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CA Gay History Law Repeal Fails

California Gay History Law

DON THOMPSON   10/12/11 09:18 PM ET   AP

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Opponents of a California law requiring that the contributions of gays and lesbians be taught in public schools failed Wednesday in their attempt to qualify a ballot referendum to repeal the law.

The groups wanted to force a vote on Senate Bill 48, the nation's first law requiring that public schools include gay rights milestones and gay and lesbian contributions in social studies lessons. It takes effect in January.

Groups that had been circulating signature petitions said they would not meet Wednesday's deadline.

Brad Dacus, a spokesman for the Pacific Justice Institute, said his organization and other opponents collected about two-thirds of the 505,000 petition signatures they needed.

Traditional Values Coalition spokesman Benjamin Lopez earlier said the groups had decided not to file regardless of whether they reached the threshold.

Equality California spokeswoman Rebekah Orr, who represents California's largest gay rights group, said supporters are relieved but expect a continued fight in the courts, Legislature, at the ballot box or in local school districts that must implement the law.

Dacus said opponents will now try to make the law an issue in next year's re-election campaigns by Democrats who supported the measure.

He said opponents also are considering seeking enough signatures for a broader ballot proposition that would target laws they feel infringe on parental rights to govern what their children learn in school. However, opponents would have to work around California's single-subject rule, meaning initiatives can address only one issue at a time.

He would not say which other laws might be included.

"Legislators in Sacramento have been put on notice if they pass something that is disrespectful to parents and the way parents want their children to be raised, they can and will, in one way or another, be held accountable," Dacus said in a telephone interview.

He said the groundswell of dissatisfaction was evident because his organization and the Capitol Resource Institute were able to gather thousands of signatures in just 90 days without time to raise the money needed to hire professional signature-gatherers.

Orr, of Equality California, predicted opponents' fight will become more difficult once the law takes effect.

"They've used a lot of scare tactics and made a lot of statements that aren't true," she said. "All of these sorts of wild claims will not materialize in the classroom and California voters will realize this is really much ado about nothing."

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01:46 AM on 10/20/2011
I was there on Youth Lobby Day when The Northern California Gay Straight Alliances came into Mark Lenos office and pitched what became SB48 95% of the wording was their doing! It was my proudest day to see them say That they wanted not only LGBT but religious Figures Titles to be included!
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KevinVT
Prof. of Russian & GL Studies in VT
10:56 AM on 10/17/2011
People: read some gay history.

It is not about just naming gay people in history or outing people or speculating about their sexuality.

You can talk about laws and movements. You can talk about burning gay people at the stake alongside witches. You can talk about how the gay rights movement followed and patterned itself on the feminist movement and the civil rights movement. You can talk about marriage. You can talk about Don't ask don't tell.

Somehow people think it's just about who you have sex with, but it isn't.
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Dish Soap
The natural laws are impartial and unbreakable.
05:14 AM on 10/17/2011
Interesting, this will bring a lot of repercussions, I see it coming.
12:53 PM on 10/15/2011
The headline is very misleading. The repeal effort isn't over. As the body of the article admits, "said supporters are relieved but expect a continued fight in the courts, Legislature, at the ballot box or in local school districts that must implement the law."

It is an incredibly bad law, so the fight will continue.
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Atwill
Proud Father of a gay son.
10:38 AM on 10/15/2011
Of course it failed. hate always will lose. DADT is dead. DOMA is next.
12:15 PM on 10/15/2011
It's being nostalgically novel to believe that "hate always will lose". In addition to all the other statistical murders in the US, twenty four souls died at the hands of four separate murderers from Monday thru Thursday of this week alone. All twenty four knew their killer intimately.
Four little children (fortunate enough to make the headlines) have come up missing from their loved ones in the past eight days. Bullying is not on the decrease, nor has racial hate crimes fallen off.
Evil, in the form of hate is not just increasing in our society but exploding onto the world scene. And the manner of hate in all its forms is becoming ever more heinous in nature seemingly day by day.

The win, lose or draw of DADT or DOMA is in no way associated with the increase or decrease of hate in the world, but is indicative of a restless society ever more tolerant of new or different pursuits that are food for the flesh.
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Atwill
Proud Father of a gay son.
10:24 PM on 10/15/2011
I agree to a certian point and see your point. but i feel, in these kinds of matters, hate will always lose, example, inter racial marriage, womens rights, black rights. but i see the point you are making.
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falconsso
Your mind is your primary weapon
08:43 PM on 10/14/2011
This only happens in California.
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taoistpunk
because the monks wouldn't have me..
08:50 AM on 10/15/2011
almost right. it begins in Cali. then everybody else wants it too...
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jbarelli
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06:55 PM on 10/14/2011
They couldn't find half a million people in California that would sign their name to a petition demanding that schools be allowed to ignore how the gay rights movement has changed our country and how gay people have contributed throughout history.

Good.

I do share the concern of some posters that in some cases, the sexual orientation of a particular individual may be mostly conjecture, and in other cases, sexual orientation may not matter one way or another.

But there are certainly well-documented individuals and events where sexual orientation is a major factor. (Hard to discuss Harvey Milk, for example, without mentioning his being gay.) Leonardo DaVinci was almost certainly homosexual, and it would seem an appropriate discussion topic when studying his life and art.

Others aren't so clear, and there really is no clear connection between sexuality and events. For example, I've read that it was "proved" that George Washington was gay, but the evidence is thin, and there really isn't much of a connection between his sexuality and his accomplishments.

Overall, any time you humanize a group of people who are routinely demonized, it's a good thing, and that seems to be the intent here, along with recognizing legitimate parts of our history.

Only someone intent on demonizing a particular group could really object.

"There are people in the world that do not love their fellow human beings and I hate people like that!" - Tom Lehrer
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Garspies
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
09:46 AM on 10/15/2011
Outstanding post topped off with a Tom Lehrer quote.
Fanned for insight and coherence.
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Chatt
Proud Mother of a US Marine
06:28 PM on 10/14/2011
How can you ignore this? This is and will always be a part of history...to deny it exists breeds ignorance.
12:21 PM on 10/15/2011
One would have to be ignorant to deny the existence of homosexuality both past and present. And it requires equal amounts of ignorance to deny the staggering negative impact that homosexuality exacts from a societal and personal standpoint.
12:54 PM on 10/15/2011
But the latter form of ignorance is much more politically acceptable in California today.
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alteredstory
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01:31 PM on 10/16/2011
Except that the "negative" impacts are all in relation to people's religious views, whereas the positive impacts include things like, for example, Alan Turing's work that helped us win WW2.
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aviandonn
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01:45 PM on 10/14/2011
People criticizing the inclusion of gay history in courses almost always use a specific person/example to ask 'why does it matter?' It assumes that a historical figure's non-heterosexual orientation will just be gratuitously mentioned.

When you learned about, say, DaVinci , did you ever wonder what factors in his life drove him to such greatness? The world's full of talented and gifted people who never accomplish much. If history's just a study of 'what happened', "why does it matter" makes sense. But if curiosity leads you to ask WHY it happened, you can't answer that question with just statements of accomplishment. Just knowing that DaVinci was a gifted artist scores on multiple choice tests, but it gets you an "F" on an essay that asks why?

We know homosexuals are over represented artists/writers and philosophers whose works have withstood the test of time are . Why is that?

Read the gay-bashers here. They reduce homosexuals down to walking genitals, child molesters, and most importantly, threats to society and culture. They get away with that because history is silent about gays. But how will they argue that DaVinci was a detriment to Renaissance culture when in fact he is its most famous representative? How will they argue that gay soldiers are feather boa wearing faeries who will turn tail and run when the bullets start flying, when confronted with the military accomplishments of Alexander the Great and Achilles? Countering lies is never a gratuitous activity
10:02 PM on 10/14/2011
Achilles was the son of the nymph Thetis and Peleus, the king of the Myrmidons. Zeus and Poseidon had been rivals for the hand of Thetis until Prometheus, the fore-thinker, warned Zeus of a prophecy that Thetis would bear a son greater than his father. For this reason, the two gods withdrew their pursuit, and had her wed Peleus.
12:56 PM on 10/15/2011
If you are trying to make the point that Achilles was not homosexual, you are right, but you chose an awfully roundabout way to do it.

But thanks for countering that lie.
12:48 PM on 10/15/2011
The intuitive person simply responds by asking "who cares what DaVinci did in his bedroom?" Not one teacher from my schooling years ever found it necessary to discuss the sexual tirst of any prominent figure of history. The lgbt community seems to think the whole world wants to know, hear and see their flaunts.
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Jason N
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01:38 PM on 10/17/2011
""who cares what DaVinci did in his bedroom?""

Way to prove the posters point by doing exactly what they said bigots like you do. "Read the gay-basher­s here. They reduce homosexual­s down to walking genitals"

Thanks for playing the make it obvious why this law is needed game.

" Not one teacher from my schooling years ever found it necessary to discuss the sexual tirst of any prominent figure of history."

My 10th grade history teacher loved to talk about Ben Franklin's "dalliances"
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MisterCee
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09:00 AM on 10/14/2011
My only question (problem) with this measure is will it address people who were openly gay? Or will it out famous people who were assumed to be gay, or who other people assumed were gay, but never actually said they were? Because I don't agree with that, if someone never stated their sexual orientation then why should we do it when they've passed away?
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taoistpunk
because the monks wouldn't have me..
09:01 AM on 10/15/2011
i disagree with "outing" people who are alive and could be hurt in any way by such a betrayal of their privacy.
but long dead historical figures are something different.

so, a quick question, do you feel the same way about race or religion? if a light skinned man during the slavery era preferred not to talk about his african ancestors, or a jew during hilters germany preferred not to discuss his religion would you think that a privacy issue or consider it a reflection of the time and situation?
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alteredstory
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01:37 PM on 10/16/2011
My understanding is that the intent is to include people who are known to be gay, or who were persecuted for homosexuality.

I'm sure there will be some teachers who will hypothesize about the orientation of some historical figures, but I'm pretty sure that's not what they're going for here. The law's intent is to prevent the contribution of gays to society from being ignored or swept under the rug.
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MisterCee
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05:32 PM on 10/16/2011
If this includes people who are already known to be gay, or who were persecuted then I have no problem with this. I think it might actually open a few people's eyes.
08:22 AM on 10/14/2011
Gays and lesbians have been contributing to our lives since time immemorial, whether we knew it or not. Hiding that simple fact, excluding citizens from texts, refusing to give credit where it’s due won’t change the facts. It only makes us look foolish, unthinking and bigoted. In global terms, with our reluctance to accept gay rights, regurgitated conversations about abortion and quaint marijuana laws, we’re determined to be an example of the past, instead of a nation heading for the future. Gay rights now. This is getting embarrassing!
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Garspies
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
12:58 AM on 10/14/2011
I love this law. It's high-time high school kids get to learn J Edgar Hoover's deepest secrets.
12:14 AM on 10/15/2011
Should firsts be told too?
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Jeremy Perron
12:00 AM on 10/14/2011
My only issue with this is, generally speaking, legislators make very crappy historians, right wing or left wing.
08:43 AM on 10/14/2011
History is in the eyes of the beholder.
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
06:24 PM on 10/14/2011
And in the pen of the victor
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lizsobelcolumbus
07:58 PM on 10/14/2011
history is in the eye of those who actually study history
12:15 AM on 10/15/2011
Thank you. This is what it really comes down to. In the end, everyone will be unhappy.
04:33 PM on 10/13/2011
What is interesting is that part of the evolution of Equality is that those so accustomed in Controlling the "message" have discovered that there are too many messengers to shoot them all. People are beginning to comprehend that LGBT have selflessly contributed to this Nations greatness and will continue to do so. Giving credit where credit is due is the American Way. That LGBT people have had careers outside the Entertainment & Fashion Industry and have prospered despite some people's obsession, is a lesson we all need to learn.

It takes much Courage to be who you are in a reality set up to attempt to make you fail. A lesson in Perseverance has always had life asserting value.
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Matthew Breslin
This is not rocket science.
04:10 PM on 10/13/2011
Oh dear oh dear. Now we'll have our kids being taught that gays and lesbians are human beings, who contribute to society, and deserve our respect. I can see the damage this could cause...
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dannywanny
08:33 PM on 10/13/2011
There goes the neighborhood!