that gays have their very own restrooms and water fountains.
07:16 PM on 10/14/2011
Homosexuals isn't a race its merely something somebody does in their sex life.
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talkstocoyotes
03:54 PM on 10/15/2011
Homophobia in the context of any race depends very heavily on that belief -- that being gay isn't a fundamental part of what a person is; it's just a matter of scratching a sexual itch in a certain way, sometimes phrased as something that "somebody does in their sex life". Fracturing a human psyche can be just as effective as outright brainwashing.

Dismissing homophobia on the basis of homosexuality not being a race is basically competing in some imaginary oppression Olympics. If you go there, you might find African-Americans don't fare too well -- it would be very easy in that context for Jews, native Americans and members of quite a few ethnic and tribal minorities around the world to call you short-timers who wouldn't get even within shouting distance of the bronze medal.

I assume from your post that you'd be quite comfortable with gays using separate water fountains or restrooms? Or do you just think they should stay invisible?
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aviandonn
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10:36 AM on 10/17/2011
Another civil rights and equality traitor.
07:29 AM on 10/12/2011
Romney already changed and came out for "equal protection under the law" for our youngest and most vulnerable brothers and sisters. Now he needs to do likewise and apply that principle to our brothers and sisters with a same-sex orientation.

Equality for ALL - no matter what their sexuality, age, race, or size!
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
03:48 PM on 10/13/2011
or gender
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talkstocoyotes
03:57 PM on 10/15/2011
That would be vital. I don't know what the person you're replying to meant by Romney being an advocate "for our youngest and most vulnerable brothers and sisters"; but that can be, and often is, a dog-whistle for forcing women to continue with unintended pregnancies no matter what the circumstances.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
07:14 AM on 10/12/2011
this "One man one woman for over 6,00 years" crap cracks me up. BULL. Less then 1,000 years it ago it was one man and many women. In some countries in the middle eat, it is still one man and many women.. Stop this lie about on man one woman. It is so easy to disprove..
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chrysostomos
Zizek built my hotrod,
10:35 AM on 10/17/2011
I agree with you! Unfortunately in our bizarro media world. The more bald face the lie the easier it is to gain traction. It really does boggle the mind.
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aviandonn
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10:42 AM on 10/17/2011
What else can you expect from a political party that considers k-12 education as 'liberal indoctrination', knowledge as 'ivory tower nonsense', and college graduates as elitist snobs? When your party's candidates begin to pretend that they are 8th grade dropouts in order to get your vote, and voters consider a lack of education admirable, well, you'll get this kind of idiocy.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
07:09 AM on 10/12/2011
Partnership agreements are not equal rights. We, who support the GLBT movement will not stop till equal rights are giving to our kids and friends.
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eskatyt
Amicus omnibus, amicus nemini.
04:09 AM on 10/12/2011
It's beyond me how anyone could ever vote Republican.

They preach about Christianity and the Constitution, yet are constantly trying to deny certain Americans the compassion and protections guaranteed by both.

Hypocrisy is not one of the de adly sins. But it should be.
01:12 PM on 10/12/2011
It's not hyprocrisy. Being Christian is about living according to God's laws and the teachings of Jesus Christ! Compassion within those teachings is absolutely what defines being Christian. But you are suggesting that when, as Christians, we stand by those teachings, (which put us in opposition to gay marriage, abortion, adultery etc.,) that we are not showing compassion. You don't understand what it means to stand by faith under the critism of those who don't agree with us! That's what faith is..................it is not caving to whatever society decides is right. There has been so much sin committed under the umbrella of compassion! We are very compassionate people aligned with the teachings of Jesus!
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eskatyt
Amicus omnibus, amicus nemini.
09:34 PM on 10/12/2011
True Christianity (ie following the teachings of Jesus Christ without interpretation by some conservative preachergogue) does not "put [you] in opposition to gay marriage, abortion, adultery, etc." True Christianity is about compassion and acceptance of those who are different and/or suffering.

Furthermore, you simply cannot put homosexuality and adultery in the same category. Adultery is a choice to be unfaithful to someone to whom you have pledged fidelity. People are born homosexual, and they are no more inclined to harm those they love than heterosexual people. If you do not know this, then nothing you say on the topic can ever be taken seriously.

Nowhere. Nowhere. Does Jesus state that you should deprive gay people of human rights--such as the right to form a family with those they love via marriage, adoption etc. And I defy you to find a single passage in the New Testament where Jesus HIMSELF states that homosexuality itself is a sin. Go on. I triple dog dare you.

You never will, because it doesn't exist.

In the information age, ignorance is the greatest sin of all.
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giftsthatpurr
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03:51 PM on 10/13/2011
You have decided that exclusion was a Christ teaching. I disagree. Jesus included everyone. Sin is not created by compassion. Sin is created by -in this instance - the need to be right which is pride.
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RLaitres
No wise person will claim to be wise.
09:32 PM on 10/11/2011
Even if I had not been decided NOT to vote for Romney, this would have clinched my decision. The guy just doesn't get it does he? It is simple. His life is his life, mine is mine, Joe's is his Jane is hers, and to do as they will with it. And individuals such as Romney are quite willing to sacrifice them to their own personal political (materialistic) ambitions. It would seem that such is simple enough for even the simplest and half-way educated individual would be able to comprehend. So, as yourself, what don't they?
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starrigavan
08:30 PM on 10/11/2011
This is what happens when empty suits like Romney start thinking corporations are people. Mitt, Mitt, Mitt, corporations form partnerships, couples in love get married.
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mmcgrew
08:35 PM on 10/11/2011
I don't think corporations are people and I don't think Mitt is my friend..........
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08:21 PM on 10/11/2011
All "marriages" in the united states are cival unions. The actual church blessing is just a dog and pony show. Without cival paperwork,no church marriage is legal. In europe everyone is already civally married prior to the church blessing.
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Ioan Lightoller
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10:02 PM on 10/11/2011
F/F Very true.
05:35 PM on 10/13/2011
Marriage is actually what gives you full rights. "Civil partnerships" is just another way to make sure that glbt people are 2nd class citizens. People like Mitt Romney just want to be king and make himself feel better than everyone else.
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07:25 PM on 10/11/2011
NOT ONE LGBT or our straight allies will EVER vote for Romney. He screwed the pooch with us worse than Santorum.
08:59 PM on 10/11/2011
I am not gay or anything close, but this is so offensive to me. It is a wedge issue that is used to create fear. Life is tough enough for us all to deny anyone any kind of happiness.
Romney has no character. He is so disingenous. He is so uncomfortable in his own skin. It is aborrant to me to think someone of such an undeveloped self would want to inflict something he doen't even believe in on this great country.
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RLaitres
No wise person will claim to be wise.
09:35 PM on 10/11/2011
Oh, no! Poor "pooch", how cruel. Someone should arrest Romney for cruelty to animals. And Santorum thought that this would happen, but by one of his fellow Republicans?
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mmcgrew
03:16 AM on 10/12/2011
FUGK.......I was wrong......Man on dog love IS a problem............NOW it becomes spousal abuse.........

THAT'S what gay marriage gets you.......

DARN..was there Santorum in evidence? We need to call the police AND the ASPCA.